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Old 12-26-15, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug64 View Post
I'm pretty sure you won't understand it; but some of actually enjoyed our jobs, and felt we were providing good stewardship for the world we live in.
I do understand it quite well. Do you understand what I said. Let me make it more simple for you...

If you had to work at your job, you had your dwelling paid for, for you and you had food on the table and clothes on your back, nothing fancy, just the necessities only...no fancy car, no high status. That's all you had from the job...nothing else. No income of any kind. No cell phone, no TV, no computer, no technology of any kind. If these were the conditions you had your whole life, everything taken care of but no paycheck...all you ever had hope for was the same as what you have right now. Would you still do the same job? Is it really about the love of the job or is it about the status about the things you buy with the money that the job brings in.

Take a look around your house and ask yourself a question...if I was the last person left alive on the planet would these things I have mean anything to me. Would the fancy car, fancy clothing, fancy house, etc mean anything to you. Would all the lavish vacations, bucket list items, etc mean anything to you. Think hard about it and you might be surprised to find the true answer. Then ask yourself another question...what would mean something to me. How would you really be wanting to spend your time? All your needs are met just like above. Everything is provided for you...what would you be doing if you were the last person left alive on the planet. Would you still want that same job...would you still be wanting to do that same thing you currently do.

I realize people get caught up in games and they comfortable under the scenario they are placed in. They get so used to it that they don't ever stop to think about anything else even though they truly, deep down inside, don't like what they are doing. They know nothing else so that have to stick with what they are already doing. They have never bothered to stop and ask themselves what truly brings them happiness. It's not about other people...it's about you, you're the one living in your shoes.

Okay enough philosophy for now
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Originally Posted by bikenh View Post
If you have a desk job where you sit on your arse all day long....

Where's that EMP attack when we need one so darn bad. People will learn how to relive life once the EMP attack hits.
I will have you know that I get up from my desk quite frequently.

And so I guess Gill Scott Herron was correct: The revolution will not be televised.

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Originally Posted by bikenh View Post
I do understand it quite well. Do you understand what I said. Let me make it more simple for you...

If you had to work at your job, you had your dwelling paid for, for you and you had food on the table and clothes on your back, nothing fancy, just the necessities only...no fancy car, no high status. That's all you had from the job...nothing else. No income of any kind. No cell phone, no TV, no computer, no technology of any kind. If these were the conditions you had your whole life, everything taken care of but no paycheck...all you ever had hope for was the same as what you have right now. Would you still do the same job? Is it really about the love of the job or is it about the status about the things you buy with the money that the job brings in.

Take a look around your house and ask yourself a question...if I was the last person left alive on the planet would these things I have mean anything to me. Would the fancy car, fancy clothing, fancy house, etc mean anything to you. Would all the lavish vacations, bucket list items, etc mean anything to you. Think hard about it and you might be surprised to find the true answer. Then ask yourself another question...what would mean something to me. How would you really be wanting to spend your time? All your needs are met just like above. Everything is provided for you...what would you be doing if you were the last person left alive on the planet. Would you still want that same job...would you still be wanting to do that same thing you currently do.

I realize people get caught up in games and they comfortable under the scenario they are placed in. They get so used to it that they don't ever stop to think about anything else even though they truly, deep down inside, don't like what they are doing. They know nothing else so that have to stick with what they are already doing. They have never bothered to stop and ask themselves what truly brings them happiness. It's not about other people...it's about you, you're the one living in your shoes.

Okay enough philosophy for now
please start a thread on being a touring nomad based in NH for under 7k a year. outline as much as you can, like a 'how to' guide.
very very curious.

i'm also really curious what you do for living arrangements. whats your grocery budget. bike repair budget. gear / gear repair budget, etc.
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Unabomber in 'da house!
It's worse than that. Far worse:



BTW....Anyone think that a certain someone's tone sounds like another certain someone's tone?
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I do understand it quite well. Do you understand what I said. Let me make it more simple for you.
I seriously doubt it; and you don't have to make it simpler for me! I do understand what you are saying, just don't agree with it.
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Edit: It appears he removed his own question and reasked it only leaving a few things out from the original question I got when it got emailed to me by the moderator.

And I will fess this summer was hard coming home. I got so darn use to being on the road and the road life that I didn't really want to come home. I could easily live the lifestyle of a road junkie. I guess after thru-hiking the AT it does help one to get use to living on next to nothing. This year just infused it much more so. It was a bit scary how use to the lifestyle of living/riding on the road that I got. I couldn't have ever imagined that happening. Not a chance.
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To answer a question that doesn't appear here, obviously been removed. Poster of the removed questioned, either by him or moderator would have been bmike.

I own my own house out right. I paid less for it than I did for the last car that I owned. It's a 468 sq ft shack. Nothing fancy, 4 walls a ceiling and a floor. Don't need anymore than that. Quite frankly I could live in a much smaller house without trying. Most of the house is just used to store junk. I actually live in and only heat during the winter months about 50 sq ft of it. The rest is unheated since I don't live in it.

The property taxes come in between 800-900 a year. With no mortgage or rent to have to deal with makes it quite easy. My only other expenses quite frankly are food and the bike.

Gee, a limited cell phone plan. I only pay $80 a year for cell service. Get a tracfone and use it. Much cheaper. Not the $40 a month that you claim. Then again, when you have no freedom because you are connected all the time it makes things rather difficult to avoid the $40/month for the cell phone. I pretty much never carry the cell phone on me. I don't want people to be interrupting me all the time. Granted very few people have my phone number anyways and the ones that do are typically only trying to call at one time of the year so that makes it quite easy to leave it turned off at home all the time.

Again, I don't own a car so I have no car payments(gas, insurance, repairs, registration, parking/toll fees, etc).

I've been out of high school for 25 years this coming spring and two years of tech school so yeah, no education expenses to be paid.

Food budget prior to taking up full time biking was around 1000-1200/year...now it's more like twice that amount. Not because of price inflation but because of calorie intake inflation.

The bike, this year(thanks to buying a new, never sold out of the bike shop, 2010 Specialized Secteur) and the extras(rack, fender) and the extras expenses I shouldn't have had with it during the bike trip this summer, has brought the bike expenses pretty much up to level with the food expenses. Like I said earlier, definitely the most expensive year I've had in quite a few years. I've been averaging $5900 a year since I gave up driving(Jan 2010-Dec 2014...gave up driving at the end of April 2010). Ever since I moved up here to NH, nowhere near family, all in the midwest(hence why I got started in going on bike trips in the first place was to go and visit them) I had been averaging $9700/year in expenses through the end of last year(Jan 2001-Dec 2014). Giving up driving saved me a fortune. Good thing it happened when it did since the car was going bye-bye when I gave up driving. I had seen the car expenses were 40% of the money I was spending annually at the end of 2009 and decided enough was enough. By the time the registration ran out on the car in 2010 the head gasket was leaking and the tranny axle bearings were going as well. I puppied the car through the end of the winter and parked it...proudly. Wish I would have did that a long time ago. I could have saved myself a fortune in the 20 or so years that I was stupid enough to have a drivers license.

I haven't been to a movie theater since 1997 and prior to that it goes all the way back in the mid to late 1980s. I don't own a TV so I have no reason to rent movies or have a cable/satellite TV bill. I don't have landline phone. My electric bill generally runs, now since I closed the house up and started using electric heat versus propane that I used to use, around 3-400 a year, previously it was only 150 a year, most of that just for being hooked up to the grid $12.50+ a month just to be hooked to the grid. No water/sewage bill.

Yeah, I live the cheap life. I don't try to impress anybody but myself. I'm the one living in my shoes, not someone else. It's me that matters not them. When you try to impress the right PERSON, notice I didn't say people, it can make a real big difference in your life.

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Originally Posted by bikenh View Post
To answer a question that doesn't appear here, obviously been removed. Poster of the removed questioned, either by him or moderator would have been bmike.



Yeah, I live the cheap life. I don't try to impress anybody but myself. I'm the one living in my shoes, not someone else. It's me that matters not them. When you try to impress the right PERSON, notice I didn't say people, it can make a real big difference in your life.
i deleted it because it was a half formed thought, thought i hit 'go advanced' to preview it, and it posted.

but that last sentence is key.
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but that last sentence is key.
Did you mean my last sentence or your last one in the deleted post. Unfortunately I already deleted the message if you were talking about your deleted post.
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Did you mean my last sentence or your last one in the deleted post. Unfortunately I already deleted the message if you were talking about your deleted post.
"I'm the one living in my shoes, not someone else. It's me that matters not them. When you try to impress the right PERSON, notice I didn't say people, it can make a real big difference in your life."
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Wow, this thread has taken some turns! Debunking OP's mileage fantasies, interesting lifestyle choices, maybe some more mileage fantasies, live free or die.... It's got a life of it's own.
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Wow, this thread has taken some turns! Debunking OP's mileage fantasies, interesting lifestyle choices, maybe some more mileage fantasies, live free or die.... It's got a life of it's own.
Interesting how calling someone out = debunking in your eyes. How can anyone on here possibly debunk that claim considering they do not know me or follow me around day to day?

I'll go a head and paste what I deleted in the last post. I don't expect it to convince anyone since no one here likes me, believes me, or wants me in this forum, but here you go:
Well if you guys want this thread to be about my mileage, so be it.

2014 I switched to bike commuting full time except for emergencies. I rode my bike 352 days out of 2015 so far.

January of 2015 I got my first road bike. The same one that, if you search my post history, you'll see I was told was unsuitable for touring.

The mileage eas way higher than I expected. I would have gussed around 8,000 but I wasn't keeping track. Here is the breakdown:


Touring

In 2015 I did 3 medium length tours, and tons of weekend trips and overnighters. At least two per month.

I did South Carolina to Ohio twice, to visit friends in my old home town. Roughly 720 miles for the route I took, so we are already at 1400 miles.

I did Texas to North Carolina, taking a primarily coastal route that totalled 1400 miles. We're now at 2800 miles.

Many of the overnighters and weekend trips were back to back centuries, they would easily total a conservative 200 miles a month, with many overnighters being over 200 miles alone. I think in the bragging rights thread I estimated 3000 touring miles, but I'm typing this from my phone and don't care enough to look. Lets just call it 3500 touring miles, which is less than the truth.

Commuting

Currently we have 3500 miles for 2015 from touring.

In 2015 I did not work the same job the entire year. I switched my full time job, and worked a second job for a month or two at different times of the year. My shortest commute to any of these jobs was a 6.5 mile round trip. My longest commute to a job was 25 miles round trip.

I commuted by bicycle full time in 2015, and I do not call off more than once or twice a year. Lets assume I took a month off commuting for touring purposes, so I will calculate 11 months of commuting 6.5 miles 6 days a week to be roughly 1700, which is rounded down from the real figure.

5200 miles now.

Now that second job that was 25 miles RT I did for a month, but only five days a week. 25x5x4=500, 5700 miles now.

January through August I commuted to a weight training gym a minimum of five days per week, often seven days per week. Lets go with five, to again be conservative. This gym was 5 miles away, so 10 miles round trip. 10x5x4x7=1400.

7100 miles now.

September I switched to a rock climbing gym because it sounded more fun. The closest one, unfortunately, was 25 miles away, 50 mile RT. Because of their location, their hours and my work schedule, I only went 2 or 3 times per week. Lets figure that for 4 months, twice per week. 50x2x4x4=1600.

8700 miles.

My two best friends live 15 miles away, or 30 miles RT. I visit them once a week or so, but lets again be conservative and say twice monthly. 30x2x11=660.

9360.

My girlfriend lives across the state line, 32 miles RT. I visit her at least three times per week. For the sake of being conservative, lets pretend I visited her 19 times last year, round it down and call it an even 10k.

10000 miles.

Pleasure / group rides

I don't really enjoy group rides. I've done enough of them to get a feel for riding in a pace line, to learn etiquette, and to make sure I'm able to keep up with seasoned riders. I'd estimate I did 250 miles worth in three states, which is a little conservative since I can accurately track this stat.

10250 miles.

Cycling became my main hobby in 2015. I gave up being a sponsored athlete another field and shut down my youtube channel with over a million views to dedicate more time towards something I came to love more. I'm also someone who has no children, no pets, minimal bills, and the ability to dedicate my free time as I choose. I'm also in exceptional physical shape and go balls deep into a new hobby when I fall in love with it. I was playing disc golf 8 hours a day five days a week when I got into it, for example. So when I say I did around 200 pleasure miles a week on average, and a minimum of two centuries a month, that's definitely an understatement. These pleasure rides are counted seperately from commutes to work, friends etc., and the overnight tours etc.

200x4x11=8800. Lets round down to 8000 to be conservative.

18250 miles, being super conservative.

Of course I just typed all of this out on a smartphone and made up all of these figures to impress a bunch of people I don't know who think I'm a clown.

All of this ignores that I would often take longer routes home from where I commuted to.

This isn't the first time this has happened. On disc golf forums if you sleuth around enough you can find posts I made where I said I learned how to throw a putter 300' in a few months. Everyone called bull**** because a lot of people never learn how to throw drivers 300', much less a putter. I posted videos to prove them wrong. Would that I could do the same now, but unfortunately the best I can do is post the touring videos I make.

It just gets old constantly being doubted just because I happen to excel above the baseline average.

Originally removed that post because I thought the thread had taken a much more interesting turn and wanted to see it continue.

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So the general consensus of many cycle touring message boards seems to be "I don't like UL bike tourists because they're evangelists that think they know the only right way to tour, and never fail to tell other people how to do things."

Which is something that I've personally never witnessed. (I'm sure it has happened at some point though).
Your approach is very odd and seems devoted to seeking conflicts. The consensus you speak of was not validated in your previous thread yet you go on to speak of it it while not experiencing it. This thread is as unhinged from reality as the last one.
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Old 12-26-15, 07:57 PM
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18250 miles, being super conservative.
It doesn't take a lot to add up a lot of miles pretty darn fast. I know it from personal experience myself. Commuting miles can give you a ton of miles real fast if you are dedicated to bike commuting and live a far ways away from where you work. Like I said I know of a guy who rode 62 miles round trip each day to work. He attempted RAAM twice while he was still living on the west side of Chicago before he moved to San Franny and his commute got dramatically cut. He still bike commutes daily and does several ultra races each year. You just have to be the kind of person who will do it no matter what. Get rid of the car and your life will change. You will start to see things in a whole new perspective and you will make it happen since you have no other choice. The car is just too much of a hinderence for most people. It was for me until I did the math and saw much money I was hemorraging(sp?) to the darn thing. Then I woke up...thankfully. Now a mile is a mile. For me anymore if it isn't at least three days away from here(125-150 miles per day) it's only a short hop, skip and jump. For me to go down to Annapolis to watch the finish of RAAM anymore is just a short hop, skip and jump. Once your mind gets reconditioned into how far some place really is from you then your mind changes and you see things from a whole perspective. I remember back in 2012, I was about to go on a ride down to Manchester, NH and back(90 miles roundtrip). I wouldn't drive down there...to far away and no reason for going down. I think I had only ever been in Manchester a couple of times prior to giving up driving...I'd lived up here for 10 years prior to giving up driving. Right before leaving I remember making the joking statement, "It's just a short hop, skip and jump." That's when I knew I had been doing WAY too much biking. Last summer on the second trip over into eastern NY I found myself using the same comment for the 117 mile trip over to Ticonderoga, NY. Now I use the statement for a trip down to Annapolis. I was seriously thinking about doing the ride down this year(2015) straight through, non-stop. Do to several things I didn't and instead it ended up being a 510 mile/3 day ride down. Yeah, I would consider again doing it non-stop...why not...it's just a short hop, skip and jump.

60 mile a day average isn't all that hard, even when working all day. Just learn to be more structured with your time and you get a lot more done then you could otherwise. People waste so much time...especially in this day and age of the internet and social media. Stop and take a look at how much time you waste each day and I think you will be shocked. How much more time could you have for doing the things you would much rather be doing if other people didn't matter so darn much. Stop keeping up with the Joneses and win the game of life.
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.....Of course I just typed all of this out on a smartphone and made up all of these figures to impress a bunch of people I don't know who think I'm a clown......
ok. now i believe you.
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Very true bikenh.

Some days I catch myself spending 3 or 4 hours in a single day just sitting around reading stuff and posting on different message boards relevant to my hobbies. Time can fly by pretty fast without even realizing it. In that same time frame I could do 60 miles. Most people spend that much time per day watching TV. Like you, I also don't watch TV. Simply because there's other things I'd rather do.

If you're married, supporting a family, working 60 hours a week plus running your kids to school and athletic practices etc, 60 miles a day sounds completely unreasonable. But I do 60 miles just going to and from work, grabbing lunch, then visiting my girlfriend. I don't have to go out of my way at all.

I've been driving the past few days because I've been very sick. Its ridiculous to me having to pay 10$ a day in gas just to get around. If I want to go to work, hang out with my buddy who lives north of me, then drive over to my girlfriends to spend the night, that's easily 10$ right there. It feels absurd after bike commuting full time. I like keeping my car around for emergencies, but I'm very close to getting rid of it. I'm with you....the costs of gas, insurance, registration etc. is just silly to me after seeing how practical bike commuting is.
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Simmer down people.

If you read the mileage summaries with Jon Lovitz's voice it is more fun. Yeah, that's the ticket!
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I try to be one of those who provide info and suggestions without judgement and hope that I am successful most of the time. It would be nice if everyone on both sides of the house tried to do that. These choices are a personal preference thing after all.
You have been, at least for me, of great help on several occasions both here and the ACA forums
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For about 4 weeks before the start of my last tour I was working a full time job 07:30-16:00, and doing some training for my tour, about 800km(500mi) a week, if I continued with that for a year it would work out to be 41600km(26000mi) a year.

In saying that, I had no time for anything else. and I would not have wanted continue riding that many km for any longer, it became more like a chore.

All I'm saying it is possible, but no one would want to ride that much and have a full time job, unless they had no life outside of cycling.
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Having a life isn't something I'll claim anytime soon

In all seriousness, riding fast helped. I try to ride as fast as possible on my commutes to work, and most pleasure rides I'm averaging 17mph+. That lets me fit more miles into a day. Shortest route from my girls house to my work is 15.5 miles and I do it in 42-50 minutes, etc.

That 1400 mile tour I did took two weeks. Ten centuries back to back.
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I think it's hilarious that the OP is saying he's never heard UL Tourers tell others how to tour, when not only did I post a comment of his where he is doing just that, but now bikenh has taken the game to a whole new level, not only do we not know how to tour correctly, but we are living our entire lives incorrectly
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Originally Posted by psy
I think it's hilarious that the OP is saying he's never heard UL Tourers how to tour, when not only did I post a comment of his where he is doing just that, but bow bikenh has taken the game to a whole new level, not only do we not know how to tour correctly, but we are living our entire lives incorrectly
I hope english isn't your first language.
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Originally Posted by Buffalo Buff View Post
I hope english isn't your first language.
yeah, what ultralightevagelismdude sez!

you don know how ta bicycle tour, and you don't know how to dress,
and you don't know the grammers.....oh, and ya got a funny haircut, too!
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Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
yeah, what ultralightevagelismdude sez!

you don know how ta bicycle tour, and you don't know how to dress,
and you don't know the grammers.....oh, and ya got a funny haircut, too!

TIL saying "Who brings a pillow on a tour " is being an evangelical telling everyone how to tour and how to live their lives.
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