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Old 05-09-16, 08:13 AM
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Kool Stop Brake Pads VS. Swiss Stop Brake Pads for Bike Touring???

Any using the Swiss Stop RX GXP 2 V-Brake Pads over then not using Kool Stop Salmon V-Brake Pads on there Touring Bike???

I see that the Swiss Stop RX GHP V-Brake Pads are head find in the USA on
the Internet Bike Shops


I was thinking if the Swiss Stop RX GXP 2 V-Brake Pad to see if they
don't Squeal on my Velocity Cliffhanger Rim???
and i am thinking about order some Swiss Stop RX GHP 2 V-Brake pads from
https://www.cyclocrossworld.com/ or https://www.bikeman.com/ and i am using
the Kool Stop Salmon V-Brake Pads on my Front Wheel a Velocity Cliffhanger 26in Squeal so bad!
Rim and i am using Kool Stop Dual Compound=Black/Salmon V-Brake Pads on my
Rear Wheel a Sun-Ryhno Lite XL 26in Rim and i get no brake Squueal with Kool Stop
dual Compound=Black/Salmon V-Brake Pad and both brake pads are toed in and
I was also thinking about using Kool Stop Dual Compound V-Brake Pads on my Front
Wheel

V-Brakes i am using are Avid Single digit 7


Note: This is not about Shopping Choices it is about finding the Right V-Brake Pads for
the Rain/Dry on Aluminum Rims!

there was one post on brake pads 2011 outdated

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You mention you get no squeal now with the Kool Stop pads. This is after you were getting squeal a couple weeks ago and it was suggested that you toe the pads.

So then why the desire to switch to other pads if the current ones work? Is it just to try them for the sake of trying something else, or is it in hopes of better stopping?
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Buy Both and form your own compare/contrast Opinion.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
You mention you get no squeal now with the Kool Stop pads. This is after you were getting squeal a couple weeks ago and it was suggested that you toe the pads.

So then why the desire to switch to other pads if the current ones work? Is it just to try them for the sake of trying something else, or is it in hopes of better stopping?
my bad typo and my Front Brake Squeals like a pig by using Kool Stop Salmon V-Brake pads
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
You mention you get no squeal now with the Kool Stop pads. This is after you were getting squeal a couple weeks ago and it was suggested that you toe the pads.

So then why the desire to switch to other pads if the current ones work? Is it just to try them for the sake of trying something else, or is it in hopes of better stopping?

note brake pads was toed in when the bike shop put on my Avid Single digit 7 V-Brakes
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I am inclined to believe that your Kool Stops are not aligned and toe'd correctly. They are long, grippy pads and must be set just right on 26 inch wheels. I have the same Kool Stops running on Velocity rims on both a 700c and 26 inch bike (Dyad and Aeroheat). 26 incher must be set just right. 700c seems to be a bit more forgiving as the 26" has smaller circumference, more curve to the circle where the pad meets the rim. Also, my Velocity rims have a narrower braking surface than my Sun rims. Modified Deep V on the Velocity and box rim on the Sun.

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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Buy Both and form your own compare/contrast Opinion.
2nd this. It's not like they're very expensive.
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Originally Posted by AusTexMurf View Post
I am inclined to believe that your Kool Stops are not aligned and toe'd correctly. They are long, grippy pads and must be set just right on 26 inch wheels
My front brake with Kool stop salmon V-Brake pad are Aligned and Toe'd in correctly
by Performance bike shop in Oceanside, California and my Pads and rims are cleaned every week with rubbing alcohol!

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Originally Posted by manapua_man View Post
2nd this. It's not like they're very expensive.
The Swiss Stop RX GHP 2 V-Brake pads at cyclocrossworld are $20.99 for 4 pads



my front pad is Kool Stop salmon mtn pad not V-Brake pad
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switch the front and rear sets and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
switch the front and rear sets and see what happens.

my Rear Kool Stop black/salmon don't squeal like a pig
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Originally Posted by Biketouringhobo View Post
my Rear Kool Stop black/salmon don't squeal like a pig
zackly!

you have two different rims,
2 different types of v-brake pads.

rimA+padA=squeel of the piglets
rimB+padB=silence of the lambs

what about rimA+padB or rimB+padA
or gosh, how about rimA+(padA+padB)/2

you do the math.
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Originally Posted by Biketouringhobo View Post
My front brake with Kool stop salmon V-Brake pad are Aligned and Toe'd in correctly
by Performance bike shop in Oceanside, California and my Pads and rims are cleaned every week with rubbing alcohol!
Still worth adjusting it yourself for three reasons: 1. the shop didn't likely ride the bike after adjusting the pads so what works on the stand is not necessarily what works in the real world, 2. brake pads often require adjustment when the start to wear and 3. sometimes pads require more (or less) toeing than one would assume.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Buy Both and form your own compare/contrast Opinion.
I like this best, and then report back here and let us know what you discovered.
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Originally Posted by Biketouringhobo View Post
The Swiss Stop RX GHP 2 V-Brake pads at cyclocrossworld are $20.99 for 4 pads
Seen em cheaper on Amazon and elsewhere, and that's still not a bad price for such a critical component.

Originally Posted by Biketouringhobo View Post
My front brake with Kool stop salmon V-Brake pad are Aligned and Toe'd in correctly
by Performance bike shop in Oceanside, California and my Pads and rims are cleaned every week with rubbing alcohol!

Never assume that the guys in the shop are always doing things correctly. I've seen more than a few otherwise competent people get lazy and rush things when trying to fill work orders.

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I'm no mechanic but uhhhh...

Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
zackly!

you have two different rims,
2 different types of v-brake pads.

rimA+padA=squeel of the piglets
rimB+padB=silence of the lambs

what about rimA+padB or rimB+padA
or gosh, how about rimA+(padA+padB)/2

you do the math.
^ ^ ^ what he said. If need be, as also stated above, buy some, try some, and report back.
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Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
zackly!

you have two different rims,
2 different types of v-brake pads.

rimA+padA=squeel of the piglets
rimB+padB=silence of the lambs

what about rimA+padB or rimB+padA
or gosh, how about rimA+(padA+padB)/2

you do the math.
my front Kool Stop Mtn Salmon V-Brake Pad

Squeals like a pig

My rear Kool Stop V-Type 2 V-Brake Pad

Don't Squeals like a pig

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Originally Posted by manapua_man View Post
Seen em cheaper on Amazon and elsewhere, and that's still not a bad price for such a critical component.




Never assume that the guys in the shop are always doing things correctly. I've seen more than a few otherwise competent people get lazy and rush things when trying to fill work orders.
Amazon only had Swiss Stop RX GHP 2 V-Brake pads outside of USA! so I have Ordered
2 sets of Swiss Stop RX GHP 2 V-Brake Pad's from Cyclocrossworld at $20.99+$20.99+S&H $5.00 = $46.98

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Originally Posted by Biketouringhobo View Post
my front Kool Stop Mtn Salmon V-Brake Pad

Squeals like a pig

My rear Kool Stop V-Type 2 V-Brake Pad

Don't Squeals like a pig

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Right. And as others have said, try putting the dual compound pads on the front and the salmon only on the rear. When you do that, does the front still squeal? If no, buy a second pair of the dual compound and you're done. Does the salmon alone squeal on the back? If no, don't even worry about buying the new pads for now. If the front still squeals, but the back doesn't after the switch, it's something to do with your setup not the pads. Simple, free experiment.
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Swiss Stp RX GHP 2 V-Brake Pads

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Right. And as others have said, try putting the dual compound pads on the front and the salmon only on the rear. When you do that, does the front still squeal? If no, buy a second pair of the dual compound and you're done. Does the salmon alone squeal on the back? If no, don't even worry about buying the new pads for now. If the front still squeals, but the back doesn't after the switch, it's something to do with your setup not the pads. Simple, free experiment.
I just Ordered some Swiss Stop RX GHP 2 V-Brake pads from Cyclocrossworld.com/

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Sounds great!!

Please report back with your findings! It's always good to learn of products that work well. Hopefully your brake problems go away. I occasionally have the 'squealing piglet' rim/brake combo. Irritating (if not embarrassing!).

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I have had a few friends who have worked at different Performance bike shops and have never had much good to say. Poorly run service departments that are very disorganized and don't always do things properly. Plus it seems like they do very little training.

I was in there with a friend because they had a tool he needed and they didn't even check in a bike for service they just told the lady it would be x days and then threw it straight to the back without even looking at it for more than a second let alone putting it in a stand.

Find a better shop if you can. Hopefully there is something more local that does a better job. Also your pads might need some work in general just because you have ridden on them and worn down the pads which as people have said can require additional toeing in. Maybe when you cleaned them you put them back on incorrectly or something. Generally though unless your pads are super dirty all the time you don't need to constantly clean them (though it is good you take care of your bike)

I have heard that salmon pads tend to sometimes be a bit louder than others but I personally haven't used them or seen much of them. Sometimes hard pads will also make a lot of noise so if your front pads are older they might have gotten hard and will make noise. Also the alcohol could be effecting them because you do it a lot and that might be drying them out a bit?

Regardless though trying new pads isn't a bad thing. SwissStop supposedly makes some good stuff so it wouldn't hurt to try them out. I do know Hawley is a distributor for them so if you find a shop with a Hawley account they could order them for you but I know at least the two shops I have worked at and a few others I have visited don't tend to order from Hawley often if at all.
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Originally Posted by manapua_man View Post
Never assume that the guys in the shop are always doing things correctly. I've seen more than a few otherwise competent people get lazy and rush things when trying to fill work orders.
Especially in a Performance Bike shop. Perennially understaffed and under corporate quotas.

I swear by (not at) Kool Stop Salmon pads. Have them on all my bikes, 26" and 700c, singles, tandems and a triplet. No squeals and they stop great.

Consider adding a cheap brake stiffener to your front V-brakes. Front brakes tend to flex more because they are under heavier load, which may be changing the pad angle (and also reducing braking efficiency). V Brake Booster | eBay
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Originally Posted by briwasson View Post
Especially in a Performance Bike shop. Perennially understaffed and under corporate quotas.

I swear by (not at) Kool Stop Salmon pads. Have them on all my bikes, 26" and 700c, singles, tandems and a triplet. No squeals and they stop great.
1 of the bike shops in Oceanside, CA is Pacific Coast Cycles is a bike touring shop
and Cycle Quest in San Diego, CA is a bike touring shop and Bikebling in Escondido in a bike touring shop and as for Performance Bike Shop in Oceanside, CA have a 2 good bike mechanics that gone to United Bicycle Institute in Oregon and Performance bike is the only bike shop that will work on bike if you don't buy bike parts from them! and as for
Pacific Coast Cycles will not work bike if don't buy bike part from them and he is a jerk!

I am living on a fixed income from US Gov!

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Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
zackly!

you have two different rims,
2 different types of v-brake pads.

rimA+padA=squeel of the piglets
rimB+padB=silence of the lambs

what about rimA+padB or rimB+padA
or gosh, how about rimA+(padA+padB)/2

you do the math.

I am going to try to see if the Swiss Stop RX GHP 2 V-Brakes don't squeal like a pig on my front wheel and next still would be Swiss Stop/Kool Stop Black B-Brake pads
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