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Old 10-05-16, 08:20 AM
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Input on fenders requested

Now that I have discovered I can run 35mm tires on my '89 Voyageur, I'm looking to replace the Bontrager fenders. Nothing wrong with 'em, its just the wider tires barely fit under these 35mm-rated fenders.

The limiting factor is the narrow ~2" gap between the top of the forks, touring bikes on wider tires apparently weren't envisioned as a likely combination in the '80's.

Two likely choices thus far are the SKS P45 Chromoplastic Longboard Fender, $44.99, width not given but good for 28 to 40mm tires...

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...82_-1___204660

...and the Zefal Paragon C50 Universal Fender, stated as being 2" wide. While price is really no object in the cost ranges we are talking here, $19.99 for these does sound suspiciously cheap (reflected in their construction?).

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...80_-1___204660

Looking for input on which would be the better choice, or indeed on any other fender model I haven't come across.

Thanks,
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Old 10-05-16, 08:49 AM
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I have the SKS P45 Longboards on my 1987 Voyageur in the tan color and they fit fine. I'm still running the original 27" wheels with 1 1/4" Continental Gatorskin tires. I've also had 1 1/4" Schwalbe Marathons on it. The Marathons had a little less clearance but still no problem.

Nice fenders with the low flaps that keep the spray down.
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Old 10-05-16, 09:51 AM
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Consider: planet bike 'GrassHopper', bamboo mudguards ... Grasshopper Fenders

naturally, really durable..

that being said, I have SKS mudguards on most of my bikes.. I make/add my own mud flaps ..

the ones I got in the 70s did not come with them ..


To cope with a low fork crown, consider Cutting the mudguard then with a DIY Bracket mount the remainder ahead of the fork.




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Old 10-05-16, 10:44 AM
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45mm fenders fit fine on my 1980 Schwinn voyageur. However, I am limited to 32mm tires even though I am running 700c wheels. I tried 35mm continental contact and there was not enough clearance.
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If you have the coin, nothing cooler than Woody's custom fenders:

https://www.woodysfenders.com/category-s/126.htm
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The SKS P -45 would be 45 mm wide.
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I had a bad experience with blackburn cloudburst 45mm fenders. Poor tire clearance. You can find my review on amazon.
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Old 10-05-16, 09:55 PM
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Mike, I recently put some sks silver 55 fenders on my bike and am happy with the build quality of them. I've put some planet bike fenders ( rear only) on my light tourer 6 years ago and it has lasted and worked fine. With the new bike, like I said in the other post, I wanted them to have lots of clearance, and I really liked how the silver sks with thin black stripes would look on my black bike.
In 90 or 91 I bought my first touring bike and purchased fenders that I'm pretty sure are sks. The whole metal poly carbonate or whatever that product is, certainly does last. Those fenders have been transferred recently to my wife's commuter, and the hardware is still good. Had to put some penetrating oil on the small bolts and even needed a little heat on one to loosen it up, but when off, the original hardware was used to put it on the other bike. I remember when I bought the bike these fenders were more expensive than o other brands but they've lasted all these years.
The new sks ones have really good quality bits as well, although the system of how the rods go into the mounting thingees is much more finicky than the planet bike ones. Basically with the sks you have to cut the support rods to a certain length, so getting it right is more critical. They really do seem well made and I don't see why they won't last as long as my first ones.
If you can see the sks and planet bike models in a store, you'll have a better idea of how they feel, although the pb ones are perfectly good as well. The sks just seen higher quality and a nice look. Seem to have reasonable end flaps too, although I've yet to ride in the rain so far.
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Old 10-06-16, 08:04 PM
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Here are the silver sks fenders on the Troll. Oh, and a really well done installation vid by Rivendale bikes that gives some great visual tips on what stuff to do on installing them


basically the Planet Bike ones have the system thats easier, you put the rods through the holdee thingee and then tighten it, and put a cap on the bit sticking out of the top. The sks holdee thingee is close ended, so you have to cut the support rods. Yes more time and you have to be more careful and think things through, but maybe they will hold on better, I don't know, all I can say is the the hardware and the sks fender material seems to be very sturdy and long lasting.
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Thanks for the input and advise all.

Here is what those 35mm Marathon Plus Tours look like on my bike ('89 Voyageur)....





I believe the slightly smaller 700 wheels (as reflected in the brake pas positioning in the second pic) give me a little vertical leeway when using this size tires. Based upon input here, I intend to put on a pair of SKS P50 fenders. I may have to shave off a few mm on either side to clear the forks, but it should be doable.

Shifting to these wider fenders won't buy me any vertical clearance room above the tire I know, but should allow more leeway for fenders nudged sideways out of a alignment from the bike leaning against bike racks and walls etc....

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I guess more sideways leeway is good, as you say, is pretty common for "stuff" to move them over a bit--although looking experience with fenders has shown that a pull and bend here and there on the metal supports generally gets them relatively straight again, and that the supports put up pretty well with being man handled now and again. Generally it's the supports that get bent a bit by something, but bending them back using common sense has always worked well.
Oh, I didn't show close ups, but I like how aesthetically the sks silver ones have the two thin stripes, whereas the planet bike ones are plain black. As soon as I saw the silver sks ones, I knew they would make a nice visual contrast with my black frame and I'm happy with how they add to overall look of this bike. It was the reverse with the 1991 black with white stripe ones on my wife's white framed commuter, it just makes a nice contrast. Hey, my fine arts degree weren't fer nuttin eh?!
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PS re mud, seeing the tread on those marathon tours made me think of how my experience with mud had been that the more tread on a tire, and deeper tread, seems to collect or accumulate more mud up against fenders or frames than slick or slick ish tires. With slicks I haven't had problems, but certainly have with treaded tires with deeper tread than these, so your concerns certainly do have merit.
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PS re mud, seeing the tread on those marathon tours made me think of how my experience with mud had been that the more tread on a tire, and deeper tread, seems to collect or accumulate more mud up against fenders or frames than slick or slick ish tires. With slicks I haven't had problems, but certainly have with treaded tires with deeper tread than these, so your concerns certainly do have merit.

Good point, tho we're on clay around here and I've frequently clogged the fenders with my 32mm Gatorskins.

In just a few days of riding I'm liking these 35mm tires, the larger volume is noticeable when hopping curbs and the treads on these Plus Tours grip like velcro on dry dirt at least, all the while having a decently low rolling resistance.

I do envy the air space under your fenders in the pic. Along those lines now I'm thinking the 45mm bamboo Grasshopper fenders (tks Fietsbob) might be the ticket, take a look at the flat profile (photo from the 'net), seems like it would be easy to clear them from the side when they got clogged with mud.

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...and as an aside, as with so many "sustainable" products, I gotta wonder how ecologically correct these things are by the time they get done impregnating them with resins and whatnot

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Old 10-07-16, 07:26 AM
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quickly as Im off to work, that bike, Surly Troll is exeptional in that it has tons of room for super wide tires and even with those 2in tires on it in the photo, there is loads and loads of room for fenders, in fact I had to put brackets in areas to bring the fenders down towards the tires or else there would have been a country mile between fender and tires.

the one thing I can certainly assure you is that the modern whateverthehellitis plastic/metal combo of PB or SKS fenders is, it is really quite strong and can take a lot of abusive, vs those pretty wood ones. I like that within reason, my fenders over the years have stood up to abuse being put in cars or whatever and the matierial is so darn tough.

ultimately you are limited by your frame I guess.
There are some super flat metal fenders (no curled over edges) by some company, but I suspect they are very dear indeed, expensive.
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Gilles Berthoud stainless steel 700 x 50. Look good (basically forever) and are extra long for better coverage.
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I have Planetbike Cascasia fenders. 2 1/2 " wide just fine for 2" tires. I'm satisfied with them.
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