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Old 09-23-15, 11:15 AM
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For Camping Stoves I am considering the MSR Whisperlite Inter. - Consider any other?

As the subject line says, I am looking at the MSR Whisperlite International, I am choosing it for versatility, fuel availability and fuel costs, (should I be concerned with the newer model's fuel pump? Any other suggestions? Also, which size Fuel bottle should I consider for long distance touring, could I attach a "Solo" fuel bottle or any other suggested make to the MSR?

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Dragon Fly will be a better cooking stove because it has a Burner needle valve + the tank shut off valve

MSR® DragonFly? multi-fuel camp stove.

Though there Is the possibility with the whisperlight , to pressurize the bottle less to have a less than full on flame ..

the Middle sized '20oz' fuel bottle fits in a Regular water bottle cage .. I used the Under the down tube Mount
on my touring bike frames for the fuel, added a toe strap so it stayed secure down there..

Because the Gas is pressurized with a Pump , they recommend using Only their Own Fuel Bottles .

Pump screw thread in the neck would also have to match, as well, if you at your own risk, use another sourced bottle.

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I really like the Primus OmniFuel. It has a noisier burner than the Whisperlight but works great.



A friend of mine has the Whisperlight and he is very happy with it too. I do not think you would go wrong with either.

Primus says you need to use Primus bottles with their stoves, not sure why because the threads interchange with MSR and Brunton and Optimus bottles.

I have several sizes of bottles. If you ever might want to use Kerosene, you might want to carry it in a water bottle cage if any Kerosene gets on the outside of the bottle. If so, see if any of their bottles are the right size for a water bottle cage. But I find white gas (Coleman fuel) to evaporate readily so if I get some white gas on the outside of my bottle, it is gone in a few minutes, whereas Kerosene evaporates much slower. Thus, I carry my white gas in the pannier, but I prefer to carry Kerosene outside in a bottle cage. I have a couple older Optimus 0.6 liter bottles that fit perfectly in a bottle cage for when I use Kerosene but I suspect these bottles are no longer available, my photo is from 2010, so the bottles are older than that.

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We have 3 MSR stoves in our inventory: Whisperlite, Whisperlite International, and Pocket Rocket. We've used the Whisperlites more for winter ski tours, mountaineering, and extended backpacking trips than bike touring. I think we actually had 2 standard Whisperlites at one time, until our son "borrowed" one about 10 years ago. Sigg fuel bottles work fine with them. I've never needed to burn anything but white gas in any of the stoves, so I can't help much there. The Whisperlite, regardless of model, is rugged, dependable, and efficient. They are relatively light for what you get in performance.

Whether it is a good stove for you depends on what you are going to use it for. Are going to be actually cooking or just heating food and boiling water? You can melt a heck of a lot of snow in short order with a whisperlite, but not something you often do on bike tours. Are you going to need the multi-fuel capability?

Purging the fuel bottles for air travel can be a bit of a challenge. I open them up early and let them air out. Then zip tie the stoppers to the lip of the bottles, so they are always open. This seems to work. I've never used kerosene, but I suspect those bottles will be hard to get the smell out.

22 oz. Sigg bottle in the water bottle cage on bottom of the cross tube.

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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Dragon Fly will be a better cooking stove because it has a Burner needle valve + the tank shut off valve

MSR® DragonFly? multi-fuel camp stove.

Though there Is the possibility with the whisperlight , to pressurize the bottle less to have a less than full on flame ..

the Middle sized '20oz' fuel bottle fits in a Regular water bottle cage .. I used the Under the down tube Mount
on my touring bike frames for the fuel, added a toe strap so it stayed secure down there..

Because the Gas is pressurized with a Pump , they recommend using Only their Own Fuel Bottles .

Pump screw thread in the neck would also have to match, as well, if you at your own risk, use another sourced bottle.
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but I get Unleaded auto fuel for 50cents where ever I went. you have to find the butane cartridges.

IVe got decades of touring , and even more time camping, all the way back to the cub-scouts.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
but I get Unleaded auto fuel for 50cents where ever I went.
Ya, I want to go as far as I can, first across Canada next summer, perhaps South America, so I like the flexibility and low fuel cost of the MSR whisperlite International, I will be cooking my food as opposed to just heating it up so I do take note of the advantages of the Dragonfly. On Mountain Equipment Co-op there was some negative feedback regarding the newer Whisperlite's pumps failing, so that is a concern.
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dragonfly pump differs from the rest .. [IDK if reviewers tried rebuilding theirs, all the parts are packaged ]

I have to remember to open the burner needle valve , first .. (oops)

the pressurized tank valve opening to a closed needle valve down line, pushes fuel around O rings .

The Burner head is akin to their Burn almost anything XGK Original mountaineering stove.
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This kit https://www.backcountryedge.com/opti...ooksystem.html is really populer in Norway this days. Nice price to. Eny one tried it?

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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN View Post
I really like the Primus OmniFuel. It has a noisier burner than the Whisperlight but works great.



A friend of mine has the Whisperlight and he is very happy with it too. I do not think you would go wrong with either.

Primus says you need to use Primus bottles with their stoves, not sure why because the threads interchange with MSR and Brunton and Optimus bottles.

I have several sizes of bottles. If you ever might want to use Kerosene, you might want to carry it in a water bottle cage if any Kerosene gets on the outside of the bottle. If so, see if any of their bottles are the right size for a water bottle cage. But I find white gas (Coleman fuel) to evaporate readily so if I get some white gas on the outside of my bottle, it is gone in a few minutes, whereas Kerosene evaporates much slower. Thus, I carry my white gas in the pannier, but I prefer to carry Kerosene outside in a bottle cage. I have a couple older Optimus 0.6 liter bottles that fit perfectly in a bottle cage for when I use Kerosene but I suspect these bottles are no longer available, my photo is from 2010, so the bottles are older than that.

I never used my Whisperlite much. It was just too dirty following the priming procedure. I've only used my OmniFuel a couple of times with white gas and it seemed much cleaner with much less soot production. I also used MSR bottle with the OmniFuel and never had issues. But the real draw for me with the Omnifuel is that I can use butane canisters when every I can find them. That's definately a plus. I much prefer butane over liquid fuel.

If you are touring in the US where there is a Helmart about as frequently as there are Starbucks, you can easily get the canisters. I did 1500 miles around Lake Erie this spring and had no problems getting canisters at any Helmart I walked into. I didn't even carry my OmniFuel. I carried a Soto Microregulator which is strictly canister and never had a problem with running out of fuel or worrying about getting a full canister.
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This is popular in Norway now https://www.backcountryedge.com/opti...ooksystem.html good price to. Anybody tried it?
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Ya, I want to go as far as I can, first across Canada next summer, perhaps South America, so I like the flexibility and low fuel cost of the MSR whisperlite International, I will be cooking my food as opposed to just heating it up so I do take note of the advantages of the Dragonfly. On Mountain Equipment Co-op there was some negative feedback regarding the newer Whisperlite's pumps failing, so that is a concern.
I'd suggest the Primus OmniFuel for your purposes. It works quite well, heats well with good control (ignore that one review on MEC) and allows you more flexibility than the Whisperlite. It will burn butane fuel or white gas without a jet change and everything the Whisperlite burns with a simple jet change.
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I've been using an Optimus Nova+ stove for several years. Very well made. Best stove I've used. I particularly like the sturdy fuel pump. Simmers nicely. Standard fuel bottles don't leak. However, if it comes with a child-proof cap, I exchange it for a regular cap. Too hard to tighten and loosen the child-proof. Besides, I'm not a child. It takes us ~3/4 liter to cook 2 elaborate meals per day for two people for 7 days.
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I've used a whisperlite for backpacking. Mine is a few years old with no problems.

If you're in the USA, just get the white gas version.

Perhaps the international version if you're doing a lot of international travelling off the beaten path.
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Tourist in MSN, I'm checking out the Primus Omnifuel, it looks well-made.

Lt Stonez thanks for the link, but I do want to stay with multifuel options.

Biketouringhobo, thanks for the link, but I think I'm staying with the multifuel options.

cyccommute, I'm taking note of your concerns regarding how dirty the whisperlite and your thumbs up for the Primus Omnifuel.

Carbonfiberboy, I've never heard of the Optimus Nova+ model, checking out.
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The Dragonfly is a better bet than the Whisperlite for hard core travel. The Dragonfly is a bit lighter than the Whisperlite. The biggest advantage of the Dragonfly is that it will simmer without needing to depressurise the bottle, great for making porridge or switching between boiling pasta then frying onions for the sauce. It'll go down to candle heat just about if you have the windshield. The disadvantage of the Dragonfly is that it sounds like a fighter jet taking off when cranked up. Freaks people out in huts and stuff. I managed to score a box full of Whisperlites, Dragonflies and the Primus Optifuels. So I've used all 3 back to back. My preference is for apologising to people and using the Dragonfly because it's a bit lighter than the Optifuel. Also the Whisperlite needs an extra ring shaped heat shield under the burner, it can scorch varnished tables without it.
The big tips with any of these stoves is to use a heat shield. You can make it out of aluminium damp course, held at the join with a bull clip paper clip. Also get the accessory fuel filter that slips onto the fuel inlet on the pump for extra insurance. Oil the pump cup leather every now and again too.
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I'm still using an antique Svea 123 I bought 45 years ago but have used plenty of other stoves over the years.
All of the roaring loud stoves use the same tried and true technology as the old Sveas with the addition of features like shaker or valve operated cleaning needles and rearranging the basic components.

The problem with the Whisperlites, besides a bit fragile pump is that they are about impossible to simmer with. That's ok if your cooking methods are limited to boiling. Not so good if you are trying to not burn the pancakes or fish.

I've run across more neighbors in campgrounds with Whisperlite problems than anything else, but that is also probably amplified by the fact that they are so ubiquitous. Why do people wait till their first trip and don't try out a stove at home?
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
I'd suggest the Primus OmniFuel for your purposes. It works quite well, heats well with good control (ignore that one review on MEC) and allows you more flexibility than the Whisperlite. It will burn butane fuel or white gas without a jet change and everything the Whisperlite burns with a simple jet change.
My OmniFuel came with three jets, Kerosene (28), white gas (37) and butane mixture (45). Thus, if you are using a white gas and butane mix with the same jet, that is not what Primus recommended.

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Tourist in MSN, I'm checking out the Primus Omnifuel, it looks well-made.

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Very well made, but mine is from one of the first years of production, they redesigned the pump later. It is possible that cyccommute has the newer pump since that is much more common, if you have any specific questions on it he might be a better source. Mine is the all Aluminum pump, later ones have a pump that angles down in the bottle and mine is horizontal in the bottle.

It simmers very well and I find that is appears to be more fuel efficient, I seem to get more meals out of it than with some other stoves.

One note however, they say it is an all fuel type stove but I found that Diesel Number 2 works poorly, so avoid that. Diesel Number 1 might burn a lot better, as it is chemically closer to Kerosene, but I have not tried Diesel Number 1. When I used Kerosene, I primed it with white gas to keep the stove cleaner with less soot.

They also make a Titanium OmniFuel, but I am not familiar with it.

In this photo you can see the top of the older style pump unit on mine on the far right side of the photo, it is silver color in a red bottle.

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So folks, I went with the Primus Omnifuel. Thanks for all the feedback!
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I am on my third Whisper light pump in about 20 years. It is only used sporadically. I like the stove overall though.
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I use a variety of stoves, currently own over a dozen

I have the older Whisperlite International, does fine, it replaced an old Svea 123 and a Primus from the 60's. I also use alcohol burners (Trangia) as well as wood fired storm kettles aka Kelly Kettles. Cooking techniques and ability to be flexible have more to do with it than the actual stove. Some people can burn water...

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My OmniFuel came with three jets, Kerosene (28), white gas (37) and butane mixture (45). Thus, if you are using a white gas and butane mix with the same jet, that is not what Primus recommended.
I don't know what year your Omnifuel is but mine only came with one jet and the instructions said that you changed the jet for gasoline and kerosene. I've run both butane and white gas on the same jet without any problems. I'll admit that I haven't used much white gas in it because I never really had to.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
I don't know what year your Omnifuel is but mine only came with one jet and the instructions said that you changed the jet for gasoline and kerosene. I've run both butane and white gas on the same jet without any problems. I'll admit that I haven't used much white gas in it because I never really had to.
Long as it works ok for you, I'd not worry about missing out on anything.
I've a Omnilite Ti I bought last year and it came with 3 jets, being one for butane, one for shellite (gasoline) and one for kerosene.
I tend to use kerosene in it as the shellite type fuels are priciest.
I prime with alcohol.
My only real complaint with it is it take a lot of priming fuel making me question its economics cooking for a single person.
Knowing how dangerous automotive fuel is due to the aromatics and lead replacements, I never ever use it.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
I don't know what year your Omnifuel is but mine only came with one jet and the instructions said that you changed the jet for gasoline and kerosene. I've run both butane and white gas on the same jet without any problems. I'll admit that I haven't used much white gas in it because I never really had to.
They apparently forgot to put a couple jets in your package. I am surprised that it works well with both fuel types.

Mine is one of the first ones, they have redesigned some parts since. The pump and burner housing on mine look exactly like the diagrams in the instructions at this site:
https://www.primus.eu/media/pdf-print...9_OmniFuel.pdf

Pasted from the instructions:

FUELS AND PERFORMANCE
Jet 45 (0.45 mm)

• Primus cartridge gas (propane/butane mix) is the ideal fuel
for the OMNIFUEL stove. The fuel is very easy to use, normally
requires no priming, and is effi cient, environmentally friendly
and clean (no soot). Minimum maintenance and cleaning are
required.
Jet 37 (0.37 mm)
• High quality white gas (MSR® White Gas/Coleman® Fuel)
affords clean combustion and leaves practically no deposits in
the fuel system.
• Vehicle petrol should be used only in exceptional cases since
it contains additives which are harmful to your health and also
leave deposits in the fuel system.
• For health reasons, leaded petrol should never be used.
Jet 28 (0.28 mm)
• Although kerosene is available worldwide, it creates more soot,
is more diffi cult to prime and necessitates frequent cleaning.
• Diesel oil may be used if no other fuel is available. Diesel oil
burns with a very sooty fl ame, takes a long time to preheat and
necessitates frequent cleaning.
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The interesting thing you can see with the jet sizes is the calorific value of the various fuel. Butane/propane is a lot lower in heat for weight (about 20% less) compared to coleman/naptha/ gasoline which is lower than diesel/ kerosine. If they did a jet for alcohol, it'd be bigger again, because its the lowest calorific value weight for weight 1.5 gallons of alcohol has the heat content of 1 gallon of petrol. When I did a lot of bush walking I used to use Coleman/White Spirit because it was a good compromise between high energy content and ease of use.
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