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Old 05-28-16, 03:14 PM
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Converting Road bike to touring bike cheaply.

The past 3 weeks I've started cycling distances 30miles+, I know its not much for some. Last week I did 30 miles each morning. I think I might try for 60 miles each morning next week, provided I get this wheel straight as I realised I snapped a spoke this morning, and have spent today figuring out how to change it. I really don't know if I will actually manage 60miles a day next week but I don't see why not. And it would be a good starting point to doing a tour.


I want to do something longer soon as I have the time at the minute, maybe UK coast to coast as I live on the route for Hadrians cycleway 72. The total route is 172 miles. I have no real idea where to start and don't have much of a background outdoors. But I wan't to keep things cheapish and convert my road bike.


I need mudguards, a panier rack and paniers for a start and have my eyes on marathon plus tyres, however the more I read the more i heard about how heavy they are. Since I'm 226lbs at the minute I don't even think tyre weight should be a concern to me.

Anyway I'd like to spend as little as possible without buying rubbish. My first aim would be to set a budget of 100 and see how far it would get me.




20 - Mudguards (I would like puncture protected 28c tyres at some point)

SKS Bluemels B35 Road Bike Cycling Mudguard Set 700 x 20-28c BLACK | eBay

16 - Panier rack

Universal Bike Bicycle Rear Luggage Rack Carrier Pannier Bag 20-29? 700c | eBay

14 - Panier

HEAVY DUTY BLACK LARGE WATER RESISTANT BICYCLE CYCLE PANNIER BAG REAR BIKE RACK | eBay

I would assume I can't go as cheap as 14 paniers without being severely disappointed.


I would like to come back to this thread to just build a shopping list. I really don't know how many litres I'd need storage or what I need in a full pack. But a starting point. The next point is i need some cleats as i'm using these toe clip pedals, and I'm pretty sure cleats let me use muscle's I'm not using currently.

Anyway, this is what i'm currently working with:

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Old 05-28-16, 03:42 PM
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England? yea Mudguards are a necessity.. other than that

a rack [X] , somebags for your stuff [X]

CGOAB (Crazy Guy on a Bike ) has lots of gear lists ..

Quick conversion add a bike trailer .. no Mods to Bike at all.

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Old 05-28-16, 04:24 PM
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Is there even room on that bike for mudguards?

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There may be some challenges mounting mudguards on that bike with its wheel to frame clearance, and your heel striking the rear pack may be a problem. Touring bikes are built with a long wheelbase to alleviate those issues. It's certainly possible to tour on a road bike, though, with smaller, lighter, or rackless packs and maybe partial mudguards.
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Old 05-28-16, 09:23 PM
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Give up on the idea of rear panniers, the bike isn't designed for it and they aren't necessary. Reduce your load to what can fit on rear rack and handlebars.
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Use a Topeak Seat post rack for panniers.



500 mile camping tour.



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Old 05-29-16, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
Use a Topeak Seat post rack for panniers.

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500 mile camping tour.

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What tent is that in the left foreground?

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Is there even room on that bike for mudguards?
Then (if you are creative or can Pay someone who Is) the mudguard is cut the 2 sections are on opposite sides of the lowest point Typically the Brakes)

a bracket made for the purpose spans the gap and mounts the 2 sections ..

Off the shelf ?

PDW Full Metal fender https://www.ridepdw.com/goods/fender...l-fenders-road But may not be sold in UK so then you have to Import it yourself.
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I wrote a response yesterday but it was before I fell asleep, I must have timed out. I like the look of this LEJOG thing, I've decided I'd like to aim to do that. Whether I will this summer or not is another question as I am a disgusting fatbody although i managed my ahem 60 miles ride today, turns out last time the detour I cycled was 60 miles, a check today says 44 miles on on of the jog distance calculators, but I am sure it is longer than 44 and closer to 50miles as google maps says the motorway is 48 miles.

I have looked at the topeak beam and they only take 7kg, ive seen some mods where someone welded supports which lead to the centre of the wheel, but that is too much effort for me. I'd like to get a topeak supertourist, as it has the slide thing and 20kg capacity. And there goes my 'cheap budget'. I think I have the holes near the wheel bolt but not near the brakes, i will investigate there size later. I hear these p clip things work wonders, but then I hear they are the worst things in existence. I'd rather not drill into my frame, although i'd rather drill into the frame than buy a new bike.

Buy Topeak Super Tourist Rear Rack at Tredz Bikes. 21.98 with free UK delivery

https://www.evanscycles.com/topeak-m...g-dxp-EV136273

I don't know about bar bags yet. I shall start looking now. Is there any reason the above combination with P clips wouldn't work? Are they the right piece of kit to secure it to the frame?

I'd like to ask about training distances for touring, I may make another thread, or add it to this one if I make it through the weeks 44-50 miles a day.
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Old 05-30-16, 01:48 PM
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Are Axiom Streamliners available in your area for a decent price? I recently setup my road bike for light touring and it works pretty well.
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Are cleats for toe clip pedals even available? It's been decades.
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Old 05-30-16, 02:24 PM
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old man mountain racks fit on most bikes:

Old Man Mountain specializes in Racks designed to work on all bikes.

I'd probably get a carradice camper long flap for the rear, mount some stuff on the front handlebars and call it a day. That will limit you in volume but that will also lighten your load and work with your existing bike.
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Old 05-30-16, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by manapua_man View Post
Are Axiom Streamliners available in your area for a decent price? I recently setup my road bike for light touring and it works pretty well.
Bidding on some SKS raceblade XL which are 28-35mm. So could go with the swalbe marathon plus 700c x 28.

I like the look of the axiom streamliner for 25 and the SEYMOUR DLX are 26 for 20L and 30 for 30L. All in about 50 without rain covers. I could get some sealskinz backpack covers to cover the 20litre bags, not sure if they would go over the 30litre bags and i love sealskinz stuff.

Any objections to a axiom streamliner and a pair of DLX 20L bags for 50 plus postage? I think even if the axiom seymour DLX20s don't last, they will last me long enough for my fun.
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Originally Posted by topkek View Post

Any objections to a axiom streamliner and a pair of DLX 20L bags for 50 plus postage? I think even if the axiom seymour DLX20s don't last, they will last me long enough for my fun.
No experiences with that particular set of bags, but I'm pretty happy with the smaller Monsoon LX bags that I got. I figure if they start falling apart I'll just patch the living crap out of them- you could probably do the same with those.

There's no way in hell I can fit fenders on my bike too, but a strip of plastic glued to the underside of the rack seems to be decent at keeping a big stripe of crud being kicked up onto my back.
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Old 05-30-16, 04:22 PM
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There's no reason that using the lower mounting holes and P clips won't work - that's what I'm doing on my bike. The toppeak you listed about would be Ok. I'm using a Tortec from wiggle but there's loads of options. As you've spotted, a rear rack mounted to the frame will generally take much more weight than one that clamps to the seat tube.
I'd suggest you try a rear rack and two panniers and then see how much more you need to carry. I cycled the C2C you mentioned above with just that - one pannier for clothes, the other for supplies, then I bungied my tent and sleeping bag on the top of the rack.
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Old 05-30-16, 04:29 PM
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There's no reason that using the lower mounting holes and P clips won't work - that's what I'm doing on my bike. The toppeak you listed about would be Ok. I'm using a Tortec from wiggle but there's loads of options. As you've spotted, a rear rack mounted to the frame will generally take much more weight than one that clamps to the seat tube.
I'd suggest you try a rear rack and two panniers and then see how much more you need to carry. I cycled the C2C you mentioned above with just that - one pannier for clothes, the other for supplies, then I bungied my tent and sleeping bag on the top of the rack.
Thats great to know. I'm going to go for the axioms over the topeak, its a great suggestion. I obviously don't have a clue about brands to buy. I will probably buy 2 sealskinz backpack covers and use those as they are cheap on ebay. I am going to speak to my friend who lived in the woods for a year for advice on bivy bags and sleeping bags.

Lets see how this goes for now, and hopefully the rack will fit on my frame without problems.
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Don't bother with backpack covers, just buy some cheap lightweight roll bags to use inside instead. Sports Direct have them in various sizes for a fraction of the cost of the likes of Exped. I used them around South America for 6 months, albeit on a motorcycle.
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a seat post rack for panniers will make you weight wobble left/right/left/right .. better go bike packing:

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I hate to burst your bubble (American slang), but First since you are already breaking spokes, guess what will happen when you start adding more weight/ you are either going to have to get use to replacing a lot more spokes or get some heavier (higher spoke count maybe 36 spokes wheels)
The next problem I see is that the bike has short reach side pulls witch means limited tire size fit. I do not know how much fun/ you have had experience with pinch flats? With your weight and adding touring gear weight, you would be better off with taller tires, but they will not work with the limited brake size. Gearing. you might be ok on flat ground, but if you do hills triple cranks might be nice. I did meet a tourist who rode from NYC to San Diego with a 39 small chainring and 25 low rear sprocket, but he was 6 feet and 160 lbs. good luck
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Is renting gear an option?
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I'd suggest keeping the bike as is and carry absolutely minimal stuff - like maybe a handlebar bag worth of rain gear and bars. Then do a 'credit card' tour on Hadrians Bikeway. Should only take a few days and there are lots of places to eat and sleep on the way. This's will allow you to feel a sense of accomplishment and let you know if you like touring and if you and the bike are up to it. If you are keen afterwards you'll have a much better sense of what will work for you in the future. And don't worry about your weight. Ride lots and eat smart and you'll be surprised at how easily the pounds slip away. Check out the Clydsdale posts.
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a seat post rack for panniers will make you weight wobble left/right/left/right .. better go bike packing:


How does that tail pack not move around laterally? Can't quite figure out the mounting from the picture.

The Axiom Streamliner DLX looks a good bit of kit rack wise. It's cheap and rated to hold 50kg which is crazy. I don' even carry that much on my motorcycle tours.
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The next point is i need some cleats as i'm using these toe clip pedals, and I'm pretty sure cleats let me use muscle's I'm not using currently.
Cleats are mostly useful for racing as they keep your foot on the pedal at super-high cadences. They are less necessary for touring. They might help a bit if you have some really steep hills. I'm a commuter, not a tourer (yet). I used cleats for a couple of years and enjoyed mastering the skill. And then one winter I switched back to flat pedals so if necessary I could ride in winter boots, and after a day or two of adapting, I didn't actually notice a difference in ease or speed of riding. The main difference was, when I got off my bike it was easier to walk! As well, in order to travel light, having just one pair of shoes might be an advantage.
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How does that tail pack not move around laterally? Can't quite figure out the mounting from the picture.

The Axiom Streamliner DLX looks a good bit of kit rack wise. It's cheap and rated to hold 50kg which is crazy. I don' even carry that much on my motorcycle tours.
They usually have some compression straps that you pull tight against the seat post rails that keep it from swinging.
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I have an Axiom Journey rack, which is also rated for 50kg. No way I'd put anywhere near 50kg of stuff on that rack, it got a bit wobbly with about 13kg. I'm sure structurally it could probably hold 50kg without breaking anything, but I'd never attempt it. Not sure if that was due to the thru-bolt non-threaded eyelets I have on the rear or the fact I bought an adjustable rack, but while it worked, I wasn't the most impressed.

Those original SKS fenders you posted are also what I have. Flimsy but cheap, they work, and work well. Not sure how durable they'll be years down the road, but for my purposes (almost the same as yours) they were a great budget add-on that kept me dry in rain.

Bags? Dunno if they ship to the UK (or are cost effective if they do), but I bought a set of waterproof bags from Nashbar for about $50 with sale and a super coupon day. Not a fan of the attachment system, but I doubt a 14GBP option will be any better, and the the things are utterly waterproof and hold a lot. Or, you could do as my uncle told me, and just line non-waterproof pannier bags with plastic garbage bags

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