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Old 10-07-17, 03:00 PM   #1
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Route from Dallas to Ft. Worth

Newbie here...

I'm sure this has been asked and kindly redirect me if so, but...If not:

I'm looking for the safest road route from North Dallas to Downtown Fort Worth....and back.

Looks as if its 100 miles round trip, but looking for best and safest routes.

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They've been planning and working toward a path for 30 years, and in another 20 or so it should be complete. If you want to ride before that, you'll have to ride the streets. There are actually a fair number of nice, quiet residential streets, but unfortunately chopped up by freeways, creeks and rail lines which are only crossed by thoroughfares.

Here's my route, quite pleasant on a Saturday or Sunday morning, but not so much at weekday rush hour.
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You mentioned 'safe' multiple times. Is a path safer than the road? Is a path still a 'road route' to you?

Anyway, I thought this route that maximizes riding on paths:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/26180891

would be a lot longer, but relative to the all street route above it's not too bad, really. There's a half mile @ the 9 mile point on the streets, miles 13-17, 25-33 and 38-44 are on the streets, but otherwise it's on a series of paths. Uh, some of the streets are multi-lane thoroughfares sans shoulders and with 40mph+ speed limits.

In another month or six the 'signature' path bridge over Mockingbird Ave. (ten years in the making!) will be complete. About four miles could be cut by going straight into DT Fort Worth on 3rd.

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After eleven and a half years Dallas has finally been able to create a bike/pedestrian bridge over Mockingbird Lane connecting the Katy and Ridgewood Trails. The bridge - sort of a Lefty cable stay design - opened this afternoon (11/02/17). I've fixed the route map to pass over the bridge rather than take to the side streets & cross Mockingbird Lane at the nearby signaled intersection.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/26180891/


PS - Got some spare change? The new bridge's naming rights are for sale!

PPS - The bridge is impressive and will be an icon for decades to come. Gotta wonder, though, how many pre-fab, out-of-a-catalog path bridges could have been purchased for the same trouble and expense and emplaced for connectivity improvements all over town?

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I also sketched out an alternate Grand Prairie-Arlington-Fort Worth route. Less of the milage is on multilane thoroughfares - and paths - and more is on secondary streets.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/26442469
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Newbie here...

I'm sure this has been asked and kindly redirect me if so, but...If not:

I'm looking for the safest road route from North Dallas to Downtown Fort Worth....and back.

Looks as if its 100 miles round trip, but looking for best and safest routes.

Thanks
You mentioned North Dallas, but you didn't say exactly where. That leaves a lot of guessing, are you up near Richardson, Carrollton? Closer to Downtown, like the Park Cities?

Giving us a little more to go on would make it easier for us to help you out. Ultimately, the most safe routes are probably going to be using some of the trail systems such as Cottonbelt from Grapevine to NRH, or River Legacy through Arlington, but it really all depends on your comfort level on road and where you're coming from.
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Thanks for the replies! Very Helpful! I would be starting at LBJ and Hilcrest.
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...starting at LBJ and Hilcrest.
White Rock Creek Trail down to the start of either of the routes I sketched.

Adding that newly defined starting point to the second route I offered, and taking the alternate for the Grand Prairie to d/t Fort Worth section, I get ~62 miles: ~5 miles on multi lane thoroughfares, ~20 miles on secondary/residential streets and the rest on paths or bike lanes.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/26180891

For comparison, it's ~33 miles from d/t Dallas to d/t Fort Worth via Highway 180 (Fort Worth Ave-Davis-Main-Division-Calhoun-Lancaster), all higher speed multi-lane thoroughfare with occasional miserably paved shoulder.

One could take DART Redline from Forest Lane to Union Station and the TRE* to d/t Fort Worth. Both transit systems haul bikes. Yeah, that's not really a bike ride, but once you arrive in Panther City there'd be some very nice urban riding to be had.

*but not on Sundays.

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Last weekend I was scouting a way to get to WRL from the Mid-Cities and found that Santa Fe trail to/from downtown, and Irving Blvd from Downtown to Irving works really well. Nobody on Irving Blvd on the weekends and even during the day, it's 40-45mph and 2-3 lanes most of the way.

From there you can take the trail through Mountain Creek Preserve over to MacArthur. Lots of options from there. Maybe Hunter Ferrell Rd/Hard Rock and work your way over to Trinity Blvd. I've taken Trinity all the way out to 820 a few times and it's not bad. Another option would be to cut up to the trails that go through River Legacy Park in Arlington.

I know a few of the Team Bikes Inc guys that regularly go between the mid-cities and downtown, so I think once you get into the Grapevine, HEB, Irving area, you should be able to find something if you haven't already.
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After eleven and a half years Dallas has finally been able to create a bike/pedestrian bridge over Mockingbird Lane connecting the Katy and Ridgewood Trails.
?

Granted, it's been a few years since I rode either, but IIRC, the problem was that the Katy just dumps into a vacant chunk of land west of Central, and the Ridgewood disappears east of Central with no way to cross the giant freeway for either of them. Did they finally solve that bit?
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?

Granted, it's been a few years since I rode either, but IIRC, the problem was that the Katy just dumps into a vacant chunk of land west of Central, and the Ridgewood disappears east of Central with no way to cross the giant freeway for either of them. Did they finally solve that bit?
It dumps out by University Park. I always rode through SMU and cut across on University. I think they may have improved the crossing at Mockingbird to make it more pedestrian/Bike friendly.

That being said, I rode Katy Trail back to downtown from the far end a few weeks ago and it was one of my worst on bike experiences that didnít involve actual roads. Way to congested to safely navigate at over 10-12 mph. Honestly, Iíd rather deal with traffic.
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It dumps out by University Park. I always rode through SMU and cut across on University. I think they may have improved the crossing at Mockingbird to make it more pedestrian/Bike friendly.

That being said, I rode Katy Trail back to downtown from the far end a few weeks ago and it was one of my worst on bike experiences that didnít involve actual roads. Way to congested to safely navigate at over 10-12 mph. Honestly, Iíd rather deal with traffic.
Yes, there is now a Mockingbird commuter/cyclist bridge. Is the far end past West End Dallas
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?

Granted, it's been a few years since I rode either, but IIRC, the problem was that the Katy just dumps into a vacant chunk of land west of Central, and the Ridgewood disappears east of Central with no way to cross the giant freeway for either of them. Did they finally solve that bit?
No. The bridge story is fake news and I just drew some bogus lines on the map I linked to in an attempt to lure unwitting Stephenville cyclists into Dallas' heaviest infestation of zombies.

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No. The bridge story is fake news and I just drew some bogus lines on the map I linked to in an attempt to lure unwitting Stephenville cyclists into Dallas' heaviest infestation of zombies.
That's what I figured; after all, most "cycling infrastructure improvement" stories seem to be either completely fake or might as well be for all the good the "improvements" actually do.
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That being said, I rode Katy Trail back to downtown from the far end a few weeks ago and it was one of my worst on bike experiences that didn’t involve actual roads. Way too congested to safely navigate at over 10-12 mph. Honestly, I’d rather deal with traffic.
Ah, the Katy. For a good bit of its 3.5 mile length, it is two tracks, one pedestrians only and one open to all users. My experience is 80~85% of the pedestrians/runners choose to mix it up with the cyclists on the 'everybody' track - dunno why.

Then there's the at-grade trail crossing of Knox Street. I've sat and watched cyclists & pedestrians on the trail interact with motor vehicle drivers on the street at the crossing, and it's fascinating. There are straightforward, rational traffic control signs and rules, but almost no one pays any attention to what they're supposed to do. The 'critical mess' seems to work out after a fashion, buy why a person doesn't get squished every few days is beyond me.

The map I drew, described in words: Riding northbound you peel off the Katy Trail onto the dead end appendix of McKinney Ave., ride 100 meters south to McCommas where the 'path' starts again (a super wide sidewalk on the north side of the street). Past Steinway Hall you get to Central Expressway - well, the access/feeder/frontage road. There's a conveniently placed button to push to get a walk light - which was out of order when I was there recently. Crossing the access/feeder/frontage road, watch out for the acute angle expansion joint that's wider than a 28mm bike tire, and cross the freeway on the super wide sidewalk a.k.a. path and then the other access/feeder/frontage road. The super wide sidewalk continues down the side of the access/feeder/frontage road - watch for turning cars & alley traffic - to Glencoe Park and the ramp for the new Mockingbird bridge. Past the light rail station the path either goes straight into the upper Greenville district or takes a right turn over the light rail line and heads to White Rock Lake on the Ridgewood, SoPac and Flag Pole Hill Trails.

So one can now ride from American Airlines Center (the basketball arena) downtown all the way to White Rock Lake, up into Richardson or back down almost to Fair Park without riding on the street - but it's not brainless. The rider still has to have their wits about them and is still subject to the laws of right of way and physics.

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So one can now ride from American Airlines Center (the basketball arena) downtown all the way to White Rock Lake, up into Richardson or back down almost to Fair Park without riding on the street - but it's not brainless. The rider still has to have their wits about them and is still subject to the laws of right of way and physics.
If you can comfortably get to the far east side of Deep Ellum... Santa Fe Trail is a much better way to get to WRL from my experience. Bit shorter, and far less pedestrian traffic to dodge when I tried it. Personally, I don't have a problem riding on the road through most parts of Deep Ellum, Downtown, Uptown or Victory Park as I did a good stint of commuting through those areas in the past.
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If you can comfortably get to the far east side of Deep Ellum... Santa Fe Trail is a much better way to get to WRL from my experience. Bit shorter, and far less pedestrian traffic to dodge when I tried it.
In the context of the OP's request (North Dallas to Fort Worth), it would be a couple of miles longer and involve a transit of DT Dallas.

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And as you and I have both already pointed out, there are numerous six lane thoroughfares between Dallas and Fort Worth, if a rider is down with that. Hillcrest - Royal - Love/West Walnut Hill - Airfield - Mid Cities Blvd - Main - Euless Blvd/Hurst Blvd - Precinct Line - Randol Mill/4th/1st, 43 miles, Effective Cycling, take the lane.

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