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Old 11-19-15, 06:56 PM
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26 or 700 wheels / butterfly handlebar / brakes

Hi,

I am bilding my own touring bike.

I will probably use Surly Long Haul Trucker frame.

For traveling in Noth america and Europe : 26 or 700 wheels ??

Because I want Shimano XT shifter, I will use a butterfly handlebar or a mountain bike straight one. Do you have experience with one of them or both in bike touring ??

At last, for brakes : V-Brake or mecanical disc (XT group) ??

Thanks,

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Old 11-19-15, 08:08 PM
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ISO559 vs ISO622 - depends on your height. Taller, go larger wheels.

Trekking bars - I like them a LOT more than straight bars.

Get the shifters separate from the brake levers. With V-brakes, use Tektro RL740 cross levers to provide two braking positions on a butterfly bar, position the shifters so that you can use them from the front or rear position.

V-brakes with Koolstop Salmon pads - light, less expensive, just as good.
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Old 11-19-15, 09:32 PM
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All your questions really come down to personal preference (i.e., no right or wrong answer), especially if your plans are to tour only in North America and Europe.

My personal preferences:

* 26” (ISO 559mm) wheels are considered universal, so it's easy to source replacement tires, rims and spokes anywhere in the world. But you won't encounter difficulties sourcing these in North America or Europe with 700c. I agree that 26" wheels start looking funny on frames larger than 58 cm, although they still look OK once you install fenders which I highly recommend anyway.

* Handlebars: After having used both, I would favor MTB flat bars with bar ends such as Ergon's GS3. One word of caution: you need to be careful on choosing your LHT frame size with butterfly/flat bars or you risk your fitting being totally off. The LHT's geometry is optimized for drop bars. There are other bikes in the Surly line-up that will work better with flat/butterfly/Jones bars.

* Mechanical disc brakes hands down over V-brakes for me.

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Old 11-20-15, 12:08 AM
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Thanks Nigel and Chris,

I'am not very tall : I need a 54 frame. For this size, the Surly LHT have only 26 wheel. Because I will probably travel in Europe and North america, I would prefer 700 wheel ! Do you think 26 wheels are slower than 700 ? I hesitate to go with 26, and that's bad because I would like the LHT !!
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I've just built custom components on a LHT frame . 26 / butterfly / v-brakes.

Butterfly is preferable to straight MTB handlebars in that the front portion can be used to install accessories (gps / headlight)

As far as brakes are concerned, the frame determines which type you can use. LHT - > v-brakes, Disc trucker -> disc brakes. If you have not yet committed yourself to a frame, then you may agonize over which is best. I've opted for v-brakes but both systems have their advantages. As far as I am concerned, they boil down to rim wear vs simplicity. No meaningful difference in breaking power. I've opted for simplicity.
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Old 11-20-15, 08:12 AM
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Tire width too.. 40, wide on 622/700c is considered narrow in the 559/26"

[I have a 26" wheel Trekking bar equipped .. trekking bike]

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I'd go with butterfly bars over flat bars as well as I find them more comfortable. And I'd go with 26 inch over 700c but this is a really close call. You will get a lot of disagreement but my reason to go with a 26 inch tire is that you can ride a fatter, cushier (read lower pressure) tire on a 26 inch wheel.
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Originally Posted by francoisnewtown View Post
Do you think 26 wheels are slower than 700 ?
Will you be racing with this LHT?

Bike speed is not solely determined by wheel size. In fact, it is almost insignificant. Quality and features of the tires are MUCH bigger factors, let alone the rider's physical condition and bike weight. For instance, you mentioned wanting to use 35mm touring tires or possibly even wider. Highly puncture-resistant tires popular among bike tourers are known to produce significant drag. Since touring is in the opposite of racing, bike tourers prefer these tires that will not leave them often by the side of the road. Having said this, there are a few nice high performance tires available for bikes with 26" wheels, but they are not made for touring with heavy loads and are less puncture-resistant. Life is about pros and cons.

I hesitate to go with 26, and that's bad because I would like the LHT !!
For a 54cm touring bike, 26" wheels is considered a really optimal wheel size. The bike designers at Surly know what they are doing. This wheel size minimizes having the dreaded "toe strike" with the front wheel at low speeds, especially if you will be putting on fenders or really wide tires. 700c just makes this issue worse with smaller frame sizes. For a touring bike, my personal preference is 26” wheels -- no questions about it. My frame size is a virtual 58cm. I also had my bike custom made.

Now, if you are looking for a "fast" bike to race friends on weekends and so on, you will most likely be disappointed in the LHT, regardless of wheel size. It is definitely not that kind of bike.

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26" based on your size
Butterfly bars! - I love them but don't know how well they will work with LHT geometry. My primary hand position is about even with the top cap of my stem. That does not happen with drops or flat bars.
Disc! But get hydraulics. The pads self-adjust for wear and there are no cables to maintain. In the unlikely event that one fails you can replace the entire system with whatever is for sale in the nearest shop
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Chris, I didn't say I want 35mm wheel but I would like a bike in wich it would be possible. Normally, l travel on normal paved road with 700/32-35cm tires. I don't race ! I travel slowly, but I would like to reduced energy lost when it is possiblle. I'm agree with you : tire quality and features are most important factors.

Your point about 26 wheels on small bike like mine is interesting, I understand the advantage, specially with fender !
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Originally Posted by francoisnewtown View Post
Hi,

I am bilding my own touring bike.

I will probably use Surly Long Haul Trucker frame.

For traveling in Noth america and Europe : 26 or 700 wheels ??

Because I want Shimano XT shifter, I will use a butterfly handlebar or a mountain bike straight one. Do you have experience with one of them or both in bike touring ??

At last, for brakes : V-Brake or mecanical disc (XT group) ??

Thanks,

François
Québec
I got a Surly LHT 26in 52cm 2008 with Shimano XT SL-M770 Shifters 9speed google the Shimano XT SL-M770 Shifter 9 speed or at Jenson USA - Online mountain & road bike parts, clothing and accessories shop | Jenson USA or Price Point

I am using Raceface Ride XC flat mtn handlebars
I am also using Avid Single digit 7 V-Brakes with Koolstop pads and Avid Speed dial brake levers
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If the choice was butterfly or flat, I also would go with butterfly. I ran my bike with swept back, Albatross bars for many years and liked them very much, more than my trekking bars. I dislike flat bars a lot.

I have used disc and v-brakes. I think with good pads, both are acceptable, but my v-brakes eventually wore through my rim, forcing me to replace my wheel. V-brakes also vary in their effectiveness based on whether they are wet or dry. Disc brakes are more consistent. Given the option, I would use disc brakes. Given a bike that didn't accommodate disc brakes, I would have no qualms about using v-brakes.

700 vs. 26. I just switched from a bike that is made for 700 to a bike that is made to run 26. Unfortunately, I'm still using my 700c wheels on the new bike, so I can't speak directly to the difference between the two, but I have ridden a number of bikes with 20" wheels, some of them I've ridden what might pass for a daily touring distance. They each get the job done, but I find the wider the tire, and the larger the tire, the more comfortable. I'm sure that's only true up to a point. And I don't think the comfort between comparably wide wheels of different sizes is severe enough to make you insist on size vs. another. If I were buying my LHT again, I would have to consider the 26" just to get the ability to run a wider tire. I'm currently building up a 26" wheel set because it will pack more easily. I don't anticipate going back to the 700c set again unless I need to do repairs on the 26" set.

My feeling is: make all the other decisions first, then get the largest tire that fits all the other parameters. In this case, wide trumps tall, and I'd likely go with a 26" so I could run them wider.
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At your frame size, 700c could result in a lot of toe overlap depending on model and make of frame. Noting wrong with 26 inch wheels for touring, I have toured with both and probably will use 26 inch for most of my future touring. I take a frame size of 58 to 61, so at that height 700c is more common. But I did not like the toe overlap I had on my 700c LHT.
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Popular LHT continues to sell well .. big money maker for QBP.



I like my 20" wheel Bike friday travel bike.. smaller wheels even more rugged. Have 47 wide tires on it and my 26"


advantage: it packs smaller to get within the 62" girth of air carriers to skirt oversize fees..

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