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Squeezebox 02-13-16 08:34 AM

Therma Rest is a very popular brand. The xlite is R 3.2, the xtherm is R 5.7 and much noiser. Either weighs about 1 lb. You have to decide on the 20" or the 25". The 25" is also a bit longer. Below freezing most hikers will also put a closed cell foam pad under the air mattress. Therma rest also makes a nice little battery powered air pump for blowing up their air mattresses, 3 oz. If you stay above 40* the xlite should work for you.

PhilPub 02-13-16 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by djb (Post 18533239)
Phil, one of the nice things about this trip down the coast is that there is lots of info on it. Its been over 20 yrs since I did it, but even then this book was around,

Bicycling the Pacific Coast: A Complete Route Guide, Canada to Mexico: Vicky Spring, Tom Kirkendall: 9780898869545: Books - Amazon.ca

Thanks for the tips, djb. I've done a fair bit of research already (but plenty more to do, I'm sure) and have purchased the book, along with the ACA route maps. Vancouver I'm familiar with so looking forward to visiting again. Along the way, Seattle and Portland will be new territory, but we're barely passing through before the actual cycling starts, so I'll probably have to go back.

Tourist in MSN 02-13-16 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by djb (Post 18533239)
... the distances between campgrounds was never much more than about 100km or 60 miles.(ish)

... You will notice that there are lots of panhandlers, people asking for money, the climate of california means there are more homeless people in general, so just be aware and being from London, just use your common sense of being aware of your surroundings....

... having a mirror is especially important ...

Agree on the campgrounds. We planned to motel it about one out of three nights, but we have exceptional weather and only stayed in a motel once, that was in Eureka where there were not many campgrounds to stay at. (There was a KOA near Eureka, but after state parks, we were not enthusiastic about a KOA.)

We also saw a couple homeless staying in the hiker biker sites, prevalence of that increased the further south we got, I suspect that was because it was drier further south. A couple times I mentioned them to park staff, once they kicked them out of the park.

Mirror, totally agree. The guy I tour with uses one that clips onto his sunglasses or regular glasses. I use a Third Eye one that clamps onto the visor of my mountain bike type helmet, but it only works on the left side of the helmet (we drive on the right side) so if you got that it would be worthless to you when you get home. The one I use is called the: Third EyeŽ Hardshell Helmet Mirror (03) at: Third EyeŽ Mirrors

berner 02-13-16 10:25 AM

I use a thermarest self inflatable pad, 1" thick) for summer and a 1+" thick pad supplemented with a thermarest foam pad during winter for hiking. In fine weather cycling, the self inflatable is more than adequate and folds up very small. This pad is 50" long. No need for a full length pad. I work very hard to keep weights down, both on the bike of on a backpacking outing.

djb 02-13-16 11:11 AM

The take-a-look mirror easily swivels in all directions and works on either side of helmet or glasses. I've used mine on my helmet brim for at least 5 years, I commute daily and its been banged around loads of times and is no worse for wear.
For a Brit or anyone with the possibility of riding on different sides of the road, it has a clear advantage, and the traveling two review exactly reflects (sic) my 5 years using one regularly in very busy riding environments.

gauvins 02-13-16 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by LlamaBikes (Post 18529452)
Any thoughts on r-value and any other suggestions on new pads appreciated.

I wouldn't think that the R-value for a trip like what you have in mind would be critical.

1. The major advantage of a Neo air is its small volume (roughly a soda can) when deflated. I have a small Neo Xlite that I use as a torso-length pad on hiking trips.
2. Another benefit is that you can carry an inflatable inside your panniers. It means that your pad will be dry even in you ride or break camp in a downpour (a closed cell will usually be exposed to the elements)

3. There is a very significant price penalty if you choose an inflatable.
4. You may want to carry a patch to repair unlikely but possible punctures.
5. You'll spend a couple of minutes every day inflating/deflating

6. I was worried about the bag-of-chips sound that comes form the neo-air if you toss in your sleeping bag. I either got used to it or it actually gets fainter over time. Not an issue for me

As far as I am concerned, the critical variable is volume. I prefer the neo-lite.

Tourist in MSN 02-13-16 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by gauvins (Post 18534308)
...
As far as I am concerned, the critical variable is volume. ...

On that point I really agree, my last tour I brought an air mattress instead of pad because the air mattress was more compact when rolled up. It weighed a bit more than the pad I use for backpacking but the volume was more important to me because I wanted it inside a pannier.

LlamaBikes 02-15-16 12:15 PM

I'm really starting to think about the benefits of not having to store our sleeping pads on the top of the rear rack which will leave room for other things... Thanks for the thoughts all, will probably pick up a neo air unless the sales staff at MEC can convince me otherwise.

Another question - does anyone have experience with neo airs or similar and hammocks? I've got a Hennessy and have not found an ideal pad or under layer of some sort for it yet.

Tourist in MSN 02-15-16 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by LlamaBikes (Post 18538472)
I'm really starting to think about the benefits of not having to store our sleeping pads on the top of the rear rack which will leave room for other things... ...

That is a big reason why I made the switch to air mattresses, more compact.

djb 02-15-16 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN (Post 18538602)
That is a big reason why I made the switch to air mattresses, more compact.

heck, even 25 years ago there were thermorests that were not as thick, and could be folded in half before rolling up.Mmine was a full length lightweight one, still the self inflating ones, and my wife had a 3/4 length one, even more compact. I always put in in a pannier along with my sleeping bag., kept only tent on rack.
They were pretty slim, so not great at all for sleeping on your side, this is what I like so much about the neoair type ones, I can sleep on my side fairly comfortably, and depending on how much air you put it, you can set the firmness of it, for me it works great.

staehpj1 02-15-16 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by djb (Post 18529570)
My neoair basic early model is crinkly but with my sleeping bag on top, it doesn't bother me. It might bother other people who are more sound sensitive but compared to other sounds in the tent, plus just being so tired after a days ride has meant it's not been an issue. It's possible the newer ones are quieter.
Just remember trying one in a store will be louder without a sleeping bag on it.
As for r factor, whatever mine is (probably very middling) it's been fine in the temps I've camped at, lowest maybe 5c?

I have the NeoAir xLite and it has been fine for the occasional sub freezing night. I have been OK for a pretty cold night (18 F), but it wasn't winter so the ground wasn't all that cold despite the night time air temp. For real winter camping you probably want something warmer unless you supplement it with a thin foam pad in the winter. I think that I'd use mime with a z-lite pad if I wanted to winter camp.

It is quieter than my older original model NeoAir, but neither ever bothered me with the noise. When I camped with others they said it didn't bother them, but I don't move much while I am sleeping.

TGT1 02-15-16 03:27 PM

Never had a problem being cold with a 1" Thermarest even on ski tours in the Sierra or 1/2" Insolite on climbing trips.

The bag and your metabolic rate make the difference. I've been cold when either of those were insufficient, but never from a pad.

One trick is carry about a 16"-18" square of Insolite to put under your feet if you are using a 3/4 length pad.

It also doubles as a dry, warm place to sit or a pad under the stove to keep it from melting out a hole, if you can't find a suitable rock to put it on.

djb 02-15-16 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by TGT1 (Post 18538915)
Never had a problem being cold with a 1" Thermarest even on ski tours in the Sierra or 1/2" Insolite on climbing trips.

The bag and your metabolic rate make the difference. I've been cold when either of those were insufficient, but never from a pad.

One trick is carry about a 16"-18" square of Insolite to put under your feet if you are using a 3/4 length pad.

It also doubles as a dry, warm place to sit or a pad under the stove to keep it from melting out a hole, if you can't find a suitable rock to put it on.

I used to use, and still have, a square section of blue closed foam cut out from an old blue sleeping pad, that I woiuld throw into my knapsack when going out cross country skiing where we would stop for lunch or whatever. It weighed nothing but you wouldnt get a cold or wet bum sitting on the snow. I actually had cut it out originally as a back protector for when I used to go karting at these indoor karting places, and the seats would hurt my back, so I took that and it helped a lot with not getting a bruised back from sliding around against the hard seat in corners. Fun as heck, but pretty expensive.

Doug64 02-16-16 12:01 AM

This is a Thermarest Prolite 4. I believe it has an R factor of 3.2. It is good for winter conditions and is the same pad we carry for bike tours.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/y..._Camping-2.jpg

MoulTommy 02-28-16 03:43 PM

There is a simple formula that will answer your question. U x A x Delta T = btu/hr of heat transfer.
U: U-factor (the inverse if R-value)
A: area
Delta T: temperature difference between the inside of your sleeping bag and the ground temperature.

Squeezebox 02-28-16 04:07 PM

I thought you said simple formula??


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