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Old 05-28-16, 10:01 AM
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"A lot of what you pay for with expensive touring bikes is that it looks prettier..."

...with a niceer finish."

Do you agree or disagree with that? And if this is true, why isn't there a company making "ugly" touring bikes with bad finishes and great components for $800? Because I would buy one
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Originally Posted by i_am_you View Post
...with a niceer finish."

Do you agree or disagree with that? And if this is true, why isn't there a company making "ugly" touring bikes with bad finishes and great components for $800? Because I would buy one
Aren't you the same guy who wouldn't buy an AWOL simply because of the colour? "I have only ridden the AWOL so far and really liked it, though I don't like gunmetal gray, like a lot. Can't stand it, so that's a problem."
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I would have to disagree, LHT's and their paint finishes have rarely turned any heads but still sell for a fairly decent price. I think the Fuji selling for less than $800 and its paint finish is at least as nice if not prettier than most year's LHT, mind you this is all subjective. Most Tourers don't generally get a premium paint job, price is based more on components.
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Agree with robow here. The Fuji color looks better than the the LHTs and its priced far cheaper. If anything it comes down to components. I do think tubing/cromoly quality may be a factor and feel that some manufacturers just name their tubing to make it unique and sell more when it comes from essentially the same factories.
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There are so many ways to spend money on a bike. High level of finish and gram counting are two big ones. Then there is very expensive crap, that is just crap: heavy, not durable or functional. If I wanted the ultimate touring bike, it would be full custom, based on a mid-century French design, and would cost around $10,000. Off the rack seldom is ready to tour as is, but $800 and some good research would do the job quite nicely. Without doing your homework, $10,000 would still get you a very polished POS.
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Its all so completely subjective that a question like this cant really be answered, especially since there are so many unknowns.

What level is 'great' is totally different between people.
Also, what amount is expensive for one person is cheap for another.

I built up a touring bike from the frame and have something like $750 in it. I love the bike and chose each component. Everything on it is more than just 'good enough' for me. But im sure it would be too low end for some posters (@squeezebox for example) here. Nothing on it is entry level, yet it wouldnt be nice enough for some.

The more you pay, you typically get better finsh, better frame, higher level components, and better wheels. But not always.

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Excellent Quality at a cost: Co Motion made in Oregon, Bike Friday also Oregon, Tout Terrain Made in Germany .

Rodriquez Made in Seattle , Bruce Gordon Made in Petaluma California.

Bruce did make a touring bike in Mud Brown. He builds above your dream price ceiling..


Get a Used Bike and change all the components that make you happier.

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Originally Posted by i_am_you View Post
...with a niceer finish."

Do you agree or disagree with that? And if this is true, why isn't there a company making "ugly" touring bikes with bad finishes and great components for $800? Because I would buy one
When I read that (knowing that I'm reading it out of context), I think the author is saying that it's not necessary to buy a touring specific bike to go on a bicycle tour. For example, many entry level rigid mountain bike from the 90's often need little in the way of modifications to be made into capable tourers. They will still need accessories, but should be strong enough and geared appropriately for the task at hand. It may not be optimal, but it would work.
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I don't agree at all.

I posted this in another thread, but it seems to apply here.

I'll preface this post with the declaration that I have a LHT and my wife has a Co-Motion.

What did she get with the Co-Motion that I did not get with the LHT, or is not an option with a LHT?
-Custom fit (excellent fit) for a short person that has fit issues.
-Couplers installed. Butted tubing at the couplers. Not the case for DT.
-Custom placement of water bottle bosses on the seat tube to facilitate placement of FD with Mtn. crankset. This is often an issue on small frame bikes.
-A 47cm frame that fits 700c wheels.
-Beautiful welding and finish.
-Excellent customer service. The Co-Motion shop is only 45 minutes from our house. I have several stories about this, but too long to share here.
-Lifetime frame warranty.
-A very nice retirement present from her husband

Does her Co-Motion tour any better than my LHT, which cost less than half the cost? NoI built both bikes with essentially the same drivetrain components, except the hubs. The cranks, STI shifters, derailleurs, cassette, chain, spokes, rims, racks, lights, and tires are exactly the same. The point in my previous post was just this: there are times when spending the extra money is justified, and there are other situations when spending the extra $ are not needed to get a tool that will do the job. In my case, I can fit most normal frames with a little tweaking. I do have to admit, the long top tubes on the LHT come pretty close to making it a poor fit for me. However, there are other bikes in a similar price range that fit well.
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Brazeons and stock wheels. The brazeons part is fading due to the new fangled dropouts companies are using. For grins look at the evolution of the surly dropouts.

What do I own? A Rodriguez 26in wheeled travel bike and a Last gen USA made cdale t-series. The first cdale T series I owned, RIP was the low budget version. To make their price point cannondale used *poop*-tastic wheels and an explosive BB. I get it, but gosh they were bad.
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Old 05-28-16, 01:39 PM
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A company will probably not put top shelf components on a frame designed to look like it has duct tape, 420 stickers, and zip ties holding the nice parts onto it. Unless they engineered dents into the tubes, and painted rust streaks on it as well, which would cause it to be priced even higher because of some upscale trust fund hipster marketing ploy.

There are some bikes out there with decent stuff on a basic frame. The Randonee and Fuji come to mind(people will disagree about the parts being decent on these, but seriously, most of the components on them will get you down the road for thousands of miles).

Some of the savings on those bikes is due to the extra costs of marketing, not a skimped paint job. A bike shop owner admitted to me that the AWOL has lower level parts to hit the price point, but the price is still high due to hype. Some of the new treks are not all that, but the aggressive styling and how they are presented are what makes people want them. Style sells.
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Originally Posted by i_am_you View Post
...with a niceer finish."

Do you agree or disagree with that? And if this is true, why isn't there a company making "ugly" touring bikes with bad finishes and great components for $800? Because I would buy one
Here you go, fuji touring for $770: Fuji Bikes | LIFESTYLE | CROSS TERRAIN | TOURING

I'm looking forward to your ride report after you buy the bike.

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Old 05-28-16, 01:48 PM
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each to his own.... how much is a nice Rolex or IWC?
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Doesn't all the paint get covered up once one hangs all the bags on the bike?

A "pretty bike" can be fun. But, I'm more about function than looks.

But, I also don't have a "touring" bike. Most of my overnight trips have been on old steel road racing bikes (self-supported), usually just overnight. Perhaps the Tricross comes close, but it will probably eventually get replaced with a battered Jamis Coda.
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I disagree completely. One of my touring bikes didn't even come with paint and it cost much more than the Fuji.



And my newest touring bike is boring white, but more way more expensive than the Fuji.



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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Here you go, fuji touring for $770: Fuji Bikes | LIFESTYLE | CROSS TERRAIN | TOURING

I'm looking forward to your ride report after you buy the bike.
Wait, are you saying the Fuji is an ugly bike with bad finishes?
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Originally Posted by escii_35 View Post
Brazeons and stock wheels. The brazeons part is fading due to the new fangled dropouts companies are using. For grins look at the evolution of the surly dropouts.

What do I own? A Rodriguez 26in wheeled travel bike and a Last gen USA made cdale t-series. The first cdale T series I owned, RIP was the low budget version. To make their price point cannondale used *poop*-tastic wheels and an explosive BB. I get it, but gosh they were bad.
You mean like this?

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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Here you go, fuji touring for $770: Fuji Bikes | LIFESTYLE | CROSS TERRAIN | TOURING

I'm looking forward to your ride report after you buy the bike.
Originally Posted by NoShiftSherlock View Post
Wait, are you saying the Fuji is an ugly bike with bad finishes?
You're right, the OP may not want to buy the bike because it looks good
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I spent money to get a light touring bike......
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
You're right, the OP may not want to buy the bike because it looks good
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A nice paint job does not cost that much more than a not so nice paint job. So, if you wanted a top of the line bike, dynohub, good drive train components, good rims, and crappy paint you would still pay a fortune for it.

I really like the paint on the rando bike I built up this past winter. Most of the parts on it are 10 plus years old, the front shifter might be 40 years old, but the age of the parts does not detract from the "finish".

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I just think many bike companies consider what the general public believes it should pay for a "touring" bike and sets the price accordingly. Why sell a bike for $500 when you can sell one for $1300? You say you would buy a cheap ugly bike but I suspect most people would not. People who buy an activity specific new item generally want two or three things. Value, performance and bling factor which sounds shallow but just means they want it to look recognizably "tour like" and not home made, even though home made may still be tour like.

If you don't care about bling, and are handy with a wrench, you can easily build a tour capable bike from the ground up at a fraction of the cost but no one is going to go ooh aah about a picture of it here (for example) the way they will if you post a pic of your new brand name touring bike. Many people want to "belong" and buying what everyone else likes is one way to do so, hence the prevalence of crowd sourcing so many purchases on the forum. "What does everyone else like" as compared to "what do I need".

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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Its all so completely subjective that a question like this cant really be answered, especially since there are so many unknowns.

What level is 'great' is totally different between people.
Also, what amount is expensive for one person is cheap for another.

I built up a touring bike from the frame and have something like $750 in it. I love the bike and chose each component. Everything on it is more than just 'good enough' for me. But im sure it would be too low end for some posters (@squeezebox for example) here. Nothing on it is entry level, yet it wouldnt be nice enough for some.

The more you pay, you typically get better finsh, better frame, higher level components, and better wheels. But not always.
I must agree with you here, more $$ = better finish, frame, components, wheels etc. Better stuff = I'm more comfortable and happier. Look at the folks with brooks saddles. Why? Because it makes them happier and more comfortable. I really enjoy my carbon road bicycle. I get around town well enough with my Giant momentum, nice finish, I might swap out the deraileur sometime.
Some of you consider my Trek 920 expensive, particular with the brifter swap. But I consider it a good mid-range bicycle. If I win the lottery I'll have something 3 times the cost. A Porshe is a better car than a '90 Ford Escort.
Reynolds 953 is better than no-name cromoly. Dura Ace is better than Tiagra. $1k custom shoes are better than my $50 on sale shoes. These examples are not just my opinion they are hard facts.
My car cost me $1k. Much less the the recent bicycle, it does point A to point B well enough. It serves my purpose. My bicycle also serves me well, at more $$.
Today I caught myself scoffing at a couple of middle aged women in gym shorts and tennis shoes on inexpensive hybrid bicycles. I corrected myself, noting they were outside on a beautiful day enjoying themselves. Good for them. And good for your $750 bicycle you pulled together.
But as you said it's not for me. Different spokes for different folks.
More expensive almost always means better quality.
Live well and prosper!!

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I'd rather have a pretty frame and fork and cheap components. There are some great cheap components.
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I And good for your $750 bicycle you pulled together.
But as you said it's not for me. Different spokes for different folks.
More expensive almost always means better quality.
Live well and prosper!!
Thing is, i could have built a $2000, $4000, or $6000 bike had i wanted. I genuinely didnt see the benefit in spending more for all the components.

Tiagra hubs are more than good enough for me. They spin great and look to keep grit out well. I could have spent $300 more per hub for Phil hubs, but would i experience $600 more fun or less frustration?...i doubt it.

The Velo Orange drop bar i bought is exactly what I wanted even though it cost only $50. I could have soent $200 for a bar, but why when i got what i want for $150 less?

My pedals are A520s that i bought for $20 on ebay. They have a few scratches but are all in areas tou dont see and they are pedals...they should inevitably be scratched thru use. Why spend $50 for new when mine are mechanically perfect and cosmetically fine?

$45 for lizardskin tape or $11 for cinelli gel backed tape? I doubt i will experience 4x more hapiness with lizardskin when i really like cinelli gel backed.

$40 for cane creek brake levers, $26 for tektro brake levers, or $17 for xlc brake levers. They are the exact same brake lever. Exact. Why pay $40 just tonhave some lizards decorating the hoods when $17 gets tou rebranded tektros that even have tektro on the hoods.

I have a triple crank from 1986 running 9 speed. Shifts fast and accurate with ebay bought shimano bar end shifters.
I could have purchased a new crank for $160 that is the idential tooth count and bcd to my crank, but mine was effectively free off another bike and works great.


More expensive can mean better quality, but there are diminshing returns for more expenive items. I simply cant get more fun out of those more expenive components. And i cant get the value in less frustration either, meaning my stuff isnt going to brake or need constant adjusting.

Better quality is useful to a point.
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