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Old 11-01-15, 09:04 AM
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How much $ did you budget on your Panniers/Bags?

This is more of a question on how much you'd be willing to spend. Throw in handlebar bag as well. There's obviously a budget route, but since I'm not going budget on my touring bike, why start now? *smile*

The reason I'm asking is that the Brooks Land's End and John O'Groats panniers look great but are super pricey. But the premium is almost double compared to other Ortleib quality panniers. I'm factoring in that I'm a fan of the aesthetic. These are the first panniers I've found that I think look good and are high rankling in terms of quality and function.

So, what do you consider a reasonable budget for long-lasting, waterproof panniers/handlebar bags for someone who plans on doing lots of touring the rest of their life?
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Originally Posted by rawklobster
This is more of a question on how much you'd be willing to spend. Throw in handlebar bag as well. There's obviously a budget route, but since I'm not going budget on my touring bike, why start now? *smile*

The reason I'm asking is that the Brooks Land's End and John O'Groats panniers look great but are super pricey. But the premium is almost double compared to other Ortleib quality panniers. I'm factoring in that I'm a fan of the aesthetic. These are the first panniers I've found that I think look good and are high rankling in terms of quality and function.

So, what do you consider a reasonable budget for long-lasting, waterproof panniers/handlebar bags for someone who plans on doing lots of touring the rest of their life?
Wow, that's a lot to pay for a single pannier.

I'd go with Ortlieb or if you want lightweight these from Arkel Arkel - Dry-Lites - Ultralite Saddle bags - ONLY 454gr!!
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I would also look into Swift Industries before Brooks. Kind of a cooler company, with nice hard-wearing premium stuff. I'm not sure about how waterproof they are.

Chrome makes some minimalist waterproof bags. Think they're cheaper than the Brooks.

I've seen the Brooks in person and I was unimpressed. The cotton straps look like cheap belts from Old Navy.
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Originally Posted by nun
Wow, that's a lot to pay for a single pannier.

I'd go with Ortlieb or if you want lightweight these from Arkel Arkel - Dry-Lites - Ultralite Saddle bags - ONLY 454gr!!
It's definitely a lot. But I'm super-enticed. They are beautiful, and unfortunately/fortunately I'm willing to pay a premium, almost double, for the cosmetic/aesthetic. I think this may fall under the inexpensive-bike-that-does-the-job vs. expensive-bike-that-is-unnecessarily-expensive category... Or something like that. I don't want to imagine there are two camps, as it's more complex than that. I spent quite a bit on just my rear panniers, trunk and side-bag, but they were quality bags. But they were also an eyesore. With my shiny fancy new touring bike, it would be nice to have something that didn't detract from its beauty.

In any case, it does have me curious... How high have people gone in terms of pannier expenditure? Ortlieb seem to have a good following, and perhaps others swear by the quality and value of expensive panniers? Thought this thread might be valuable to those who might be considering investing in pricey panniers.
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You might also note that it seems like they use Ortlieb mounting hardware.

I usually get the best I can afford, but I would still go with the Orlieb panniers, even if I can afford the Brooks. I believe in this case the only thing that the additional cost buys is a little bling. IMO you are paying for the name.

I also believe in function over form. A black pannier may look cool, but it does not afford much in the way of visibility. I also doubt that Brooks are any more durable than any of the other widely used panniers.

However, personal choices are just that; get the equipment that pleases you.

Just curious, what is your "shiny fancy new touring bike"?

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Originally Posted by mdilthey
I would also look into Swift Industries before Brooks. Kind of a cooler company, with nice hard-wearing premium stuff. I'm not sure about how waterproof they are.

Chrome makes some minimalist waterproof bags. Think they're cheaper than the Brooks.

I've seen the Brooks in person and I was unimpressed. The cotton straps look like cheap belts from Old Navy.
Swift Industries looks like some great bags, and with customizable colours! If they are waterproof, that might clinch it. Price point still less than the premium of the Brooks, and they look great! Not a fan of the connection system, though.

I've heard the cotton straps of the Brooks panniers do leave something to be desired. But perhaps it's not a big issue,unless they aren't durable. I am a fan of the Ortlieb connection system, which seems to be a nice piece of engineering.
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Originally Posted by Doug64
You might also note that it seems like they use Ortlieb mounting hardware.

I usually get the best I can afford, but I would still go with the Orlieb panniers, even if I can afford the Brooks. I believe in this case the only thing that the additional cost buys is a little bling. IMO you are paying for the name.

I also believe in function over form. A black pannier may look cool, but it does not afford much in the way of visibility. I also doubt that Brooks are any more durable than any of the other widely used panniers.

However, personal choices are just that; get the equipment that pleases you.
Thanks Doug! I've definitely been reading reviews. From what I have read, specifically the Tim Moss review, the Brooks are in fact *more* durable than the top of the line Ortliebs. "It is closer to their Plus range than the Classic in that it has a matt finish and looks less plasticy. However, the Brooks panniers are much tougher than either Ortlieb material. The Lands End/John O’Groats material feels really tough against both abrasion and piercing."

As for the colour, I'd be getting the Dessert, which are lighter in colour, are more likely to get dirtier, but I don't mind a little natural *weathering*.

Excellent advice regarding what pleases the person. I'm definitely in that camp. The edge is still Brooks. Ultimately I'm function over form, too, but I don't think there is much compromised in terms of function, and perhaps provides even more durable function.
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Brooks buys Klickfix mounting hardware, so does Carradice ,, the Carradice canvas bags are very Rugged..
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
Brooks buys Klickfix mounting hardware, so does Carradice ,, the Carradice canvas bags are very Rugged..
They definitely had Klickfix, and I think you can still get it as an option if they have the older panniers, but otherwise, it's the Ortlieb QL2 mounting system.

Will look into Carradice!
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Ive seen these in a few stores here in Montreal, and subsequently felt my jaw drop at the price.
Your question clearly is aimed at getting positive opinions on something that you are very tempted to get, but you are certainly honest in saying that the aesthetics of them is the big pull.

re budget, what it comes down to is how much disposable income one has for doo dads in life. When I bought my first pair of Ortliebs in about 93 or 94, they were the only waterproof panniers on the market, and were a bit expensive, especially for me at the time. In the end though, I knew they were very well made, I was going to use them for commuting all the time, ie lots of regular use--so for me they were worth getting simply from a practical point of view. The proof of course is that I used them regularly until a few years ago when I got a new pair, and they are still used enthusiastically by members of my family.

so yes, a well built doohickey can very well be cheaper in the long run, and in this case, yes you are paying much more for the exclusivity of them, the look and all that.

but hey, some people go and drive around in Bentleys for the same reason, but it always comes down to "because they can" (economically).
Of course this touches on the whole consumer society we live in, first world vs third world, living within your means, spending X on something when X could mean setting up a clean operating water well in some village in Y country that could benefit a lot of people for a long time.......all that stuff...

so yes, personally I find them much too expensive for what they are, and would put that money towards a plane ticket or other camping slash bike stuff....but this isn't my decision, its yours.

have fun biking with whatever you use, thats the main thing.
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Originally Posted by rawklobster
They definitely had Klickfix, and I think you can still get it as an option if they have the older panniers, but otherwise, it's the Ortlieb QL2 mounting system.

Will look into Carradice!
The cotton duck Carradice bags are very hard wearing and if they do rip or wear they are very easy to sew up again....unlike the plastic materials used in many bags. I use a Carradice Camper saddle bag (cost $120) and an Ortlieb Classic large handlebar bag ($125). The Ortlieb isn't perfect, but is is a simple way to carry stuff on and off the bike, I don't like all the extra zips and pockets you find on most handlebar bags.
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Originally Posted by rawklobster
They definitely had Klickfix, and I think you can still get it as an option if they have the older panniers, but otherwise, it's the Ortlieb QL2 mounting system.

Will look into Carradice!
All the plastic bits on the outside of many panniers are made by Klickfix (formerly Rixen & Kaul). Ortlieb doesn't make their QL-type mounts, Klickfix does. Nearly identical mounting systems used on Deuter, Brooks, etc.

https://www.klickfix.de/index.php?lang=en

You're wasting money on the Brooks stuff IMO. Ortlieb Classic rollers are way more than adequate, Brooks is just extra bling.

Much more important to many bicyclists, Ortliebs come in bright yellow, red, other hi-viz colors more likely to be noticed by motor vehicle operators (like Doug64 wrote earlier).



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Originally Posted by rawklobster
This is more of a question on how much you'd be willing to spend.
These questions do not have definitive answers. How much someone is willing to spend depends on preferences and means.

First I searched for what seems to perform well (Ortlieb is close to a consensus). Then I hunted for prices. Found a co-branded version for 99 euros a pair.

To me, Brooks makes the best saddle and I had no issue paying for a Flyer. I don't see the same value in their bags. Question of preferences.
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They are nice looking but not that much better looking (IMO) than the Ortieb Plus (cordura) line. They look similar to me. Note that if they are cordura they will likely fade pretty quickly in the sun. There's nothing wrong with caring about the look of your bike and gear if you have the means to do so but there will be a point of diminishing returns as far as quality. Also, don't gloss over the safety issue, that's the most important thing.
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Buy the Brooks, you obviously want them. Nothing wrong with that.
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I have lusted after Arkel for years, though I haven't been able to afford them. I like a lot of pockets---I find it is easier to keep things organized, and in less-then-ideal situations (when you need something in the dark, in the rain, on a sketchy roadside where looking through everything takes too long and risks things falling out and getting left---knowing Item A is in Pocket One is really helpful.

Currently use top-loading waterproof Nashbar cheapies and antique Cannondales with four external pockets and a main front-loading compartment. Front-load with lots of pockets works best for me.
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Originally Posted by djb
Ive seen these in a few stores here in Montreal, and subsequently felt my jaw drop at the price.
Your question clearly is aimed at getting positive opinions on something that you are very tempted to get, but you are certainly honest in saying that the aesthetics of them is the big pull.

re budget, what it comes down to is how much disposable income one has for doo dads in life. When I bought my first pair of Ortliebs in about 93 or 94, they were the only waterproof panniers on the market, and were a bit expensive, especially for me at the time. In the end though, I knew they were very well made, I was going to use them for commuting all the time, ie lots of regular use--so for me they were worth getting simply from a practical point of view. The proof of course is that I used them regularly until a few years ago when I got a new pair, and they are still used enthusiastically by members of my family.

so yes, a well built doohickey can very well be cheaper in the long run, and in this case, yes you are paying much more for the exclusivity of them, the look and all that.

but hey, some people go and drive around in Bentleys for the same reason, but it always comes down to "because they can" (economically).
Of course this touches on the whole consumer society we live in, first world vs third world, living within your means, spending X on something when X could mean setting up a clean operating water well in some village in Y country that could benefit a lot of people for a long time.......all that stuff...

so yes, personally I find them much too expensive for what they are, and would put that money towards a plane ticket or other camping slash bike stuff....but this isn't my decision, its yours.

have fun biking with whatever you use, thats the main thing.
I didn't think my question was aimed at positive opinions. Mine is already positive. I did expect negative opinions, but only regarding price. The quality is certainly unquestionable except in terms of the straps.

My real question was not about the Brooks at all... That was just for context. My real question was how much people budget for panniers. I'm quite positive I'm in the deep end of things, which is in mine with what I'm investing in my bike.

I love that you bring up the balance of consumerism and those who could use the money in the developing world. I donate about 10% of my take-home pay, and save/spend the rest. I wouldn't buy anything if I felt it was a poor investment or a waste of money. That said, a Bentley would be a waste of money. But that could be said of all cars, which are depreciating assets. Not a reason not to buy one, though. If I could afford a Rolls, I'm sure many multiples of that amount would go towards good causes.

Thanks for your reply and insight!
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Originally Posted by seeker333
The plastic fasteners used in many panniers is made by Klickfix (formerly Rixen & Kaul). Ortlieb doesn't make their fasteners, Klickfix does.

Rixen & Kaul, KLICKfix Adaptersysteme Fahrradzubehör, Solingen, Taschen, Körbe, Werkzeug

You're wasting money on the Brooks stuff IMO. Ortlieb Classic rollers are way more than adequate, Brooks is just extra bling.

Much more important to many bicyclists, Ortliebs come in bright yellow, red, other hi-viz colors more likely to be noticed by motor vehicle operators (like Doug64 wrote earlier).



https://www.thetouringstore.com/ORTLI...atched-Set.jpg
I believe fietsbob was referring to the mounting system, not the fasteners. Unsure if the fasteners on the Brooks are Klickfix. They seem custom to the Brooks bags.

I don't disagree about regular Ortliebs being adequate. They undoubtably are! For those who don't care for bling... *grin*

Visibility is important... Definitely something to consider.
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Originally Posted by gauvins
These questions do not have definitive answers. How much someone is willing to spend depends on preferences and means.

First I searched for what seems to perform well (Ortlieb is close to a consensus). Then I hunted for prices. Found a co-branded version for 99 euros a pair.

To me, Brooks makes the best saddle and I had no issue paying for a Flyer. I don't see the same value in their bags. Question of preferences.
I believe I wasn't very clear with my question. I was looking for people to give me a right or wrong answer, but to just share their ideas around what motivates *them* when it comes to buying panniers. Same can be applied to bikes. No frills inexpensive is no more right or wrong than bells and whistles expensive. Just looking for a census, not an answer. *smile*
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Originally Posted by mm718
They are nice looking but not that much better looking (IMO) than the Ortieb Plus (cordura) line. They look similar to me. Note that if they are cordura they will likely fade pretty quickly in the sun. There's nothing wrong with caring about the look of your bike and gear if you have the means to do so but there will be a point of diminishing returns as far as quality. Also, don't gloss over the safety issue, that's the most important thing.
Definitely something I'll need to look at. Flashy bags do serve some value when it comes to safety. Will check out Condura!
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Buy the Brooks, you obviously want them. Nothing wrong with that.
No, definitely nothing wrong with that! But this post has certainly provided me with more options than I was able to find on my own, that are in line with what I am looking for. *smile* Good chance I'll still buy the Brooks. I wasn't really asking whether or not I should buy them. *grin*

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Originally Posted by rawklobster
I believe I wasn't very clear with my question. I was looking for people to give me a right or wrong answer, but to just share their ideas around what motivates *them* when it comes to buying panniers. Same can be applied to bikes. No frills inexpensive is no more right or wrong than bells and whistles expensive. Just looking for a census, not an answer. *smile*
well, your question did have answers! (mine was, for me: 1. performance reviews, 2. shop for best price considering trade-offs, ending at 99 euros (well, 200 for front and back)
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
I have lusted after Arkel for years, though I haven't been able to afford them. I like a lot of pockets---I find it is easier to keep things organized, and in less-then-ideal situations (when you need something in the dark, in the rain, on a sketchy roadside where looking through everything takes too long and risks things falling out and getting left---knowing Item A is in Pocket One is really helpful.

Currently use top-loading waterproof Nashbar cheapies and antique Cannondales with four external pockets and a main front-loading compartment. Front-load with lots of pockets works best for me.
Going to a roll-up is definitely a switch for me. I bought a pair of Axiom bags and they have "modules" and a few waterproof zipper pockets. The bags themselves are waterproof and on the large size. I think they are about 30L each. I bought them because they are short and fit my Trike's rear rack and 20" wheels. They certainly held a lot of stuff.

I'll be selling them, and I don't believe they are available any longer. At least not in the size I bought. I think most people are fine with 45L between the two. 60L is more than most require, but since I can't have front panniers on a Trike, it made sense. And it was before my first tour when I overestimated how much room I would need.
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Originally Posted by gauvins
well, your question did have answers! (mine was, for me: 1. performance reviews, 2. shop for best price considering trade-offs, ending at 99 euros (well, 200 for front and back)
And how!!!

I think this is probably in line with the majority of tourers, considering what's been said thus far.
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Re the actual material, my 20 odd year old ortlieb pluses are their lighter material, and more flexible too. It has held up fairly well, given how much use they've had and how many umpteen times the material has been rolled close. So if the fabric is similar on the brooks, it can be very long lasting. The plus ortliebs come in a grey (I have a pair of grey front roller pluses) and a brown, which you may have seen, which has a similar aesthetic look to the brooks, but I realise the brooks colour is distinctive.
I would give a really good look at the mentioned strap of the brooks, I don't really recall it, just to see if you feel it is well built enough.

On a complete positive side, I've always been very impressed with the ortlieb attachment system, never one issue with it since 94 and thousand upon thousand of times of putting on and taking off and riding on all kinds of roads.
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