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Nashbar CX or other econimical frames capable of touring? (2016 edition)

Old 04-25-16, 02:36 PM
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Nashbar CX or other econimical frames capable of touring? (2016 edition)

My buddy has a couple bikes but is yearning for something dedicated to the pavement that can handle wider tires. He has a road bike but it is very much a racing rig with very skinny tires; riding near his house really beats him up on the rough roads. I've spent some time with my road bike out there and completely agree with him. I'm looking into touring and cyclocross frames for him. Cash is a bit scarce so I'm just scoping out some low cost builds and perhaps used built bikes.

He wants to do some longer rides in his area (rural NY) and possibly elsewhere in North America. He is a bit of a minimalist so I don't foresee him overloading it. Nashbar used to have an inexpensive steel touring frame ($100 I think) but I only see it offered as a low-spec, built bike. Other than trolling the classified and auction sites for something used, are there any low cost, mass produced, 700cm, disc brake, touring frame options for $150-250 that I'm not finding? Has anyone used the Nashbar cyclocross frame for light to medium touring?

I suggested the Nashbar alloy CX frame ($150) but he was concerned about chainstay length and clearance with panniers. I found these published chainstay lengths:

Nashbar alloy CX - 425mm
Nashbar TR1 Touring bike - 430mm
(comparison: Surly LHT - 460mm)
(comparison: Trek 520 - 450mm)
(comparison: Nashbar road frame - 405mm)

While not ideal, I think the 425mm will be ok. He has ridden the Nashbar cyclocross frame (his dad has it) and enjoys it, I'm just trying to validate if it would be a decent solution for rough pavement pounding and infrequent loaded touring. At this time, the ability to run disc brakes are a requirement.

Thanks!

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Neither have disc brakes.
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Here's a cross frame and fork for $350 that will take a rear pannier but unless you have a lot of spare parts around, you're likely going to end up cheaper buying a complete bike that bikemig posted above.

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Originally Posted by zanq
Neither have disc brakes.

I missed the bit about disc brakes or I wouldn't have suggested those 2 bikes. Still they're good inexpensive choices that will do what the OP wants.
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I have the aluminum nashbar touring frame from 2011? and there is no heel strike with 175mm cranks, sneakers, and medium-size panniers

But google is telling me the chainstay is 450mm on mine

I wouldn't expect panniers to work on the cx
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Consider this: find a disc touring fork the same length as a bike you have ($100?) . Front rack ($50?), front panniers ($100?). done
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Overthinking on gear is what this section is all about..

Touring is what you Do pick what ever bike You Like doing it on , its up to You .. anything can get you down the road .

want a New Bike ? Buy it , the forum will support buying more stuff without reservation

wally world Bike and Plastic shopping bags if that what You Have .
( Keep Wall-E receipt and you can get money back and get another one over and over again)

just pack up & go some where & you Are Touring ..

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I agree but would suggest that most people on wally world full suspension bikes loaded with plastic bags are getting 20-30 miles per day and are probably not riding by choice. The last guy I talked too on a rig like that was riding to stay with relatives in New Orleans for the winter after spending the summer homeless in the North. He was a snowbird.
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Originally Posted by zanq
While not ideal, I think the 425mm will be ok. He has ridden the Nashbar cyclocross frame (his dad has it) and enjoys it, I'm just trying to validate if it would be a decent solution for rough pavement pounding and infrequent loaded touring. At this time, the ability to run disc brakes are a requirement.

Thanks!
425mm should be okay for your chainstays, but just barely. If the bike is going to be used for touring on pavement, you don't need to limit it to disc brakes.
I have not read any reports of Nashbar frames failing, in fact they generally get good reviews.
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I built a bike with this frame ('2009 edition) 7 years ago, and 2 years ago started using it for touring.
See picture in this thread:

https://www.bikeforums.net/recreation...r-x-frame.html

The chainstays were precisely 425 mm long; the OLD spacing in the rear was 130 mm (unlike the 135 mm nowadays) and I was quite limited in the choice of rear disc wheels....

The bike looks a bit different now since I had it converted to 650b wheels, added racks, and permanent lightining.
I don't care much about heel strikes since in the very very rare instances I have used it with 4 panniers (I usually travel with only 2 in front), the rear ones were short enough (small Nashbar waterproofs) and hanging high enough not to interfere with my heels.
The bike rides and handles great, especially with the 42 mm tires it has now, and I don't mind the extra stiffness of the Al frame. No plans to "upgrade" it any further, nor to replace it with anything - it does its job pretty well.
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Originally Posted by zanq
Neither have disc brakes.
If your priority is low cost you can't always get what you want. Like fietsbob says touring is what you do, it's not defined by the bike. Rear pannier loads are great for bikes designed for it but if your load is in one set of panniers you don't have to load it all on the rear wheel.
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I would ask Nashbar whether they will be getting more touring frames, if your friend is interested. Fairly consistently over the decades, that bike goes completely out of stock, and on occasions it is no longer in the catalog, while on other occasions it is in the catalog but out of stock. Of course for most of that period it was an Al bike, but that really isn't the point.
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Obviously the bike isn't the main point, though to some degree it is defining. From the Tour de france, right down to someone plowing through some forest trails, it could all be called touring, but the cover photo is normally that bike with the four bags.
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Other than trolling the classified and auction sites for something used, are there any low cost, mass produced, 700cm, disc brake, touring frame options for $150-250 that I'm not finding? Has anyone used the Nashbar cyclocross frame for light to medium touring?

About the only thing I can remember that actually comes in within those specs is the Nashbar frame with the Nashbar Cross fork. It had disc brake front (all you need), canti mounts, and everything you could want, except mid front fork rack mounts but that is an easy fix. At times you could probably have scored that package for 100. The Nashbar road touring frame is/was pretty nearly an MTB frame anyway.

Getting what you spec new with disc mounts is real tough. In my case I see no point to rear discs, so then it becomes easy. There are lots of decent forks and decent frames, but the NA road touring frames don't normally have discs in that price range, though I guess they will soon enough.
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Originally Posted by bikemig
Since this bike runs a Deore rear hub, is it safe to assume the rear spacing is 135mm? I find nothing published. The other bike (Windsor) was 130mm.

Originally Posted by Pukeskywalker
I have the aluminum nashbar touring frame from 2011? and there is no heel strike with 175mm cranks, sneakers, and medium-size panniers

But google is telling me the chainstay is 450mm on mine

I wouldn't expect panniers to work on the cx
According to Nashbar's site, the current CX frame has a 425mm chainstay and the Touring bike is at 430mm. The Fuji linked above is 440mm, a Trek 520 is 450mm, and a LHT is 460mm. Nashbar is really skimping on the length.

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Consider this: find a disc touring fork the same length as a bike you have ($100?) . Front rack ($50?), front panniers ($100?). done
I'm now considering this option as well as looking at adapters that would allow for a disc brake on the rear of a non-disc bike.

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I built a bike with this frame ('2009 edition) 7 years ago, and 2 years ago started using it for touring.
See picture in this thread:

https://www.bikeforums.net/recreation...r-x-frame.html

The chainstays were precisely 425 mm long; the OLD spacing in the rear was 130 mm (unlike the 135 mm nowadays) and I was quite limited in the choice of rear disc wheels....

The bike looks a bit different now since I had it converted to 650b wheels, added racks, and permanent lightining.
I don't care much about heel strikes since in the very very rare instances I have used it with 4 panniers (I usually travel with only 2 in front), the rear ones were short enough (small Nashbar waterproofs) and hanging high enough not to interfere with my heels.
The bike rides and handles great, especially with the 42 mm tires it has now, and I don't mind the extra stiffness of the Al frame. No plans to "upgrade" it any further, nor to replace it with anything - it does its job pretty well.
My friend's dad's Nashbar X frame has the 135mm spacing. My friend claims that a rack with panniers on it do not work for him (heel strikes). I don't know what bags he has or how they are set up. I'm not sure if longer chainstays are the answer or aligning everything differently.
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I have a 2009 Fuji touring; it is 135 in the rear.
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Originally Posted by bikemig
I have a 2009 Fuji touring; it is 135 in the rear.
bikemig - Do you have access to a rear disc brake wheel, or even just a 135mm disc hub with a rotor bolted on? If so, would you be willing to run a small experiment? I'm curious to know if the rotor on a rear disc wheel will clear the stays on the Fuji frame. If the hub and rotor fit, this frame may become a candidate for a rear disc brake adapter.

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I think it could be made to work. The choice of bags and rack will make at least as much difference as the chainstays being 20mm shorter than a true touring frame. Position of the panniers on the rack will matter too.
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine
I think it could be made to work. The choice of bags and rack will make at least as much difference as the chainstays being 20mm shorter than a true touring frame. Position of the panniers on the rack will matter too.
Agreed. I have a touring-oriented bike, but if the trip is going to be on good roads I prefer to use my short-wheelbase Cannondale crit. geometry bike (I think the chainstays are ~390mm). It has 175mm cranks and I've used a variety of full-size rear panniers on it without any issues. Only problem with the short wheelbase is that tires over 25mm get close enough to the seat tube to interfere with the front derailleur.
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Originally Posted by zanq
bikemig - Do you have access to a rear disc brake wheel, or even just a 135mm disc hub with a rotor bolted on? If so, would you be willing to run a small experiment? I'm curious to know if the rotor on a rear disc wheel will clear the stays on the Fuji frame. If the hub and rotor fit, this frame may become a candidate for a rear disc brake adapter.

Thanks!
I don't have access to a rear disc wheel.
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I tour on a CX bike with 415 mm chainstays. I use a Tubus Cargo rack, Ortlieb Backroller panniers, have size 10 feet, and 175mm crank arms. I don't have a problem with heel strike, and the load is pretty well centered over the rear axle.

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both the cross bikes that I have toured regularly on have chainstays of 425mm and using full size rear panniers, I've never had a problem with my size 9-9.5 shoe and heel strike. Now part of this may be that I do tend to cycle with a slightly toe down rotation but if you turn your pedals over flat footed, your up stroke might not be as forgiving.
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Thanks for all the feedback.

Based on all of the responses, it really makes me wonder about his rack/pannier combo. He claims that the panniers he has tried on the Nashbar X equaled heel strikes with size 10 shoes. However, knowing him, the rack and bags are not high quality with adjustment options. I was reading somewhere that either Tubus or OMM racks have an adapter to move the rack further to the rear to buy yourself more room. A better rack may be the answer vs. a new bike.

I'm still curious if a disc hub with rotor would fit in the rear triangle on the Fuji Touring rig and how that may impact a rack.
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