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Old 04-19-16, 03:17 PM
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Touring Without a Smart Phone

I'll be going on a self-supported tour and was looking to upgrade to a smart phone for the trip. However, after looking at my options such technology and their data plans are out of my price range. I'm already bringing a laptop and camera so the only thing I was planning to use it for was to find a grocery store when I roll into town or to check my GPS position every once in a while to make sure I'm still on route. For navigation I'll be using ACA maps and whatever paper maps I pick up on the way. I've feel that a normal car GPS would help me find points of interest in town, but would not work for staying on the ACA route. A bike GPS would be a better option for staying on route, but would be useless for finding anything that wasn't pre programed in. Plus, these units all seem to be very expensive as well.

I've been looking into USB GPS units such as this . Does anyone have any experience with these or have any other recomendations?
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I've toured for years the old fashioned way, using maps, and asking for local info when I roll into a town. If I were to carry a smart phone on a bike trip, it's sole purpose would be to stay in touch with home without relying on pay phones (if they still exist).

Perversely, I prefer to be less informed and prepared when I travel, because it increases my interaction with locals, which is one of the reasons I tour in the first place.

If I wanted total self reliance, I might as well get a car, crank up the windows and run the A/C so I don't have to talk to anybody.
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+1, I have Yet to Own One and rode on many tours before they became so widespread.

Paper Map , compass if needed, & talking to the locals , even if they don't speak English .

More than to ask "do You Like Elvis?"


I Bought Maps , when I rode off the edge of one I'd Buy another .

My regret , I did Not read enough Books of the History of the places I was riding through.

Then again talking to the locals helped there too..

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Originally Posted by RedandBlack
I'll be going on a self-supported tour and was looking to upgrade to a smart phone for the trip. However, after looking at my options such technology and their data plans are out of my price range.
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May have to wait a bit for a special on a phone, though. I paid $30 including setup charge for a Kyocera Hydro Icon, (bonus: water resistant so I don't have to panic when it starts raining and I've got it on the handlebar mount) and my monthly is $48 for unlimited talk, text and data, though data after the first 3GB/mo is throttled. Could save a few bucks by dropping that to 1GB unthrottled, and IIRC, I had to do one month of a different plan initially with limited data before I could change to this plan. Not a top of the line phone, but it does fine with MapMyRide and other riding apps. Also, I think https://woot.com sometimes has deals on higher end phones with FreedomPop SIMs.

Only real PITA is carrying enough power when you're not charging all night every night, but that's a problem with any smartphone. IMO, 2-3 mid size "pocket power packs" should get you through a full day with a GPS app running and have enough left to limp through another day with occasional GPS use if you don't get to charge one night.

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If you have a laptop, you really do not need a smartphone. I use a GPS that uses AA batteries, I carry a AA charger and rechargeable AA batteries.

My vintage flip phone works great as a phone, my last tour I used it so little that I never needed to charge it in 37 days, but I always left it off unless I wanted to make a call.

I used to carry a netbook, but switched to a 7 inch android tablet instead. (But on one trip I brought a 4.7 inch screen smartphone without a sim card, used it only as a wifi device.) Something that you can use on wifi for checking e-mail, news, make reservations, etc., can be convenient in a restaurant that has wifi.



I have not always had the best luck finding grocery stores with the GPS databases or GPS apps on my tablet. But if you are on a route mapped by ACA, hopefully your maps will provide the information you need.
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I have never toured with a phone, smart or dumb. Getting away from phones is one of the main reasons I go bicycling. Not knowing exactly what is around the next corner or in the next town is another.
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Originally Posted by andrewclaus
I have never toured with a phone, smart or dumb. Getting away from phones is one of the main reasons I go bicycling. Not knowing exactly what is around the next corner or in the next town is another.
Same with me..
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Originally Posted by RedandBlack
I'll be going ...
Osmand, Locus and other GPS Nav software use offline maps that you download beforehand - cell connection and data are not required. Will work on most smartphones/tablets. Update maps as you go over any WiFi connection.
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Last year I left the phone at home and plan to do the same thing again this year. No need for it out on the open road. Granted I never have a phone on me even when around home...I typically only even have my phone turned on 3-4 days a year.

One option is to buy a Tracfone. They have a new smartphone that will allow you to hook up to wifi. One of the guys I ride with locally bought one and mostly use free wifi with it and has all the stinky crapps downloaded on it to allow him to track himself, yadda, yadda, yadda.
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Originally Posted by bikenh
One option is to buy a Tracfone.
That's what I use. $20 buys me 3 months of time with minimal usage. Buy a double minutes flip phone and go online (search for Tracfone promotion codes) to find further discounts when you need to add time. Avoid their triple minutes touch screen models. Not familiar with newer models mentioned above by bikenh, but past models were bad.

I supplement that with an ipod Touch for wi-fi internet access. All the features of an iphone without the phone and monthly data fees.

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Good to know I'm not the only one. Everyone looks at me like I'm crazy for not having a smart phone let alone touring without one. Some of the Western Express and Great Divide will probably be tricky without a GPS, but I figure that's half the fun. Then again, I prob won't be getting a signal in the areas that I need it anyways.
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Originally Posted by RedandBlack
Good to know I'm not the only one. Everyone looks at me like I'm crazy for not having a smart phone let alone touring without one. Some of the Western Express and Great Divide will probably be tricky without a GPS, but I figure that's half the fun. Then again, I prob won't be getting a signal in the areas that I need it anyways.
Have you looked at Freetone? I have the iOS app, but there is also an Android version. With it I can make free phone calls to any phone number using VoIP. Of course, you need to find a wi-fi hotpoint, but considering how ubiquitous McDonalds are this should not pose too onerous a requirement--assuming that you don't have an emergency.
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you could use libraries' computers.
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Right after my last post I received a message from imgur of a bicyclist crossing the country, note the tracphone: So... I'm going for a bike ride - Album on Imgur
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I have a "dumb" flip phone. I stays charged for two weeks, is water/shook proof, and doesn't have roaming charges so I think I'll stick with that.
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I am old guy myself. Was a grown man with a grown son well before cell phones (let alone smart phones) were a real option. But I can't imagine discarding the use of a smart phone today.... for any activity.
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One can buy cheap used GPS-capable phones or GPS devices w/o paying for phone/data plan. Fancy bike-touring GPS devices are limited & over-priced. I like paper maps & cue sheets but GPS can be a valuable help when off-course if only to determine present location. AFAIK open-source map apps will show many points of interest including grocery stores.
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smart phone is cool! in general i know where i want to go with some planing i did before at home, paper maps show me the way ..
but when standing in the middle of the woods far from any civilisation no paper plan tells me where to go, there comes the smart phone in ..
with for example the ""maps.me"" app what works without phone reception, you download the country maps you need to your phone.
maps.me did me fantastic jobs on my tours, it even knew lost off roads deep in the Romanian wood sides.
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I've never toured with a smart phone ... or actually with any phone at all ... or with a GPS ...


Mostly I tour with paper maps and sign observation.

Although, more recently we have started touring with small notebook computers and in an evening we look up routes for the next day on Google maps and compare them with our paper maps.


That said, we have only just acquired smartphones ... so who knows, maybe they will start accompanying us on tours.

Meanwhile I still like the adventure of figuring out where to go next while we're out there using the paper maps and signs.
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I'm an older fellow like many posting in this thread. Unlike some of the replies, I find a smartphone to be a helpful tool toe take along. Below I explain why.

I have an Android equipped smart phone. I find the GPS on it to be very good and helpful. The GPS works without cell service or wifi.

I use the app CoPilot as my GPS navigation, when needed. CoPilot is excellent. With CoPilot, one can search for points of interest without cell service or wifi, can use maps, plan routes, and follow routes, all without cell service or wifi. CoPilot downloads complete maps and points of interest. I have all of North America downloaded and I think it was about 4.5 gb. For general navigation, finding one's current spot, or looking for a place of interest, CoPilot is worth having. If in a town or rural area and in need of a restaurant, motel, grocery store, bike shop, etc. CoPilot will find it. I also carry paper maps and use those often, but occasionally the use of GPS can be extremely helpful.

My phone has also replaced my camera. The phone I have produces high resolution pictures and video. Does a good job with lighting too. The nicest feature is that once my phone connects to wifi, it automatically uploads pictures and video to my Google account so there is no manual transfer needed. I like this feature.

There are other apps that can be useful while on the road touring. For example, there are apps that will send one's GPS location via text to alert those following of your travels. This could also be useful in emergency situations.

One issue with smartphones is battery life. I have 15000 mAH Limefuel battery charger that can recharge my phone about 5 times before the charger needs to be recharged. I can charge my charger via my dynamo hub while the charger is charging my phone. That's nice.

One negative with smartphones is the expensive cell service that most have. I wanted cell service that would be inexpensive but allow me to use what I needed whenever I needed it. The company that provides that service is Ting.com. I have been using Ting for about 2.5 years now. My average monthly bill is $16. For that price it includes 100 texts and 100 minutes of talking per month. I don't use data, but for $3 more one could get 100 mb of data. Ting uses Sprint's network. In my area the cell reception is not good, but it is good enough for texting, what I use it for mostly, and just to have cell service in case I need to make a call. Ting uses a tier payment plan where you only pay for what you use, so if I go over 100 texts in a month, for another $2 I get 1000 texts, and if I go over 1000 it costs $3 for another 1000 texts. Minutes and data work similarly. In short, if you are looking for cell service that you plan to use infrequently or in emergencies, Ting is worth a look because of the pricing plan.

Overall, I find smartphones to offer too many benefits to be dismissed so easily, so I plan to take mine when I tour.
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A lot of comments here are similar to my views of bike traveling, using a paper map, interacting with locals, a certain sense of adventure and surprise. Having map sense and a visual image in your head of where you are, where you are going in relation to landmarks, is a crucial skill to have. I try regularly to teach this to my kids, to have directional awareness etc, as it certainly seems that GPS use allows people to be very lazy about this sort of thing. I also just like not requiring batteries or electric power to navigate properly.

Don't want to be a Luddite though, and appreciate the tool of gps's in general.

Map with me--i put this on my smart phone recently and the osm open source maps, and phone GPS has been rather successful in tests to show offline position, so no data needed yet occasional checks seem to work.

RedB, about that GPS doodad, it would require you to take out your laptop to check your position, so it's a bit inconvenient, and problematic with rain. Personally I don't know these specific separate gps units, but I imagine would work just as well as what is in smart phones. I guess given you will have the lap top anyway, so this would be cheap way to check location, but the downsides are there. I suspect a cheap smart phone would be a good option, no data use, but then again, more expense to buy one.
Good luck looking into options.

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Why do/would you bring a laptop??
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Originally Posted by seeker333
Osmand, Locus and other GPS Nav software use offline maps that you download beforehand - cell connection and data are not required. Will work on most smartphones/tablets. Update maps as you go over any WiFi connection.
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One can buy cheap used GPS-capable phones or GPS devices w/o paying for phone/data plan...
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... for example the ""maps.me"" app works without phone reception...
Cool!!! I always thought that mapping services required a constant cell tower or wi-fi connection. I just downloaded the "maps.me" app suggested by str to my ipod touch and it works great. Thanks for the suggestions, folks! I'll continue to use my cheap Tracfone for chit-chat.

R&B, the ipod touch may be a solution for you also. As stated previously it has all the app download features of the iphone without the phone using wi-fi. It's just a one time purchase of $200 or so with no monthly fee thereafter. Unless you need the big screen and keyboard for other functions you could leave the laptop at home. Continue to use your flip phone for voice.

CORRECTION: ipod touch does not have GPS function, a wi-fi connection is required.

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they can be fine tools as long as they don't rewire
your brains, or prevent you from learning useful
skills.

here in china, lotsa young folks are forgetting how
to write characters, relying solely on text message
style input, and never learn how to use a dictionary.

chinese have never been much good at maps, but
now most drivers here are unable to find the next
city, heck...even the highway entrance ramp without
staring at their gps screen while driving. and this is
a small town a mile wide.....

oh, and they're also incapable of parking a car,
parallel or otherwise, without their backup cameras
and dashboard monitors.


now git off my lawn!
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I personally quite like having technology and smartphones with us for navigation and information awareness.
Also, it's a lot cheaper than getting paper maps which are bulky and in the end would end up costing hundreds of euros, except of course if one decides to do a specific route which has specialty maps, but where's the fun in that?

We currently have two smartphones and a tablet/laptop combo, all of which have a type of gps map program.

My smartphone has Locus Maps with openandromaps downloaded on the phone. I have the whole Europe on the phone, with all the cycle routes, some metadata and all that. The bad side of Locus is the lack of offline searches so no way to search for a specific road or shop.

My GF has OsmAnd which is really cruddy for bicycle routes (worthless really), it's slow, clunky and ugly, but it has a fantastic storage of metadata with wikipedia data for all the countries and regions one downloads on the phone, services, roads, accommodation, all of which is searchable and it tells you which is nearest and in which way it is. Some lack of functionality in the showing of the metadata so we have the...

Tablet, which has a map program which can show us all of the specific services we currently require in relation to our position, with reviews, phone numbers, opening times, additional info etc.

none of these require data and all work with our bluetooth GPS device wich uses both GPS and GLONASS so pretty dang accurate and quick. We got the extrenal GPS simply because using GPS on the road uses so much battery that we'd be running out of juice daily. Now the external GPS works as an added battery pack in a way.

The other use for the Tablet is that we'll likely write some kind of travel blog which our friends and family can then read and check up on how we're doing. My GF's side is a bit on the talkative and social side so if all of them call all the time there'll be no end to it.

The military taught me that while paper maps are nice and all, GPS is king most of the time as it's just so much more accurate and reliable. But since we were in the military we had a lot of backup systems to make sure we could function in the stone age if need be. Hence the three different navigation systems, two of which have independent GPS receivers, and we also have a larger overview map and a compass. Also we don't use the GPS for turn by turn navigation as such. It's more for a more accurate birds eye view, finding stuff without interacting with the locals (seriously, who goes on vacation to meet new people?) and also for those crossroads on cycle routes where signposting is lacking.

And how else is one supposed to listen to music on the road without a smartphone?
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