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Old 04-27-16, 07:31 AM
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Locus anyone? (navigation software)

I am searching for a decent offline navigation software, one that could also display ANT+ sensor data.

Oruxmaps is free and powerful, but it has a rather steep learning curve and somewhat annoying default settings (like alerts every time a sensor is momentarily lost).

So I've purchased Locus for Android and am very pleased so far.

If someone uses it and has tips on how to make the most out of it, please share. For instance, not clear to me how to set it up to make it behave like Google maps - dim screen between turns, display map without having to unlock. It also looks like you could swap dashboards easily but I don't yet know how.

My tip for you would be that osm maps are perfectly compatible - simply copy them inside the mapsvector folder and it'll be fine (locus has a maps store. Locus maps are inexpensive, but things add up).
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What's beneath you about Paper maps (& maybe a compass)..

you're on land on roads not in the middle of the Ocean.


I used just 4 nicely detailed maps .. covered all of Ireland...


but I guess if you work in IT you cannot leave it at home.. it's addictive..

I guess .. got . 'Phone Jones'

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Originally Posted by fietsbob
What's beneath you about Paper maps (& maybe a compass)..

you're on land on roads not in the middle of the Ocean.


I used just 4 nicely detailed maps .. covered all of Ireland..


Maps get wet or disintegrate or are forgotten. And it isn't obvious where you and your destination are.

I like to tell this (16 years old) anecdote:

I was attending an event in Beijing, hosted in a large conference center on the western edge of the city but stayed in a traditional neighbourhood in the center . Hu-tongs are complex mazes. So much that when I took a cab to go back to the small hotel the driver nodded no, despite me having the business card with name and phone number of the hotel.

Luckily for me, I had a small etrex. Back then I had taken the habit of marking my hotels as a waypoint such that I could venture in the city without worrying about how to find my way back. So I showed him the arrow and the driver followed the direction and eventually arrived at destination. No GPS would have meant hours of trial and error.

Last summer our family hiked thousands of kms on what are supposed to be well marked tracks. We had the entire route on GPS. We saw many struggling hikers who had lost the trail and were having difficulties reconnecting with the trail.

And funny you refer to water. We sail. Paper navigation is fast becoming a relic because sextants and dead reckoning are much more approximate than GPS - based nav.

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I can appreciate the serendipity of travelling without systems that navigate you up to the meter. If I were travelling alone, I might not use a GPS and explore the world.

I do not work in IT. I do not see myself as tech obsessed either (no disc brakes for me ). I try to find good tools to do what I want to do.

Locus looks like the best in its class.
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Now if I were to buy all the maps with sufficient accuracy in paper form for our next trip it would cost thousands. With a smartphone I get it all for almost free
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There is no reason to limit yourself to one GPS mapping app. I regularly use two GPS apps, plus a real GPS (Garmin 62S).

Maps.me is oriented towards cars, not bikes, thus no bike trails are on it. But it has been useful at times for me to have when planning a route. And you can download large areas all at once.

And before Fietsbob asks, I also carry a paper map or two.
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There is no reason to limit yourself to one GPS mapping app.
Yes yes. Absolutely. I routinely use google maps and copilot when driving / walking. Ray marine on water. And Garmin edge was my first stab with bicycle touring.

I am not very impressed by the Touring, which is buggy, has a tiny screen and batteries that will not last more than 8 hrs. Plus, the work flow is inconvenient. I appreciate the fact that it is rugged and requires just .5W to do what it has to do.

As you know, and I repeat myself, I've taken the dyno-plunge and am now positive that the Forumslader can easily deal with a smartphone. I am therefore very seriously considering using a smartphone as our default navigation system.

Locus' ability to link to sensors (yeah yeah, I know, overkill. I should enjoy the scenery but monitoring pulse and cadence has proven useful, in my case) is decisive as far as I am concerned.

So it's probably Locus as the workhorse, Google maps if there is data and we are trying to find a place to eat without bothering the locals, copilot as a backup. And we have enough devices such that paper+compass would never be used.

For now, my goal is to figure out how to make Locus work best. Top of the list is screen management.

I'll eventually update
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Maps get wet or disintegrate or are forgotten.
you apparently dont value them enough to resolve those situations , with map covers and elastic cordage.

nor been raised spending time in The out doors , scouting , camping and learning geography & map reading

not afraid to talk to the locals for information either..



Gps may tell you where you are ,

the navigational chart tells you whether you will run aground, maybe make a hole and sink.




but back to the sales boosterisim of what may be your company's product..

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Originally Posted by gauvins
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Locus' ability to link to sensors (yeah yeah, I know, overkill. I should enjoy the scenery but monitoring pulse and cadence has proven useful, in my case) is decisive as far as I am concerned.
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I just think there is value to not having too many eggs in one basket. I use a bike computer. Also use a separate heart rate monitor. And separate GPS. And on occasion pull out the other GPS to check something on it (the other GPS is usually off, is battery hungry but has lots of memory for maps & data). And occasionally turn on the smartphone to check a GPS app that uses a different database.

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I just think there is value to not having too many eggs in one basket.
I agree. If you critically depend on something, you should have alternatives when that thing fails, otherwise your situation will be critical, by definition.

OTOH, integrated solutions are neat. Look at this screen capture. On a single screen you get the map (background)+turn-by-turn nav (upper left), sensor data (at the bottom), altitude and instant slope (just above sensor data, but I think I'll remove those fields), and most impressive, a profile overlay showing your position. It is also possible to turn the screen on/off simply by waving your hand above the screen. It completely blows Garmin out of the water (you can record tracks, or create them on the fly).



We'll carry more than one basket (at least another smartphone + tablet). And in the unlikely event that everything did go away, it wouldn't be that critical anyway.


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That is an impressive amount of info on that screen.

A friend of mine will be riding along on the flat and level and he will suddenly say, WOW, I just gained another 53 feet of elevation. When that happens I tell him that his GPS is lying to him. But he likes to think he worked harder climbing that hill,even when there aren't any hills for miles around.

My smartphone will record a track with the screen off and consume almost no power in the process (no sim card, wifi turned off, blue tooth off, all other apps not running), but as soon as I turn the screen on the power consumption goes way up.
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