Trying to help new MS150 Riders

Old 11-06-08, 03:33 PM
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Trying to help new MS150 Riders

Ok, I am sure some of you get the same questions from people that are signed up for the MS150.

What do y'all suggest to people who don't have a bike? Road bikes are expensive, and it is quite a bit for someone that does not know anything to go drop $1000 for a bike and few necessary components.

So far I have been having people go to competitivecyclist.com and use the fit calculator so I know the size bike they need, and I try to watch craigslist for them. They would not know enough of components to know any sort of value for items.

What do you suggest if they are going to buy one at a store, any recommendations on what bike they should get, when there is a chance they will ride the MS and stay off it again until the next year?

I guess I just have a hard time paying that much to try something out, and all my bikes have been built up with used frames and some new components. Of course, it is harder to find used womens bikes as regularly, so that is making some of the search more difficult.
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Old 11-06-08, 03:53 PM
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Go an entire year without riding and then ride MS150? I would advise such a person to find another hobby, because that would be three days of intense suffering!
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Old 11-06-08, 04:04 PM
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I think you have a pretty good strategy so far.

I'd tell them any bike they buy at a bike shop is going to be good quality. The cheapest bike there is going to be better than a Wallyworld special, or some random garage sale find they get on their own.

Make sure they stay away from mtb's, but a hybrid with no shocks and skinny slicks would work.
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Old 11-06-08, 04:08 PM
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Hey another idea - sounds like you have a bunch of noobs on the team - planning some "skills" clinics, and some training rides?
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Old 11-09-08, 10:36 AM
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I think that you should get them on a bicycle no later than the first of the year. There are several road bikes for less than $1,000 out there. This support is a little on the expensive side, but its worth it.

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Old 11-09-08, 07:18 PM
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If you want to get new bikes, I suggest looking at the bikes from bikenashbar from ironhorse. They are a good value. Also you can find decent value bikes at performance bike. My first bike is an ironhorse that is an aluminum/carbon combo. This is a good time of the year to find a bike on craigslist as well. Just a search yeilds this bike: http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...20Road%20Bikes

If you buy a used bike, find someone from your circle that knows bikes to evaluate them with you.
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Old 11-23-08, 11:35 AM
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If they are training in a spin class or something and don't have a bike of their own, couldn't they rent a bike? Better than that drop a load of money on a bike under pressure.

Shifting gears just a tad... I'm a commuter, just started this past spring. I ride about 25 miles per day 4-5 days per week to work and back. I'm happy to ride all day--but I ride very slow. Oh, I do ok on the flat bits, but the hills really slow me down. I would really like to do the MS150 next year but the longest I've been on a bike in a day was the Tour de Cure for 65 miles (took me about 5 hours).

So my questions are ... do you have any special recommendations or warnings about ths MS150? I've heard it's around Eagle Mountain Lake, and having grown up in Azle, I know that area to be hilly for Texas.

I'm quite nervous about 150 miles in two days, so any suggestions/advice you have would be helpful. Thanks in advance!
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Old 11-23-08, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kylejack View Post
Go an entire year without riding and then ride MS150? I would advise such a person to find another hobby, because that would be three days of intense suffering!
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Old 11-23-08, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Fantasminha View Post

So my questions are ... do you have any special recommendations or warnings about ths MS150? I've heard it's around Eagle Mountain Lake, and having grown up in Azle, I know that area to be hilly for Texas.

I'm quite nervous about 150 miles in two days, so any suggestions/advice you have would be helpful. Thanks in advance!
If you want to pick up your average speed I'd suggest some interval training. Go to http://www.active.com/story.cfm?CHEC...&STORY_ID=8619

2 weeks of IT will make a noticeable difference in your overall strength over longer distances. Spin classes can be a good training exercise to compliment any hills that you want to do.

Don't worry about going slow. Out of 10,000+ riders, there will be a lot of people who are slower than you are. Also, keep in mind the MS150 is not a race (at least not for me and you anyway ) You will see plenty of riders who don't even finish. You will see riders pulling their kids. If you have the mentality to finish and have fun...it will be just that...FUN
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Old 11-23-08, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Fantasminha View Post
If they are training in a spin class or something and don't have a bike of their own, couldn't they rent a bike? Better than that drop a load of money on a bike under pressure.

Shifting gears just a tad... I'm a commuter, just started this past spring. I ride about 25 miles per day 4-5 days per week to work and back. I'm happy to ride all day--but I ride very slow. Oh, I do ok on the flat bits, but the hills really slow me down. I would really like to do the MS150 next year but the longest I've been on a bike in a day was the Tour de Cure for 65 miles (took me about 5 hours).

So my questions are ... do you have any special recommendations or warnings about ths MS150? I've heard it's around Eagle Mountain Lake, and having grown up in Azle, I know that area to be hilly for Texas.

I'm quite nervous about 150 miles in two days, so any suggestions/advice you have would be helpful. Thanks in advance!
You're ahead of 70% of the others that will be out there (probably even more). Not many people get in 100 miles a week. That's 5000 miles a year. If you search around, you will find some polls and see that 5000+ is wayyy up there (not all of us can be 10Wheels )

Get in a few weeks with a 65er on Sat and a 30 on Sun and you will be ready to finish. You may experience some pain, but you'll finish. There are plenty of stops too. In fact, on day 2 it seems like there's a rest area every 10 miles. My 1 warning would be to not forget that the 2nd half of the ride, riding the hills into Austin, is the hardest part. Don't be dead with 30 miles to go on day 2.

Have fun and enjoy it.
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Originally Posted by dr. nate View Post
I think that you should get them on a bicycle no later than the first of the year. There are several road bikes for less than $1,000 out there. This support is a little on the expensive side, but its worth it.

-Nate
Based on my experience if they are brand new to the sport they are already too late to start. They should plan a year out, ride a year's worth of mass start events including all the MS150 training rides, and get some good ride skills FIRST! It's the noobs that just jump on the bike on a whim that have really ruined the MS150. I won't ride it again just because of the lack of ride discipline..
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Originally Posted by Sirrus Rider View Post
Based on my experience if they are brand new to the sport they are already too late to start. They should plan a year out, ride a year's worth of mass start events including all the MS150 training rides, and get some good ride skills FIRST! It's the noobs that just jump on the bike on a whim that have really ruined the MS150. I won't ride it again just because of the lack of ride discipline..
I said it because its not like it would make a difference. I swear people down here in Texas ride like they drive. If there are four lanes on a freeway they take up all four, and the same applies to their cycling. The most annoying part of the entire event was the start of Day 2 when several groups had to ride in the opposing lanes just to get around the mass collection of people using their brakes on a downhill or just in general riding slow. I was thinking that after registration filled up so quickly that maybe this year would be full of returning riders that were just so eager. Now all I'm seeing is posts about new riders and I'm thinking this year is going to be a nightmare with accidents, congestion, and confusion. Heck I'm tempted to suggest all newbies take the park route, its easy I tell you...real easy.

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Originally Posted by dr. nate View Post
I said it because its not like it would make a difference. I swear people down here in Texas ride like they drive. If there are four lanes on a freeway they take up all four, and the same applies to their cycling. The most annoying part of the entire event was the start of Day 2 when several groups had to ride in the opposing lanes just to get around the mass collection of people using their brakes on a downhill or just in general riding slow. I was thinking that after registration filled up so quickly that maybe this year would be full of returning riders that were just so eager. Now all I'm seeing is posts about new riders and I'm thinking this year is going to be a nightmare with accidents, congestion, and confusion. Heck I'm tempted to suggest all newbies take the park route, its easy I tell you...real easy.

-Nate

Actually what you described was going on from when the starter's gun went off on day one! The ride marshal's efforts to enforce the rules was feeble at best to downright affable.

The MS150 has a number of problems that no one seems to want to address. For starters there is a serious disparity between what it's advertised as being and how it is pitched to riders. Sure the literature states that the ride is not a race; however, to the riders it's mediaspun to be the official unofficial untimed Texas' version of the Tour De France. In my opinion, the reason they have done so is many-fold, but primarily if they called it what it is either a tour or extended charity ride they wouldn't have as many riders . With lower numbers of riders they wouldn't make as much money. This brings me to the second reason that the MS folks don't want to fix the problems. Money, if they clarified what kind of animal the MS150 was, the big companies would not be inclined to sponsor it or send big teams to ride it. In it's current state they (MS Society, and others) can downplay needing experience. So companies can tell their secretaries and other novice riders," Oh come ride the MS150! It's not a race. etc."

Consequently, these noobs show up and because they are not aware that a minimum speed is needed to make it to La Grange in a reasonable amount of time, they literally ride like they are on a Sunday ride in a city park.

The MS150 should be marketed and presented as a tour. Not a Tour De France type tour, but a "I'm Traveling from point "A" to point "B" tour. It should also be explained to all that a minimum speed must be maintained otherwise riders will be suspended for safety reasons.

Th ride is filling up as fast as it is because of they mystique of the MS150 and that there is no one sorting these riders out as to strength. That would be another way of fixing things. Group the riders by their speed averages. Put the fast riders at the front, medium at the middle and so on. Right not it's by how much money each team raise and by numbers of riders per team.
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Originally Posted by dr. nate View Post
I said it because its not like it would make a difference. I swear people down here in Texas ride like they drive. If there are four lanes on a freeway they take up all four, and the same applies to their cycling. The most annoying part of the entire event was the start of Day 2 when several groups had to ride in the opposing lanes just to get around the mass collection of people using their brakes on a downhill or just in general riding slow. I was thinking that after registration filled up so quickly that maybe this year would be full of returning riders that were just so eager. Now all I'm seeing is posts about new riders and I'm thinking this year is going to be a nightmare with accidents, congestion, and confusion. Heck I'm tempted to suggest all newbies take the park route, its easy I tell you...real easy.

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Please do not suggest more people crowd the park route. It's getting crowded enough already. The only saving grace last year was that everyone spent 15 minutes at the rest stop talking to Chris Carmichael, so I got ahead of it.
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Originally Posted by kwrides View Post
Please do not suggest more people crowd the park route. It's getting crowded enough already. The only saving grace last year was that everyone spent 15 minutes at the rest stop talking to Chris Carmichael, so I got ahead of it.
The park was nice because most of the people riding it were experienced riders. What did suck was getting dumped back into the middle of the riders who took the short cut. From the park to lunch and for about five miles after lunch there were heards of riders who had to ride into unprotected lanes in order to get among the mass traffic jam of riders only wanting to do 10-15 mph.

The other bad section was after lunch as well when we were riding through that construction zone. I was riding with about four other people in a small pace line that continued to get blocked by a rather large pace line that refused to move so we could pass. Soon it formed a rolling mass that left us stuck in the wind at slow speeds.

I think this will be my last MS150 (at least for the Houston to Austin route) for a long time.

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