Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Touring
Reload this Page >

Brooks saddle guide

Touring Have a dream to ride a bike across your state, across the country, or around the world? Self-contained or fully supported? Trade ideas, adventures, and more in our bicycle touring forum.

Brooks saddle guide

Old 09-09-15, 11:19 AM
  #26  
elcruxio
Senior Member
 
elcruxio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Turku, Finland, Europe
Posts: 1,823

Bikes: 2011 Specialized crux comp, 2013 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 317 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by grolby View Post
One thing I will say for Brooks is they seem to have amazing durability if they are treated well. My experience with most saddles is that the shell inevitably breaks down over thousands of miles and becomes soft and flexy. This has held true for saddles that cost quite a bit more than a typical Brooks B17 or Professional. Of course, I managed to wreck that B17 I had, too, so maybe it's just me!
Well, I guess. If they don't go all slack in a few hunder miles. Like two have done with me. Now that I have a other than brooks leather saddle with some real leather thickness there's no worry about going slack.
elcruxio is offline  
Old 09-09-15, 12:02 PM
  #27  
winston63 
Senior Member
 
winston63's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 659

Bikes: Specialized Diverge E5 Comp, Specialized AWOL Comp, Scott Solace 10

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 116 Post(s)
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
This is where I will quibble more. I install my Brooks saddles dead level flat just as I do all of my saddles. I even use a level on them. I experimented a little with the tilt but never found anything but dead flat to be beneficial.

I would also add that almost all of the Brooks saddles are taller than most plastic saddles. After installation, the saddle will probably need to be lowered to get the proper height.
Agreed on both counts: I have a B17 and a recently purchased Cambium and I find it preferable to have them both level. And both saddles are taller than the saddles they replaced.

I also disagree about the "divots". Even on the saddle that has 14,000 miles on it, I can see no discernible changes in the saddle. I have several other Brooks with varying mileages on them and none show any kind of divots.
Yeah, I admit I find the reference to "divots" puzzling: my B17 looks somewhat worn as befitting a saddle with the miles it's got on it, but there are no divots.

On the other hand, my B17 did get a bit "soft" and required a bit of tension adjustment after a mere 4000 miles: I see many riders report never having to adjust theirs so I don't know what's up with mine. But regardless, it's very comfortable.
winston63 is offline  
Old 09-09-15, 12:44 PM
  #28  
rhm
multimodal commuter
 
rhm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NJ, NYC, LI
Posts: 19,076

Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...

Mentioned: 438 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1539 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Two main points: 1. Brooks saddles vary a great deal. 2. So do the riders.

How do Brooks saddles vary?
1. They offer many different models, with different frames, different rivet choices, different leather treatments...
2. Despite all their experience, the do not have complete control over the leather they buy and make into saddles. They get it from a tannery that prepares it to their specifications, but every piece of leather is the hide of an animal, and neither Brooks nor the tannery has complete control over that animal's life. They know what they're doing, and it's not a crapshoot, but they don't have complete control.
3. When we talk about Brooks saddles, we lump saddles made last year together with saddles made in the 1970's or earlier. The leather used in 1970 was different from the leather used today, and the leather used in the 1970's is now 40 years old. These things make a difference.
4. Brooks models have changed over the years as well. B.17 was once the top of the line; now it's the standard product. And so on.
5. Aside from the above, some of us opine that Brooks has intentionally changed the way they make saddles, so they are now intended to be comfortable from day one, at the cost of longevity; in contrast, fifty years ago they were intended to last pretty much for ever. I believe this is true, but I'm not certain.

How do the riders vary? Reread this thread. @cyccommute won't ride without padded shorts. I won't ride with them. No big deal for me; I pretty much always wear cotton briefs and cotton shorts. My mileage for the year is over 4000, including a dozen rides of over 100 miles and two of 200 miles. No saddle sores. @winston63 finds the reference to "divots" puzzling, but I don't. This is doubtless related to the fact that I ride in cotton, which can get wet as I sweat. On a hot day my saddles often start to get a little wet, and when leather is wet, it softens. My saddles always develop indentations under my sit bones; and they usually get a little asymmetrical (always in the same way). By disagreeing with these forum members, I don't mean to say they're wrong; but evidently they ride differently from me and as a consequence they experience leather saddles in a different way as well.

It is true that water doesn't really do that much damage. But riding a soaking wet saddle can seriously stretch it out, and whether you call it damage or not, cannot be undone. Similarly, repeated soaking, even without riding, will wash soluble materials out of the leather, and as this happens, the leather changes. It gets harder, less resilient, and it shrinks. Again, these changes cannot be undone.
__________________
I put new leather on ruined saddles like Brooks, etc. You can reach me by private message.
rhm is offline  
Old 09-09-15, 12:56 PM
  #29  
BikingZombie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Twin Cities, MN
Posts: 120

Bikes: Surly CC

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have a lovely lime green B17 on my surly cross check that has been used year round in lots of bad weather. It has a few thousand miles on it looks a little beat in, but is comfortable for me. I don't cover it, but I proof it at least once or twice a year. No diapers for me, just undies, shorts and my saddle.
BikingZombie is offline  
Old 09-09-15, 03:32 PM
  #30  
phughes
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,155
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 231 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 12 Posts
Interestingly, I have been working on my bike fit this Summer. I have had the Brooks for a little over 2,000 miles and overall it is very comfortable. I did get a little perineum discomfort after getting the seat height set a little higher, so I usually ran it a bit low. I decided to work on the fit since I was riding every day and had the time. I used this guide for seat height and the same blog to help get the seat set back dialed in better. https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com...ard-can-it-be/

After getting it all dialed in, I still had some pressure where I did't want it. I had always had my seat a bit nose high, as many do, since it helps keep you firmly on the back of the seat, and honestly it is often more comfortable that way. I went on Brooks' blog not long ago to see what they said regarding seat tilt. They recommended it be dead level. When I looked at their images, the seat rails themselves were dead level. I had always placed a level across the top of the seat and leveled it that way, which actually leaves the nose a little high. I leveled it as shown on the blog, and the seat disappeared underneath me, completely. The Brooks England Blog Blog Archive Adjust your bicycle seat / Correct Saddle Fitment

I also find I do not slide forward as I did before when I had the seat adjusted with the nose level. The reason for that is now the seat setback is in the right position for me, so I naturally stay in place. The blog by Steve Hogg explained that to me and I applied what I learned there. Now I am completely comfortable on this seat. I have always been able to ride long distances with this seat, a B17, I took it on a 400 mile tour after having it only 200 miles. Now though, it is as if it is not even there.

I am glad I looked at the Brooks blog, and very glad I took the time to work on the fit using what information I gleaned from Steve Hogg's site. I actually paid the money to access his site and it was worth every penny. I am now comfortable and my speed is faster on my commute with less effort.

Last edited by phughes; 09-10-15 at 04:52 PM.
phughes is offline  
Old 09-10-15, 11:16 AM
  #31  
mantelclock
Senior Moment
 
mantelclock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 188

Bikes: Velo Orange Campeur, 1976 Motobecane Grand Touring

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Lou Skannon View Post
Brooks saddles are vastly over-rated; almost any gel-padded saddle is more comfortable. The more cycling you do on any one saddle will make it seem more comfortable as your bum gets used to it. It's a bit like walking bare-foot everywhere in the Summer; at first, it can be a problem but after your feet become accustomed; then it is easy.
Quite a statement there! While Brooks saddles are not for everyone, there is a huge difference between the padding on a gel saddle and the trampoline cushioning on a Brooks. On a leather saddle, all of the pressure is on your sit bones, where it should be. On a gel saddle, or gel shorts for that matter, the padding is compressed to even out the pressure over a wider area of your underside. I cannot ride a padded saddle for more than about a quarter mile before my hamstrings start to cramp.

I still use a 35 year old B17 around town that has been soaked more times than I can recall and it is still perfectly functional. My newer Flyer that I use exclusively on tours was comfortable right out of the box. I can ride on a flyer for days on end with nothing between me and the saddle except a pair of wool briefs and light weight poly shorts.
mantelclock is offline  
Old 09-10-15, 04:48 PM
  #32  
phughes
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,155
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 231 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 12 Posts
Also remember if you switch from one saddle to a Brooks, be sure to measure the seat height from the bottom bracket before you remove your old seat. You will most likely have to drop the seat post down a bit to match the seat height since the B17 sits higher off the rails than many seats. If you don't, you will have comfort issues, most likely perineum pain. Of course this is good practice for any saddle swap.
phughes is offline  
Old 09-10-15, 11:39 PM
  #33  
elcruxio
Senior Member
 
elcruxio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Turku, Finland, Europe
Posts: 1,823

Bikes: 2011 Specialized crux comp, 2013 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 317 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by mantelclock View Post
Quite a statement there! While Brooks saddles are not for everyone, there is a huge difference between the padding on a gel saddle and the trampoline cushioning on a Brooks. On a leather saddle, all of the pressure is on your sit bones, where it should be. On a gel saddle, or gel shorts for that matter, the padding is compressed to even out the pressure over a wider area of your underside. I cannot ride a padded saddle for more than about a quarter mile before my hamstrings start to cramp.

I still use a 35 year old B17 around town that has been soaked more times than I can recall and it is still perfectly functional. My newer Flyer that I use exclusively on tours was comfortable right out of the box. I can ride on a flyer for days on end with nothing between me and the saddle except a pair of wool briefs and light weight poly shorts.
Whoo boy quite a statement there. Hold your horses a bit will ya.

There are quite a bit variety of gel padded/padded saddles and padding thicknesses. I'd wager some gel saddles give a smaller pressure area than any Brooks can (which can be a good or bad thing)
I like a slightly more padded gel saddle (Terry Figura) and get zero issues with it while a Brooks was comfy but it still made my junk go numb. The way a Brooks hammocks can cause pressure in all the wrong places while a good gel saddle can just envelop your sitbones while adding pressure to no other areas. The reason I like the Terry figura is that it supports both the sitbones and rami which is rather uncommon in a saddle. In my experience it's one or the other. A Brooks supports the sitbones but if you try putting weight on the rami you're going to have a bad time.
elcruxio is offline  
Old 09-11-15, 03:37 AM
  #34  
mantelclock
Senior Moment
 
mantelclock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 188

Bikes: Velo Orange Campeur, 1976 Motobecane Grand Touring

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by elcruxio View Post
Whoo boy quite a statement there. Hold your horses a bit will ya.
I knew I was jumping out of the pan into the fire with this one. The main point I was trying to make is that gel has very different characteristics than leather, and while Brooks obviously isn't for everyone, gel is not always the answer either. I agree with you that if your Brooks is not set up properly, it can be uncomfortable, or even downright painful, but that can be said for any saddle. I probably shouldn't have been so assertive - people get very passionate about their choice of gear.
mantelclock is offline  
Old 09-11-15, 04:21 AM
  #35  
rex615
canis lupus familiaris
 
rex615's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 2,254

Bikes: En plus one

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by elcruxio View Post
but if you try putting weight on the rami you're going to have a bad time.
What is a rami?
rex615 is offline  
Old 09-11-15, 04:57 AM
  #36  
elcruxio
Senior Member
 
elcruxio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Turku, Finland, Europe
Posts: 1,823

Bikes: 2011 Specialized crux comp, 2013 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 317 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by rex615 View Post
What is a rami?
It's the forward part of your pelvic sitbone area. The sitbones are know as the ischial tuberosities and are two distinct bone edges at the bottom of your pelvis. The rami is the bone structure going forward from the sit bones. Google it so you'll find pictures.

Sitting on the rami with the wrong saddle can be really nasty experience since there are quite a bit of nerves and blood vessels traveling between the rami bones on the inside surface. If the saddle area for the rami is too narrow and pushes inside the rami bones it can then block those blood vessels and cause numbness, which is always a very bad thing.

You could think them as extensions of the sit bones and some people even call them sitbones also thinking that sitbones narrow down when leaning forward but what is actually happening is putting weight from the ischial tuberosities to the rami.
elcruxio is offline  
Old 09-11-15, 05:19 AM
  #37  
dailycommute
Senior Member
 
dailycommute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: RiverRoad, ME
Posts: 769
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 62 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Currently have 5 different brooks (b-17, b-17 aged, b-17 self butcher, b-17 imperial, pro). All wear differently, all broke in varying times, pro is narrow, aged actually took the longest to break in. I find the imperials to be the most comfortable, plus they have lacing skirt which standard b-17 lacks. On standard b-17 I drilled lacing as this seems to help keep shape better than screw. Water will damage brooks saddle but it takes multiple times, I treat with obenhaufs but the saddle ridden most in rain now has a cover, recommend one for sure.
dailycommute is offline  
Old 09-11-15, 07:55 AM
  #38  
jeneralist 
Senior Member
 
jeneralist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 793

Bikes: Breezer EX Uptown with Bafang controller (e-bike); Cannondale Adventure 400; Bilenky Ti Tourlite

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have wide sit bones and ride with more of an upright posture: the Brooks B68 works for me. Unfortunately, it's been discontinued.
jeneralist is offline  
Old 09-11-15, 08:07 AM
  #39  
tjkoko
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Okefenokee Swamps.
Posts: 583

Bikes: Rockhopper, Azor Oma cruiser

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by jeneralist View Post
I have wide sit bones and ride with more of an upright posture: the Brooks B68 works for me. Unfortunately, it's been discontinued.
Former chiro here. What you state is the norm for females. The angle at the sit bones, the ischial tuberosities, for the female is 90 degrees and for the male that angle is less. Shown here at Wiki.
tjkoko is offline  
Old 09-11-15, 08:10 AM
  #40  
tjkoko
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Okefenokee Swamps.
Posts: 583

Bikes: Rockhopper, Azor Oma cruiser

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rex615 View Post
What is a rami?
Shown here at Wiki.
tjkoko is offline  
Old 09-11-15, 07:11 PM
  #41  
rex615
canis lupus familiaris
 
rex615's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 2,254

Bikes: En plus one

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks @elcruxio and @tjkoko I learned something new.

I did try googling it first but couldn't find much, i didn't realize rami was plural for ramus (as in branch).
rex615 is offline  
Old 09-14-15, 06:09 PM
  #42  
spectastic
commu*ist spy
Thread Starter
 
spectastic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: inside my body
Posts: 4,402

Bikes: a few

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 623 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I went to the huckleberry bike shop in san francisco, and one of the guys there took a look at my bike, and told me that with the way it's setup (race style geometry), a regular brooks saddle probably won't be ideal, and maybe the narrow selection would be better. However, I use a 155 saddle, and the narrow version of the brooks is 150 I think. I rode the cambium and the imperial, and both were rock hard. I think the imperial has a better shape, even though I can feel the gap pretty good without shorts on.

but basically, what I learned is that brooks saddle is comfortable for relaxed touring geometries, with the handlebars level or above the seat. mine are more race oriented, because that's how I was fitted, and I'm told the brooks might not be the best option.

any advice there?
spectastic is offline  
Old 09-14-15, 07:42 PM
  #43  
Machka 
In Real Life
 
Machka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Down under down under
Posts: 51,448

Bikes: Lots

Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2871 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times in 50 Posts
Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
I went to the huckleberry bike shop in san francisco, and one of the guys there took a look at my bike, and told me that with the way it's setup (race style geometry), a regular brooks saddle probably won't be ideal, and maybe the narrow selection would be better. However, I use a 155 saddle, and the narrow version of the brooks is 150 I think. I rode the cambium and the imperial, and both were rock hard. I think the imperial has a better shape, even though I can feel the gap pretty good without shorts on.

but basically, what I learned is that brooks saddle is comfortable for relaxed touring geometries, with the handlebars level or above the seat. mine are more race oriented, because that's how I was fitted, and I'm told the brooks might not be the best option.

any advice there?

For your setup, you might want to consider the Brooks Pro.

Again, email Wallingford Bikes (see my first post) -- tell them your setup and ask them your questions. They might have some good advice for you.


And yes ... Brooks saddles are hard.
Machka is offline  
Old 09-14-15, 07:55 PM
  #44  
DropBarFan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,858

Bikes: 2013 Surly Disc Trucker, 2004 Novara Randonee , old fixie , etc

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 532 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 16 Times in 12 Posts
Originally Posted by dailycommute View Post
Currently have 5 different brooks (b-17, b-17 aged, b-17 self butcher, b-17 imperial, pro). All wear differently, all broke in varying times, pro is narrow, aged actually took the longest to break in. I find the imperials to be the most comfortable, plus they have lacing skirt which standard b-17 lacks. On standard b-17 I drilled lacing as this seems to help keep shape better than screw. Water will damage brooks saddle but it takes multiple times, I treat with obenhaufs but the saddle ridden most in rain now has a cover, recommend one for sure.
Did the butchering affect the fit of the B-17? I have a B-17 that I laced up to minimize skirt rub. Still get a touch of thigh rub on one side of the nose; I don't think butchering would help my situation since skirt is now vertical but I'm wondering anyway. I'm light weight so I wouldn't worry about a butchered saddle sagging.
DropBarFan is offline  
Old 09-14-15, 08:19 PM
  #45  
DropBarFan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,858

Bikes: 2013 Surly Disc Trucker, 2004 Novara Randonee , old fixie , etc

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 532 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 16 Times in 12 Posts
Originally Posted by spectastic View Post
I went to the huckleberry bike shop in san francisco, and one of the guys there took a look at my bike, and told me that with the way it's setup (race style geometry), a regular brooks saddle probably won't be ideal, and maybe the narrow selection would be better. However, I use a 155 saddle, and the narrow version of the brooks is 150 I think. I rode the cambium and the imperial, and both were rock hard. I think the imperial has a better shape, even though I can feel the gap pretty good without shorts on.

but basically, what I learned is that brooks saddle is comfortable for relaxed touring geometries, with the handlebars level or above the seat. mine are more race oriented, because that's how I was fitted, and I'm told the brooks might not be the best option.

any advice there?
Brooks has a variety of saddles intended for race/sport riding ie lower handlebar: Team Pro, Swift, Swallow etc. Swallow (from photo) seems fairly flat fore-aft unlike some other Brooks' saddles which might be more comfortable for some. + it's got that cool retro look. I'm experimenting w/plastic saddles since my B-17 nose feels a touch wide (& AFAIK the B-17N's nose is not narrower than the reg B-17). There's so many plastic saddles available I don't see any particular favorites among tourers. In the past the most comfy saddles I've used were cheaper stock sport-touring saddles. I guess fit (for plastic saddles) has little to do with price or looks.

DropBarFan is offline  
Old 09-15-15, 01:07 AM
  #46  
spectastic
commu*ist spy
Thread Starter
 
spectastic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: inside my body
Posts: 4,402

Bikes: a few

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 623 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
hmm ok.

I've sent wallingford a message, see what they have to say. hopefully, it works out, and I can ride long distances WITHOUT HAVING TO WEAR CHAMOIS SHORTS
spectastic is offline  
Old 09-15-15, 09:02 PM
  #47  
Jim Kukula
Senior Member
 
Jim Kukula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 589

Bikes: Thorn Nomad Mk2, 1996 Trek 520, Workcycles Transport, Brompton

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've got maybe 13K miles on my Flyer Special by now. The photo below is from a few years ago, with maybe 5K miles. By now I do have some little dents where my sit bones fit. I don't ride with padded shorts, but I am rarely out for more than 60 miles or so. I like to take breaks off the bike and also stand up on the pedals to get blood flowing.

Jim Kukula is offline  
Old 09-15-15, 09:40 PM
  #48  
DropBarFan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,858

Bikes: 2013 Surly Disc Trucker, 2004 Novara Randonee , old fixie , etc

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 532 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 16 Times in 12 Posts
Originally Posted by Jim Kukula View Post
I've got maybe 13K miles on my Flyer Special by now. The photo below is from a few years ago, with maybe 5K miles. By now I do have some little dents where my sit bones fit. I don't ride with padded shorts, but I am rarely out for more than 60 miles or so. I like to take breaks off the bike and also stand up on the pedals to get blood flowing.
Can't argue w/experience but I don't get how folks tolerate swaybacked saddles. Yes, B17/Flyer more for upright style but seems like w/various tilts you'd either be sliding forward or having nose cause pressure up front. Always thought Brooks breaking in was supposed to be sit indentations only & sagging supposed to be fixed with tension nut. Once bought a used Team Pro that had some swayback & nose leather was so close to the nut it was impossible to fit wrench w/o risking marring the nose.

IMHO a touring saddle should work OK with bike shorts or (sensible) street clothes. B17 seems to work nice with either. Wish I could ride a Brooks but the geometry doesn't seem to agree w/me.
DropBarFan is offline  
Old 09-15-15, 10:03 PM
  #49  
Jim Kukula
Senior Member
 
Jim Kukula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 589

Bikes: Thorn Nomad Mk2, 1996 Trek 520, Workcycles Transport, Brompton

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DropBarFan View Post
you'd either be sliding forward or having nose cause pressure up front. Always thought Brooks breaking in was supposed to be sit indentations only & sagging supposed to be fixed with tension nut.
Yeah your theory seems correct to me. I have pulled up the tension a couple times since I have had the saddle, coming up to 5 years now. I don't want to over-stretch the saddle, but yeah if it sags too much then I won't have my weight on my sit bones.

Here's a photo where you can see that I have the seat angled up quite a lot, and the bars a touch higher than the saddle. How this all works with my anatomy, darned if I know. Comfy enough somehow! BTW I am rather on the fat old guy end of the spectrum - that lean young fellow was my riding partner that particular day!

Jim Kukula is offline  
Old 09-15-15, 10:37 PM
  #50  
DropBarFan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,858

Bikes: 2013 Surly Disc Trucker, 2004 Novara Randonee , old fixie , etc

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 532 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 16 Times in 12 Posts
Originally Posted by Jim Kukula View Post
Yeah your theory seems correct to me. I have pulled up the tension a couple times since I have had the saddle, coming up to 5 years now. I don't want to over-stretch the saddle, but yeah if it sags too much then I won't have my weight on my sit bones.

Here's a photo where you can see that I have the seat angled up quite a lot, and the bars a touch higher than the saddle. How this all works with my anatomy, darned if I know. Comfy enough somehow! BTW I am rather on the fat old guy end of the spectrum - that lean young fellow was my riding partner that particular day!
Plus you're using upright bars & the sitting part of saddle is basically level so I guess you're not sliding forward into nose anyway. I've seen a lot of photos of well-used swayback Brooks saddles that owners love. But on Brooks' website I haven't seen that they talk much about the sway issue.
DropBarFan is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.