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Old 04-10-15, 12:22 AM
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Light weight free standing tent

I am looking for an ultralight/light free standing tent, less that 1.7kg (3.7lbs) packed weight. I don't mind if its one or 2 person, for summer camping. I do not consider the Big Agnes Fly creek or Speedhouse tents free standing I want a truly free stand tent as I wont be using tent pegs/stakes. I want to be able to fit my tent & tent poles in my panniers, so the packed length cannot be very long.

And a stealth camping color fly if possible.

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Even freestanding tents need pegs for the vestibule, and many won't be as effective in the rain without a tensionned (pegged) rain fly. What do you have against pegs?
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Originally Posted by Erick L
Even freestanding tents need pegs for the vestibule, and many won't be as effective in the rain without a tensionned (pegged) rain fly. What do you have against pegs?
I've got nothing against tent pegs, I just haven't found a good way to drive tent pegs into concrete yet.
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There's always something to tie it down, or you can run a guyline to the grass If you're on concrete, chances are you'll be under a shelter anyway. You still want to bring pegs for most situations. You can use sticks as pegs but searching for those every day gets old fast.
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Originally Posted by azza_333
I've got nothing against tent pegs, I just haven't found a good way to drive tent pegs into concrete yet.
You are going to stealth camp on concrete? Sounds like a lot of fun. And with no pegs you had better weight that sucker down good when it's windy.
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Originally Posted by azza_333
I've got nothing against tent pegs, I just haven't found a good way to drive tent pegs into concrete yet.
I assume that you'll be camping under roof from time to time. In that case, you'll probably not need the fly.
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No camping under a roof, a decent amount of my camping will be on grass, but I also need to be able to camp on sand, rock, and on concrete.
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I have found that two hoop tents that require only two anchor points work well enough on hard surfaces since there is ueually at least two things to tie off between. Often one or both stakes can be off the edge of the concrete. So you might consider them as well as freestanding tents.

If that works for you... I really like my Eureka Spitfire 1 pretty well. I am not sure if it is still in production but you can still find them new for under $120. I like it better than the much more expensive tents that I have used. My only complaint was the heavy and crappy stakes that came with it. I'd ommediately replace those.
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I am after a TRUE freestanding tent, as my OP stated
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Not using tent pegs/stakes is just a bad idea unless you can find a place to tour where you will never have a problem with high winds. If there are never high winds down under, by all means save the xtra weight of a handful of stakes.
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Originally Posted by bikemig
Not using tent pegs/stakes is just a bad idea unless you can find a place to tour where you will never have a problem with high winds. If there are never high winds down under, by all means save the xtra weight of a handful of stakes.
Oh believe me ... there are definitely high winds down under!!
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Originally Posted by azza_333
I've got nothing against tent pegs, I just haven't found a good way to drive tent pegs into concrete yet.
I've done a fair amount of camping in my time ... but I've never camped on concrete. What sort of situation do you anticipate encountering where you would camp on concrete?
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Originally Posted by azza_333
I am after a TRUE freestanding tent, as my OP stated
The Rainbow is a true free standing tent. You can buy poles for the bottom edges of the tent.
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Originally Posted by bikemig
Not using tent pegs/stakes is just a bad idea unless you can find a place to tour where you will never have a problem with high winds. If there are never high winds down under, by all means save the xtra weight of a handful of stakes.
As I have stated I am looking for a free standing tent, one that can be pitched with out needing tent pegs. The issue of using tent pegs or not is a different matter that I am not concerned with.
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Originally Posted by Machka
I've done a fair amount of camping in my time ... but I've never camped on concrete. What sort of situation do you anticipate encountering where you would camp on concrete?
Not sure about the OP, but I have camped on concrete quite a bit. When I have it was usually been under a roof though, so fairly often the rain fly could be skipped since I was mostly after bug protection. Places where I have done this were most often in picnic pavilions in town parks or in roadside picnic areas. I never had a problem with a tent that required two anchor points in these situations and often tied the end points to picnic tables, posts, or used a stake or two off of the concrete. A couple times I just put a big rock in each end of my Spitfire 1.

These days I most often carry a bivy rather than a tent and cowboy camp unless I need the protection of the bivy, so no stakes required. That said I have used tents on concrete dozens or maybe even scores of times in the past.
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Originally Posted by staehpj1
Not sure about the OP, but I have camped on concrete quite a bit. When I have it was usually been under a roof though, so fairly often the rain fly could be skipped since I was mostly after bug protection. Places where I have done this were most often in picnic pavilions in town parks or in roadside picnic areas. I never had a problem with a tent that required two anchor points in these situations and often tied the end points to picnic tables, posts, or used a stake or two off of the concrete. A couple times I just put a big rock in each end of my Spitfire 1.

These days I most often carry a bivy rather than a tent and cowboy camp unless I need the protection of the bivy, so no stakes required. That said I have used tents on concrete dozens or maybe even scores of times in the past.
Again I will state FREE STANDING
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Originally Posted by azza_333
Again I will state FREE STANDING
Here are some options.
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Originally Posted by azza_333
Again I will state FREE STANDING
Relax. I was responding to Machka's question and threads drift. Feel free to ignore my comments about non free standing tents.
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Originally Posted by staehpj1
Relax. I was responding to Machka's question and threads drift. Feel free to ignore my comments about non free standing tents.
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Originally Posted by azza_333
As I have stated I am looking for a free standing tent, one that can be pitched with out needing tent pegs. The issue of using tent pegs or not is a different matter that I am not concerned with.
Originally Posted by azza_333
. . . I want a truly free stand tent as I wont be using tent pegs/stakes. . . . .
Bad idea not using tent pegs/stakes. If you're saying that isn't what you said, OK.
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Yeah. I love these threads.

I CAN'T BOTHER TO GOOGLE FOR MY UNIQUE, SPECIAL REQUEST SO I'M GOING TO ASK PEOPLE FOR FREE ADVICE THEN YELL AT THEM!
+ 1. Nothing like having the OP troll his or her own thread.
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Originally Posted by azza_333
I am looking for an ultralight/light free standing tent, less that 1.7kg (3.7lbs) packed weight. I don't mind if its one or 2 person, for summer camping. I do not consider the Big Agnes Fly creek or Speedhouse tents free standing I want a truly free stand tent as I wont be using tent pegs/stakes. I want to be able to fit my tent & tent poles in my panniers, so the packed length cannot be very long.

And a stealth camping color fly if possible.
All freestanding tents are designed to be used with pegs or some kind of anchors. The closest you get are tents like the Black Diamond Firstlight, a simple single-wall dome tent with poor ventilation and an entryway that allows rain in when using it. Even this tent will require pegs when it's windy. But otherwise it will stand on its own.

I'd take the advice from others who have mentioned that a freestanding tent isn't a requirement, it's a convenience. In almost all circumstances you should be able to improvise some kind of anchor points, whether picnic benches or rocks. In the rare circumstances where you can't find anchor points with or without pegs, realize that you've made a poor site choice and move on.
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Originally Posted by niknak
All freestanding tents are designed to be used with pegs or some kind of anchors. The closest you get are tents like the Black Diamond Firstlight, a simple single-wall dome tent with poor ventilation and an entryway that allows rain in when using it. Even this tent will require pegs when it's windy. But otherwise it will stand on its own.

I'd take the advice from others who have mentioned that a freestanding tent isn't a requirement, it's a convenience. In almost all circumstances you should be able to improvise some kind of anchor points, whether picnic benches or rocks. In the rare circumstances where you can't find anchor points with or without pegs, realize that you've made a poor site choice and move on.
I know that the OP doesn't want to hear it, but I have used an MSR Fling in the past. It had the option of taking the ridge pole to make it freestanding or leaving it home to save weight. I found that it was easy enough to use on concrete without the ridge pole that I stopped carrying the ridge pole.

On the subject of fully free standing tents... The double wall ones I have seen or used all were not really useable in wet weather without stakes because the fly needed to be staked out. Are there any double wall tents that actually are fully free standing and in the weight range the OP specified where the fly doesn't lay on the inner tent if not staked out? If not he might need to go single wall to meet his requirements. That would limit the options quite a bit.

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