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How much time is needed to install/remove ortlieb handlebar mount?

Old 06-01-16, 11:50 AM
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How much time is needed to install/remove ortlieb handlebar mount?

Whenever I travel (air/train) I must completely remove my handlebars. They are mounted via a Thomson stem (4 fasteners facing forward)

I am considering the Ortlieb. Not clear from their video how much time one has to fiddle at the train station to remove/install the contraption.

Anyone can give some indication? Is it easy loosening a couple of fasteners and sliding the cable, or is there a major fight involved with the cable? Once you get the hang of it, how much time is required? (I currently have a cheap decathlon bag that would require several minutes to mount/unmount. I gave up, loosen fasteners, flip the mount 180 degrees and struggle with the stem faceplate. I don't like that.)
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If the Ortlieb is like the Louis Garneau bracket that I use, you may need a new cable each time you install it. Tightening the cable crushes it somewhat. But I use left over cut off pieces of brake cable or doubled derailleur cable instead of the fancy plastic coated cable.

If you have enough extra steerer tube that you can put on a second stem, that stem would slide right off the steerer tube so it would take no time at all.

The photos show what I am talking about with a second stem, a short piece of handlebar is used to hold the bracket on the red bike. On the black bike I used a short piece of PVC pipe instead of the handlebar section.



On another bike I use one of these instead, it consumes slightly less steerer tube and is lighter.
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/accessor...0-deg/?geoc=US

Regarding how long it would take, it all depends on how fast you are, I can't answer that.
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I've used an Ortlieb bar bag for a number of years, and while I am really pleased with it, removing the mounting bracket easily is not one of its strong points.

If I have to remove my bars, I take them off along with the stem at the steerer tube. If I need to get at the bolts holding the bars, I loosen the cable and just rotate the bag mount enough to get a hex wrench in.

Most people tighten the set screws on the mount too tight, and mash the cable. It only takes a little pressure to provide a good secure fit. If the cable gets mashed, they are really difficult to get threaded back through the maze.

There might be better mounting options, but Ortlieb bags are hard to beat.

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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
If you have enough extra steerer tube that you can put on a second stem, that stem would slide right off the steerer tube so it would take no time at all.
Might be the best solution. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Doug64

If I have to remove my bars, I take them off along with the stem at the steerer tube.
Not an option for me. I've installed an in-steerer USB charger.

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If I need to get at the bolts holding the bars, I loosen the cable and just rotate the bag mount enough to get a hex wrench in.
Could you elaborate just a bit ? Loosening the cable is done from the hex fastener (top left on your picture - which would mean a few seconds to loosen) or from some barely accessible screw?


Will take a closer look at KlickFix brackets. Eventually report.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by gauvins
Not an option for me. I've installed an in-steerer USB charger.



Could you elaborate just a bit ? Loosening the cable is done from the hex fastener (top left on your picture - which would mean a few seconds to loosen) or from some barely accessible screw?


Will take a closer look at KlickFix brackets. Eventually report.

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There are two bolts, one on each side of the bottom. These put pressure on the cable to secure it.

You can see where a portion of the cable on the left is beaten up pretty bad. It does not interfere with the operation; it just looks bad. Go to the Ortlieb site and look at the mounting instructions.
https://ortliebusa.com/support/



We have tried the Klick Fix on the Ortlieb bags. It does work with a little fiddling. However, I think they may only fit the older "5" series bags. Our old bags had the Klick Fix mounts, so we just tried them with the Ortlieb to see how they worked.

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Thanks for your time. Really appreciated.

I took a look at ortlieb's site. They have a video showing how to install the mount (an animatics actually, where everything is fast and easy ).

Looks like the two screws at the bottom are set "permanently" whereas the top-left-front-facing is used to tighten securely. I would guess that unscrewing the front facing fastener until the cable comes loose would allow the mount to pivot and reveal the stem fasteners... Should not be too difficult to reinsert the cable back into the hole and to re-engage the setting screw... Hopefully... Otherwise it might be $10 each way
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It's not quite that easy. Step #1 is inserting the cable through the top front opening. #2 is threading the cable through the back of the mount with the threaded portion forward. #3 The hex head bolt is screwed into the cable from the left front to the cable. #4 String the cable through the various holes, around the stem etc, and end up exiting the mount on the lower hole at the left front. tighten the left bottom bot to secure the cable, just snug it up a little. #5 tighten the cable using the hex head that is attached to the cable on the left front. #6 snug up the hex bolt on the right bottom.

The right bottom bolt needs to also be loose in order for the tensioning adjuster (left front hex) to put slack in the system. However, the left bottom bolt may have to be loosened to get enough slack to move the mount. This is where it gets sticky.

New cable inserted from the back and secured with hex bolt, left front.

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I've ordered the kit.

I see what you mean (the cable must be inserted tail first, so it is not possible to unscrew top left and take it out to have the mount dangling from the stem...)

I'll see what I can do... On their animatics they show the cable entering top left from behind. So I'll pray that this wasn't a writer's embellishment. And i will be veeery gentle trying not to dent the cable...

Thanks again
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Klick Fix Bar Bag Mounts are made such that you can hang Ortlieb bar-bags from them..


Screws mount U clips around bars, the cable is a simple section of coated brake cable..

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Originally Posted by gauvins
Might be the best solution. Thanks

This is what I've recently done, removing and reinstalling the ortlieb bracket was a pain in the rear, this has solved that problem.
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Just wanted to add that I've had no problem removing the bracket. The cable remains intact if fasteners are tightened to the recommended torque (1 Nm).

Second, unscrewing the top-left front-facing fastener (say, 6 turns) and loosening the bottom right screw allows the bracket to slide and reveal the stem's faceplate.
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I have taken mine off and reinstalled it a few times while experimenting with different stems.

Don't take the cable all the way out. Loosen the screw that tightens against the cable then remove the one on the end that tightened the cable. Remove the stem clamp and pull just enough cable that you can slip it over and off the stem. Don't pull the cable completely out of the mount. It is easy and quick. I can change a stem in less than 10 minutes like this.

EDIT: I just did this today. I changed my stem. As looking from the front, loosen the bottom right bolt a touch, then remove the top left bolt completely and pull the cable out of the top left side. Undo the bolt securing the bars to the stem and remove the clamp. Then you can unthread the cable form the bar and slide the loop of cable remaining off the stem. To reinstall, slide the loop back over the stem, reinstall the bar, then thread the cable back around the bars. Reinstall the bolt in the top left hand side, tighten, then tighten the lower right bolt. You can probably leave the bottom right bolt tight but I loosen it in case I need the cable to slide more. I torque the bolts to 5nm but I'm anal about that.

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