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Old 09-02-16, 02:28 PM
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That was quick! Carradice Bagman Broken!

Well, I mounted the Carradice Bagman support rack about 2 weeks ago, and today my new bag came. Got it mounted up and rode in to the post office. About an 8 mile trip.

Well, one of the pins worked loose on the driveside quick-release, and the pin slid right out into my hand while I was riding. Lucky I reached back there- total chance I found it before the spring knocked it away.

Looks like this now (not my picture, found on the web after googling this exact problem):



The pin with the rubber stop is just glued into the pin that sits spring-loaded in the hardware. So, once that pin un-glues and falls out, the spring-loaded pin shoots out and is potentially lost for good.

My solution was to put that pin in backwards, so the now-empty hole is on the other side. Then I put a zip-tie through the hole to keep the pin from flying away. No longer a "quick release," but it will support the bag until I find another solution.

Disappointing.
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Still OK with My SQR, & frame For Bag support (on the seat Post of My Brompton)
seat does not go down as far when telescoped in,
to fold .. though with the Rubber stopper on an extended post the fold still stays locked .





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The exact problem backed up with a simple search!! I'd be buggin' for a refund, especially with your internet exposure and reputation. Why "jury rig" a faulty product. Demand your money back. If you don't get it.....write about it!!!
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Old 09-02-16, 02:40 PM
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same thing happened to mine (snap) the wee slider is a bit micky mouse but overall its a good bit of kit,no big deal.
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Old 09-02-16, 05:29 PM
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Bagman's and quick release mechanisms just add complexity. They should be easy to design, but Carradice doesn't do a good job. I've had to add Locktite to the screws on the Bagman to stop them from shaking loose. My solution is to just not use them and hang the saddlebag from the loops and around the seat post as originally intended.
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I have to say that my Bagman looks nothing like that in the picture. Thankfully, I have the original, very simple design with the block that goes on the seat rails, and the rail that supports the bag.
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The exact problem backed up with a simple search!! I'd be buggin' for a refund, especially with your internet exposure and reputation. Why "jury rig" a faulty product. Demand your money back. If you don't get it.....write about it!!!
Nah. This post is about as much whining as I want to do. I just wanted to see if anyone else had the same issue.

I might just remove both QR mechanisms and attach the bag straight to the mount. I will fiddle with it and see what the situation merits. Even if they provide replacement parts or a new product, I can't see this problem going away without a total redesign, so it's up to me to make it work!

If nothing works, it's a good excuse for a Brooks saddle I guess... I'm becoming more like Grant Petersen every day!
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Nah. This post is about as much whining as I want to do. I just wanted to see if anyone else had the same issue.

I might just remove both QR mechanisms and attach the bag straight to the mount. I will fiddle with it and see what the situation merits. Even if they provide replacement parts or a new product, I can't see this problem going away without a total redesign, so it's up to me to make it work!

If nothing works, it's a good excuse for a Brooks saddle I guess... I'm becoming more like Grant Petersen every day!
Noooooo. I was seduced by that stuff once.....now I'm all bout carbon and polyester. Riv's saddlebags are as disaster....terrible designs, but the Brooks and a Carradice saddlebag work really well together. Look and the Swift and the Swallow.
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Noooooo. I was seduced by that stuff once.....now I'm all bout carbon and polyester. Riv's saddlebags are as disaster....terrible designs, but the Brooks and a Carradice saddlebag work really well together. Look and the Swift and the Swallow.
I just got a Swift. I, too, am sticking with polyester and waterproof tarp. Just need to sort the mounting!
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The pin with the rubber stop is just glued into the pin that sits spring-loaded in the hardware. So, once that pin un-glues and falls out, the spring-loaded pin shoots out and is potentially lost for good.
Well Damn, that's the Bagman QR set-up I've been using w/ my Carradice Barley for several seasons.
Will install a judicious zip-tie or four to keep wayward bits 'n bobs in place before this Autumn's traditional weekend ride to a lovely old hotel with a most excellent kitchen/chef/wine cellar.

Something to be said for the dead reliable '50's design bolt-on steel Millar bag support on the Internat'l.
Simple bog solid kit.

Thanks for the heads-up.
It's difficult enough being an elderly gent proceeding at a dignified pace w/o one's Carradice seatbag sagging inappropriately.

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I just got a Swift.
Certainly the best looking of the Brooks saddles.

I bought a Ti version around 5 years ago for my then bike, a Moulton APB.

I found it a medieval torture device and simply couldn't get on with it, I assume due to my being too wide in the berth.

I really wanted to get used to it but simply couldn't despite subjecting myself to riding it across Australia east to west.



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Bagman's and quick release mechanisms just add complexity. They should be easy to design, but Carradice doesn't do a good job. I've had to add Locktite to the screws on the Bagman to stop them from shaking loose. My solution is to just not use them and hang the saddlebag from the loops and around the seat post as originally intended.
if u had loops
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if u had loops
It is possible to attached the bags using just the saddle rails. It's not ideal, but will do at a pinch.
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It is possible to attached the bags using just the saddle rails. It's not ideal, but will do at a pinch.
There are also bolt on loops that are better than the rails, but not quite as good as the Brooks loops

VO Saddle Loops
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Certainly the best looking of the Brooks saddles.

I bought a Ti version around 5 years ago for my then bike, a Moulton APB.

I found it a medieval torture device and simply couldn't get on with it, I assume due to my being too wide in the berth.
I'm a heavy guy (190 lbs) with a proportional butt and I find the Swift very comfortable. It might be more your riding position than the saddle itself. The narrower saddles are best for riding positions where the handlebars are at or below the saddle height. I rode my Swift across the US last year, only took one rest day and in the 55 days it took me I had zero saddle/backside issues.
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I'm a heavy guy (190 lbs) with a proportional butt and I find the Swift very comfortable. It might be more your riding position than the saddle itself. The narrower saddles are best for riding positions where the handlebars are at or below the saddle height. I rode my Swift across the US last year, only took one rest day and in the 55 days it took me I had zero saddle/backside issues.
Yes, I was likely in too upright a position with too much weight on my rear.

My new ride is a similar position, but with currently a sprung Champion Flyer Special looking after the neither regions.

In search for some bling, I recently swapped out the black springs for some chrome ones, curtesy of sjscycles in the UK.



It doesn't look half as tasty as that Swift though....
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Looks good, B17s and Champion flyers are good for upright riding as they are wider to support the larger butt area that must be supported when you are more upright. They work great with swept back bars. If you ride drop bars at or below the saddle you will naturally roll your butt up a bit and the Swifts and Swallows will work nicely. I have my bars just a little below the saddle and the Swift works well.


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love that set up nun pure class.
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love that set up nun pure class.
Thanks, I've posted that picture far too many times......but in this case I did it to show the saddle height and the way the saddlebag is mounted. This is the simplest way to do it, and still the best IMHO if you have the clearance.

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Order a non QR upper part & you can re use the support rods..

I Bought a Minoura back of the saddle mount for 2 water bottles, and use it to fit My saddle bag.

P clips around the Dowel, the arms are just the right spread , like The strap holes.

I use a Pleather saddle and a rear rack under the 'Super C' on my other Bike (the Koga WTR)
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There are also bolt on loops that are better than the rails, but not quite as good as the Brooks loops

VO Saddle Loops
I bought some attachments like that in the 70s to put on my Brooks Pro that did not have bag loops. They slid down and would not stay up high where I wanted them.

Now I use a sprung saddle, I just run the leather straps through one of the spring loops.

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I'm a heavy guy (190 lbs) with a proportional butt and I find the Swift very comfortable. It might be more your riding position than the saddle itself. The narrower saddles are best for riding positions where the handlebars are at or below the saddle height. I rode my Swift across the US last year, only took one rest day and in the 55 days it took me I had zero saddle/backside issues.
Concur. I can use the B17 while sitting upright, but not when using drop bars. Drop bar riding, I use the Pro or Conquest. My B17 is on my indoor trainer bike for watching TV or reading the news while I sit upright. I occasionaly use a Flyer for mountain biking where I sit more upright.

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Thanks, I've posted that picture far too many times......but in this case I did it to show the saddle height and the way the saddlebag is mounted. This is the simplest way to do it, and still the best IMHO if you have the clearance.
I think this is the first time I saw that photo. Interesting mix of bike and accessories. Which handlebar bag is that? I am surprised you do not have a problem with your bag width interfering with shifting.
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Thanks, I've posted that picture far too many times......but in this case I did it to show the saddle height and the way the saddlebag is mounted. This is the simplest way to do it, and still the best IMHO if you have the clearance.
yes probably but i have the bracket and expedition rack works well with the loaded camper bag, but sure u know that already. (fizik alanti saddle carbon and ti rails)
ah wait i tell a lie i use the rolls saddle on alu seatpost ,when i use the saddle bag i just wip off the carbon seatpost and pop in the alu one saddle and rack attached.
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Oh shoot, I do NOT have a Swift. I thought we were talking about the Swift saddlebags, Swift Industries. But, the pictures were very helpful.

Good god, those chrome springs look great.
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I've got 3 Bagman racks with quick releases, one that I've used for about 10 years. One of them had the same problem, and the spring latch fell out and was lost during a ride. I sent an email to Carradice through their website, and they emailed me a replacement latch (actually two of them) for no cost, which I received in about a week. I haven't had a problem since then, but the experience taught me to check the pins on the latches from time to time to make sure they are threaded tightly. A "permanent" solution would be to put some Locktight on the threads.
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