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LHT vs Saga - Fit for like sizes

Old 06-29-16, 06:54 AM
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LHT vs Saga - Fit for like sizes

Trying to decide b/t LHT and Saga.
To those who have compared like sizes for LHT vs Soma Saga, just how differently do they fit in a given size? From looking at the geometry charts for the sizes that I considering, the Saga allows a lower standover height and a taller stack height with a slightly shorter top tube.
How long is the uncut steerer tube for the Saga?
Is the LHT uncut steerer tube longer? If so, is it long enough to make up the stack height difference?
Does one ride move lively than the other when riding unloaded?


Saga LHT SAGA LHT
54 (26") 54 (26") 56 (700) 56 (700)

Seat Tube Len 515 540 535 560
EFF TT 550 555 565 570
HTA 71 71 72 72
STA 73 73 73 73
Head Tube Len 190 182 165 152
Standover 30.4" 31.2" 30.9" 31.96"
STACK 581 568.3 600 588
REACH 370 379.4 381 389.3
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Old 06-29-16, 07:48 AM
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Yup, you basically summed it all up.
Saga has a shorter top tube...by half a cm. Thats just so insignificant I dont find it useful to fret over.
Saga has a lower standover height.
Saga has a longer head tube.
Saga has a bigger stack height.
Saga has a 1cm shorter reach. Again, pretty insignificant when the style of bars(compact bend, full C, etc) and stem angle play a bigger part in overall actual reach.


To me, the biggest actual noticeable difference is the longer head tube and stack height. The Saga will require less spacers to get the bars at your desired height. As someone who will always need a lot of spacers due to height and body geometry, the less spacers the better when it comes to aesthetics!
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Originally Posted by mkwdrs
Trying to decide b/t LHT and Saga
Unless you need a size 50 or 56, you can stop comparing since these are the only size Soma Saga framesets still in stock, and they have been discontinued - replaced by Saga DC, which is same geometry as Saga in some sizes, with smaller and larger size frames added.

I looked at Saga vs LHT years ago, in addition to your observations, note that the Saga has a shorter front-center dimension than LHT, particularly in sizes 54 and 56, meaning even more likely to have toe overlap. I have toe overlap on my Surly Disc Trucker (56/700, size 43 shoes, 52mm Velo Orange fenders to permit ~42cm tires - maximum size for 700c SDT/LHT frames).

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Old 06-29-16, 08:43 AM
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The Saga (and/or Saga DC) is a sweet looking frame!!! Though i like a horizontal top tube, the Saga would be just fine!!!

In fact, the Saga (non-DC) is more appealing to me though the color would have to go.

As to geometry, I'm wondering if the reach to the stem on the Saga is less than top-tube length alone would suggest?

For me, "effective top tube length" (the distance from the top of the seat tube to the stem) vs "actual top tube length" is a more useful dimension to consider.

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I had the Disc Trucker and Saga Disc frames first on the list, I narrowed my size to a 60cm in either frame. I found the differences between the two frame's geometry to be insignificant. I went with the Saga for the sloping top tube and taller head tube. Based on the reach either bike would use the same stem (392mm vs 390mm).

I ordered from Universal Cycles, used the VIP15 coupon code, with free shipping it came to $463 on my doorstep. No discounts or mail order for Surly frames sealed the deal for the Saga Disc.

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Originally Posted by PolarBear007
For me, "effective top tube length" (the distance from the top of the seat tube to the stem) vs "actual top tube length" is a more useful dimension to consider.
Ever more accurate is to use the "reach" measurement which takes into account all variables that set proper stem length for a rider as they change frames (or consider two different frames).
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Originally Posted by Mr IGH
Ever more accurate is to use the "reach" measurement which takes into account all variables that set proper stem length for a rider as they change frames (or consider two different frames).
I'd bet you're right! There seems to be so much more to actual "fit" than meets the eye - especially for *newbs* like me!!!

Although here in the Front Range, we're a little more gracious - not needing absolute perfection (though some do...).
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