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Old 10-09-16, 06:21 AM
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Katy advice

A few days ago someone mentioned their MPD and overnight spots when on a 4 day Katy trip. I have an extra 30 miles or so past Machens to get home. What were those overnight spots?
I've also put together a gear list for intelligent critique. I'm considering bringing about 2 days of food to limit the time searching for food. Any comments about food availabity would be appreciated. Please no pissy remarks. If you don't have anything intelligent to say please stay out. Please stick to the subject, and no personal attacks. Would like to hear from the bikepackers in particular.
Thanks!

Katy in mid oct. high mid 70‘s lows mid 40‘s

Tent -- ground cloth
sleeping pad
sleeping quilt
silk longies
ear plugs
pee bottle
inflatable pillow 2 oz
sit pad or chair


-worn-
cycling shorts
cycling shoes
under shirt
socks
cycling gloves
helmet

-clothes to bring-
cycling shorts
long sleeve jersey
1 underwear
2 pr cotton socks
work out shorts- compression shorts
bandana
camp shoes
hiking pants
wool socks 1 pr
wool Tshirt
hiking shirt -long sleeve
under shirt
base layer top & bottom
beanie
full finger gloves - soccer gloves
rain suit
fleece - top&bottom

-kitchen-
stove&gas&lighter
largest pot - 1.5L
smallest pot/ bowl -0.7 L
spork / sharp knife
mug
scrubby & scraper
spices
cutting board
skillet
can opener
spatula

-toilet-
bucket -- 1.5 oz for bathing mostly
TP
soap
shampoo
tooth brush/paste
wash cloth (maybe 2)
hand sanitizer
trowel



-1st aide-
leuko-tape
ibuprophin / benedryl
ace bandage
coco butter (for chaffing)
sun screen
tweezers- ticks-
clip nails- pre trip

-tools-
multi tool
patch kit / spare tube
cord
duct tape
chain lube
air pump
cassette tool/ chain whip

spokes

-food-
breakfast - omlets or oatmeal
day - sandwiches, snacks, 20 oz juice(b)
evening- pasta, soup, steak (h)

some brought from home (h) -- some bought on the way (b)
(h) 1/2 lb of deli ham &roast beef - 2 sliced cheese
doz eggs - hard boil some
can-1 // or dry soup -2
rigatoni- 1 lb-
pasta sauce -bolonese- 2 servings
tuna -1-
bread
oil

oatmeal -2- c/ raisins & almonds sugar / nido separate

-snacks-
snickers 5pack (h)
gorp
sandwiches
packets- jelly, mustard, mayo




-misc-
oven bags
phone / no charger
wallet
maps and guide pages
camera
MP3
head lamp / tiny flashlight


-buy-
2 1/2 gal zip locks , oven bags


(Again please leave out the attacks and stick to the subject.)

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Old 10-09-16, 07:51 AM
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You've said you want to travel light. A few suggestions with that in mind...

--You don't need a ground cloth unless it's a UL tent with a thin floor.
--There is no need for undershirts.
--You shouldn't be wearing underwear under your cycling shorts. If you must have underwear for off-bike one pair should suffice.
--One pair of short and long socks should be enough. Wool is good for minimizing odor.
--1 bandana instead of 2?
-- Keep the kitchen simple, one pot, no skillet, no spatula, etc. Cook simple meals and treat yourself to cafe/diner if you want something more elaborate.
--The bucket is unnecessary. Wash clothes in sink (bring stopper). Wash dishes in pot.
--Soap and shampoo should be the same stuff (one small container) refill from bathrooms on trip....
--You don't need a trowel or hand sanitizer.
--Remember clothing is the greatest bulk. You should have enough clothing to get you through the coldest night but no more. IOW, on the coldest night you should be wearing almost all of your clothes.
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Old 10-09-16, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Squeezebox View Post
A few days ago someone mentioned their MPD and overnight spots when on a 4 day Katy trip. I have an extra 30 miles or so past Machens to get home. What were those overnight spots?
Assuming that you are referring to my post, none of my overnight spots involve camping. When not staying with friends, my wife and I will motel it.

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Old 10-09-16, 09:24 AM
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How long are you going to be out and what time of year?
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Old 10-09-16, 09:29 AM
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If you are heading east there is no overnight camping from st. Charles to Machin. However, there are some mountain bikes trails I have stealth camped in just before st. Charles. They are just before the big Bridge that crosses the Missouri. It is a large wooded area between the trail and the river. This will be hard to find if it is dark.
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Old 10-09-16, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Squeezebox View Post
I have an extra 30 miles or so past Machens to get home. What were those overnight spots?
Go to the trail website. Select camping. Look at camping spots. Choose locations.
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Old 10-09-16, 10:02 AM
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Looks fine. I'd go with it. Looking forward to your post-tour report and seeing pics.
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Old 10-09-16, 11:38 AM
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Butchering it a little.



Tent -- ground cloth
sleeping pad
inflatable pillow 2 oz
sit pad or chair


-worn-
cycling shorts
cycling shoes
Jersey or quick drying shirt
wool socks
cycling gloves
helmet

-clothes to bring-
cycling shorts
long sleeve jersey
1 underwear quick drying
2 pr wool socks - Cotton sucks pretty bad once things start getting wet.
work out shorts - If you're looking for something to wear off the bike, I either run surf shorts of fast-drying cargo shorts.
SPD mountain bike shoes
Fast-drying T shirt. Or just use one of your cycling jerseys.
base layer top & bottom
beanie - I use a cycling oriented skullcap if sun/cold really is a problem.
rain suit
fleece - top&bottom

-kitchen-
stove&gas&lighter
largest pot - 1.5L
Real utensils - sporks are the devil. I use a long handled spoon and fork for everything.
sharp knife - make one of these part of your multitool
mug
scrubby & scraper
spices
cutting board - I usually butcher everything inside my mess kit.
skillet - I normally just use the lid of my mess kit as a fry pan.
can opener - Get a multitool that has one.
spatula - Unless you plan on making pancakes or something I wouldn't bother. Chances are a lightweight/long fork mentioned above will work fine.

-toilet-
bucket -- 1.5 oz for bathing mostly - Sometimes I'll shower with my camelbak.
TP
soap
shampoo
tooth brush/paste
wash cloth (maybe 2)
hand sanitizer - Replace this with a bottle of rubbing alcohol, it'll be more useful.
trowel



-1st aide-
leuko-tape
ibuprophin / benedryl
ace bandage
coco butter (for chaffing)
sun screen
tweezers- ticks-
clip nails- pre trip
Gauze roll
Neosporin or something
Rubbing alcohol

-tools-
multi tool - I never bothered with bike-specific ones.
patch kit / spare tube
cord
duct tape - I get more mileage out of electrical tape.
chain lube
crescent wrench
allen key set

-food-
breakfast - omlets or oatmeal
day - sandwiches, snacks, 20 oz juice(b)
evening- pasta, soup, steak (h)

some brought from home (h) -- some bought on the way (b)
(h) 1/2 lb of deli ham &roast beef - 2 sliced cheese
doz eggs - hard boil some
can-1 // or dry soup -2
rigatoni- 1 lb-
pasta sauce -bolonese- 2 servings
tuna -1-
bread
oil

oatmeal -2- c/ raisins & almonds sugar / nido separate

-snacks-
snickers 5pack (h)
gorp
sandwiches
packets- jelly, mustard, mayo


- I literally live off spam, rice, and convenience store food sometimes.



-misc-
oven bags
phone / no charger
wallet
maps and guide pages
camera
MP3
head lamp / tiny flashlight - Look into something that mounts to a helmet if you plan on riding at night.
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Old 10-09-16, 05:47 PM
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Add zip ties--very many uses for very little weight, including mounting a headlamp to your helmet, or handcuffing ne'er do wells.
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Old 10-09-16, 06:29 PM
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Squeezer, were you planning on riding thru St. Charles and on out to Machens at the end of the trip and then heading back into your home in St. Louis? There really is nowhere official to camp between St. Charles and Machens but it's desolate enough and stealth camping anywhere along there for one night would be easy or.... you finish up at Machens, ride the 3 miles to Portage De Sioux and camp in the park near the marina on the Mississippi.
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Old 10-09-16, 06:32 PM
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Listen, it's the Katy Trail and has dozens of services every few miles (including wineries!) and you'll see many fellow cycle tourists. You have the basics, just GO!
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Old 10-09-16, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAura View Post
Listen, it's the Katy Trail and has dozens of services every few miles (including wineries!) and you'll see many fellow cycle tourists. You have the basics, just GO!
Not really. Especially this time of year. It is actually kind of a long way between food sources sometimes. Things are closing for the year. Maybe one or two places every 20 miles....not every few miles.

Stealth camping is not allowed but hey....it's October and I haven't seen any midnight patrol.
Squeeze will have to have a 70 mile last day home if he wants a campground the night before. Maybe too much for him. He could probably do it with a LHT.

Heres an idea.....Ride to the trailhead in your car. You can leave it there for days.
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Old 10-09-16, 10:33 PM
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Agreed that the east end of the trail is pretty bleak for camping. Klondike state park to Machens is a long haul. Adding 30 miles to it after could be a real slog. Robows suggestion about the marina at Portage De Sioux sounds interesting, and if I ever go up there again I will look into it myself.

I have heard that St Charles is allowing camping in the city park. You may want to call someone to verify that though, I only talked to a couple of people who have done it. The city park is up a long hill.
Otherwise I have ridden through St Charles to a Super Eight, it was pricey and it was not a pleasant ride after dark, but it was the end of a long day starting at Tebbets and I really wanted a good shower and bed. The Super Eight was the cheapest place I could find, and it was 80 bucks.

On camping on the trail, I am not a fan of it, but yes, have done it twice. Once I slung a hammock around where Boomhauer mentioned, after dark and gone well before dawn.
At the end of the trail there is a stand of fairly unpleasant woods between the trail end and the railroad tracks. I have pitched a tent down in there once, again waiting till pretty near dusk. Probably one of the most interesting nights I've spent in a tent, as there were two times a freight train stopped. The noise and ground shaking was pretty neat, but not restful.
I try not to break the no camping on the trail rules since I want to be a good representative of the touring community. Both times I did it was due to poor timing on my part. It was dark, I was beat due to my bad habit of long days.

As to the gear list, that's pretty personal, and only experience can really tell you what you want to take the second time you go during a particular time of the year, and what you would leave behind.
I would question a dedicated pee bottle. I usually don't need one, but if I am camping in a city park with no bathrooms I will pick up a gatorade bottle, or any other with a larger opening.
Also, since you are taking fleece top and bottom, you could lose the silk sleepwear and use the fleece instead. Unless its a comfort thing that you really want.
Kitchen stuff is also really personal taste, and if you do a lot of backpacking(given the amount of posting on Whiteblaze)you know what you like. But sporks really do suck.
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Thanks for your comments.
Some food from home might be easier than finding food there. I'll check out if my wool toe socks go inside the cycling shoes, or hit Rei for 2 pr thin liner socks. Fender braces are the only use for a wrench. compression shorts for chaffing. If I don't use the cutting board this time I won't bring it again.
Maybe go this week Thur. to Mon. and again soon. I'll go to the website and figure out daily mileage. Camping past St. Charles will be wait and see. No car. Once near St.Charles a come and get me call is possible.
Chainrings are 42-28 and cassette is 15-25. I know it's a weird cassette but on crushed limestone & no uphills no need for lower than that. and with no downhills no need for higher is my thought, we shall see.
The wrench weighs 4.5 oz and no idea what it could be used for. Everything else the multi tool covers. Bring spokes and spoke wrench.
Anybody wanna come along?

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Old 10-09-16, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Squeezebox View Post
Fender braces are the only use for a wrench.
Keep in mind that you can fix some damn near catastrophic damage out in the field if you've got a wrench and pliers.
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Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
But sporks really do suck.
+1 So much so it deserves its own thread : )

If as you roll thru St. Charles, you get a little hungry, consider stopping just off the trail at this place for an excellent reasonable lunch. We were invited by a local gentleman that was riding the trail that day, and as we're enjoying a wonderful salad and garlic bread, another older cyclist stops by and has lunch with us and he starts spinning stories of racing in Europe in his youth....really cool.

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Originally Posted by Squeezebox View Post
The wrench weighs 4.5 oz and no idea what it could be used for. Everything else the multi tool covers. Bring spokes and spoke wrench.
when you break spokes, most likely will be drive side rear, which means
removing the cassette (and possible also the brake disc.
pointless to bring spare spokes without a wrench to turn the
cassette tool.

and a chain whip unless you have an alternate method of
holding the cassette while turning the removal tool.

oh....yeah.....bring a cassette tool.

and if'n ya wanna hot shower after a long day, get one of
them solar shower dealies from rei or campmor. weighs an
ounce, fill up, let sit on rack an hour or so at the end of
your ride to heat the water.
alternatively, use that pee bottle during the day to
heat your shower water.

(**what about the skirt and condom?**)

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Old 10-10-16, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
when you break spokes, most likely will be drive side rear, which means
removing the cassette (and possible also the brake disc.
pointless to bring spare spokes without a wrench to turn the
cassette tool.
I've successfully used a wrench, pliers, and a rock to bend the lips of alloy rims back enough to seat tires and limp home. Same with chain rings, disc rotors, and a bunch of other random crap. Never had to do anything like that with *my* bikes, but a lot of people either abuse their stuff, or don't properly maintain things...or the shops don't properly assemble their bikes to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Squeezebox View Post
Thanks for your comments.
Fender braces are the only use for a wrench.
The first time I was on the trail in October I promptly ripped my plastic fenders.

There are tons of sticks on the trail right now and they flip up between the fender and the wheel. If it's the right size the fenders will hopefully pull out of their sockets but in my case they also ripped the plastic fender.

Bring duct tape. My duct tape job is still holding up after 4 years.
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