Arkel - Handlebar Bag is Way Too Noisy!
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My mounts didn't rattle on my Arkel, but all of the zippers and something about the bag itself creates such a constant racket that I couldn't stand it; it had to go. I've got the Ortlieb now, and I just took it out for a short test ride last night. What I found was that in the "unlocked" setting the lock mechanism itself rattles up a storm, but when locked it is dead quite, as is the entire mount and bag, so in the end I've got the peace and quiet I expect.
Yes, the zippers have metal appendages that help you open the bag with gloves. I guess for some them flopping around could be annoying. The early small version did not have this feature. I love the Arkel water proof panniers and now this handlebar bag. The metal attachment hardware was the reason I went with this brand.
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I don't live in Switzerland, but rather scum-bag infested SOCAL, and my touring is going to basically be me living on a bike for extended periods of time. I can't do tours via credit card and stay in hotels and such, and I won't be eating at restaurants either; can't afford it. I'm not a wealthy person. I have to do my best to minimize the risk of theft.
I've got a lot of money (for me) and hours into my bike, with more on the way, and I will be depending on it as my sole mode of transport for an indefinite period of time, so I will be "living" on tour so to speak one way or the other. And no, I'm not complaining, I'm rather looking forward to it as my life's greatest adventure. Taking what many would deem to be a dire and desperate situation and turning into something awesome. Now all of this considered, if you have something helpful to add to this discussion on ways I may be able to carry on without risking my bike, please do, I really appreciate any and all helpful advise. I know a lot of you here are very experienced and knowledgeable, and I thank you all for your help along the way here, with my various questions and such since I joined up a while back, which I did soon after getting out of the convalescent hospital after the collision.
I've got a lot of money (for me) and hours into my bike, with more on the way, and I will be depending on it as my sole mode of transport for an indefinite period of time, so I will be "living" on tour so to speak one way or the other. And no, I'm not complaining, I'm rather looking forward to it as my life's greatest adventure. Taking what many would deem to be a dire and desperate situation and turning into something awesome. Now all of this considered, if you have something helpful to add to this discussion on ways I may be able to carry on without risking my bike, please do, I really appreciate any and all helpful advise. I know a lot of you here are very experienced and knowledgeable, and I thank you all for your help along the way here, with my various questions and such since I joined up a while back, which I did soon after getting out of the convalescent hospital after the collision.
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Good luck on your adventure and kudos for pushing back on those that think you should do it their way when they are not you or in your situation. Where are you headed? Do you have another post describing your plans? It sounds interesting given the situation you alluded to.
After spending time in the hospital, I was placed in a convalescent hospital because I was unable to care for myself. While I was in there crippled up and in very bad shape, I knew I'd never ride a motorcycle again. Not because of any possible physical limitations I may end up with, but because the NDE and the horrendous pain and misery I’ve suffered is enough for me, so no more.
Since motorcycles and riding have been a key and central part of my life my entire life, I knew I had to get something new in my life to take their place. I had a long discussion with my son, and he had some great ideas, and that sparked me to come to bicycling as my new thing and passion. So from that hospital bed I used my phone to start learning more about bicycles. Even that was hard to do with only one usable arm and hand. I decided that I needed to go ahead and buy one. It was all about mental focus and determination at that point. I was determined that I would get myself well enough to ride it somehow and soon. I started researching bikes to buy. I think it was the first week I got home form the hospital that I bought my bike. I was still unable to walk at the time, and no way could I ride a bicycle, but I was determined that I would. Little by little as I’ve recovered I’ve done all I can to work on my bike. This is my first bicycle build of any kind. After 3-4 months from the collision I was able to ride it for the first time. I've done amazingly well. My doctors are all freaking out. In all their years they’ve never seen a recovery like this, among other things. So that’s where I am right now. Still recovering, doing good, and my bike is coming along great. The vision in my mind is becoming a reality before my very own eyes, as it should. Once the bike and I are ready, I’ll set off for the grandest adventure of my lifetime.
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as an ex motorcyclist going back from my teenage years, all I can say is that on a bicycle you need to ride just as defensively, situationally aware, anticipating bad situations, and basically be on the ball just as much as on a motorcycle-- in fact more because of the speed differences and specifically the closing speed differences and misjudging by some cars of passing space and time coming up on a bicycle.
Your decision to stop riding motorcycles is yours and yours only, but in my mind, the risk factor is the same or more in some ways on bicycle, so just transfer over all your motorcycle awareness skills and enjoy cycling. Its different in lots of ways but very similar (in my opinion) especially the safety aspect.
all the best with getting back on two wheels.
Your decision to stop riding motorcycles is yours and yours only, but in my mind, the risk factor is the same or more in some ways on bicycle, so just transfer over all your motorcycle awareness skills and enjoy cycling. Its different in lots of ways but very similar (in my opinion) especially the safety aspect.
all the best with getting back on two wheels.
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Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. I'm still recovering from a fatal/near fatal collision on my motorcycle that left me partially paralyzed and crippled. A was both hit and run over. I was crushed, chest caved in, broken ribs, which punctured and collapsed my lungs, head trauma/brain injury, over half a dozen broken bones, multiple torn ligaments, and a lot more. That was a little less than 6 months ago now.
After spending time in the hospital, I was placed in a convalescent hospital because I was unable to care for myself. While I was in there crippled up and in very bad shape, I knew I'd never ride a motorcycle again. Not because of any possible physical limitations I may end up with, but because the NDE and the horrendous pain and misery I’ve suffered is enough for me, so no more.
Since motorcycles and riding have been a key and central part of my life my entire life, I knew I had to get something new in my life to take their place. I had a long discussion with my son, and he had some great ideas, and that sparked me to come to bicycling as my new thing and passion. So from that hospital bed I used my phone to start learning more about bicycles. Even that was hard to do with only one usable arm and hand. I decided that I needed to go ahead and buy one. It was all about mental focus and determination at that point. I was determined that I would get myself well enough to ride it somehow and soon. I started researching bikes to buy. I think it was the first week I got home form the hospital that I bought my bike. I was still unable to walk at the time, and no way could I ride a bicycle, but I was determined that I would. Little by little as I’ve recovered I’ve done all I can to work on my bike. This is my first bicycle build of any kind. After 3-4 months from the collision I was able to ride it for the first time. I've done amazingly well. My doctors are all freaking out. In all their years they’ve never seen a recovery like this, among other things. So that’s where I am right now. Still recovering, doing good, and my bike is coming along great. The vision in my mind is becoming a reality before my very own eyes, as it should. Once the bike and I are ready, I’ll set off for the grandest adventure of my lifetime.
After spending time in the hospital, I was placed in a convalescent hospital because I was unable to care for myself. While I was in there crippled up and in very bad shape, I knew I'd never ride a motorcycle again. Not because of any possible physical limitations I may end up with, but because the NDE and the horrendous pain and misery I’ve suffered is enough for me, so no more.
Since motorcycles and riding have been a key and central part of my life my entire life, I knew I had to get something new in my life to take their place. I had a long discussion with my son, and he had some great ideas, and that sparked me to come to bicycling as my new thing and passion. So from that hospital bed I used my phone to start learning more about bicycles. Even that was hard to do with only one usable arm and hand. I decided that I needed to go ahead and buy one. It was all about mental focus and determination at that point. I was determined that I would get myself well enough to ride it somehow and soon. I started researching bikes to buy. I think it was the first week I got home form the hospital that I bought my bike. I was still unable to walk at the time, and no way could I ride a bicycle, but I was determined that I would. Little by little as I’ve recovered I’ve done all I can to work on my bike. This is my first bicycle build of any kind. After 3-4 months from the collision I was able to ride it for the first time. I've done amazingly well. My doctors are all freaking out. In all their years they’ve never seen a recovery like this, among other things. So that’s where I am right now. Still recovering, doing good, and my bike is coming along great. The vision in my mind is becoming a reality before my very own eyes, as it should. Once the bike and I are ready, I’ll set off for the grandest adventure of my lifetime.
Anyway, back to you. I'm excited for you and appreciate your drive (ride? . Keep up the good work and have fun!
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as an ex motorcyclist going back from my teenage years, all I can say is that on a bicycle you need to ride just as defensively, situationally aware, anticipating bad situations, and basically be on the ball just as much as on a motorcycle-- in fact more because of the speed differences and specifically the closing speed differences and misjudging by some cars of passing space and time coming up on a bicycle.
Your decision to stop riding motorcycles is yours and yours only, but in my mind, the risk factor is the same or more in some ways on bicycle, so just transfer over all your motorcycle awareness skills and enjoy cycling. Its different in lots of ways but very similar (in my opinion) especially the safety aspect.
all the best with getting back on two wheels.
Your decision to stop riding motorcycles is yours and yours only, but in my mind, the risk factor is the same or more in some ways on bicycle, so just transfer over all your motorcycle awareness skills and enjoy cycling. Its different in lots of ways but very similar (in my opinion) especially the safety aspect.
all the best with getting back on two wheels.
Thank you for sharing your story. Interesting that I could have written almost those same words. I had a motorcycle accident when I was 16 that left me with a broken neck, knee cap, collarbone, jaw, and a lot of other things (like a mostly paralyzed arm and hand). The bicycle is what got me back out there. I still ride the MC and just finished riding it 11,000 miles around the US and Canada, but I think I'm about done now (a case of getting it out of my system). Bicycling was probably the most impactful (positively) on my life overall. I've now ridden well over 100,000 miles on the bicycle and don't plan on stopping or reducing that. In fact I just retired early (at 54) and have plans to do more touring in the coming years.
Anyway, back to you. I'm excited for you and appreciate your drive (ride? . Keep up the good work and have fun!
Anyway, back to you. I'm excited for you and appreciate your drive (ride? . Keep up the good work and have fun!
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Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. I'm still recovering from a fatal/near fatal collision on my motorcycle that left me partially paralyzed and crippled. A was both hit and run over. I was crushed, chest caved in, broken ribs, which punctured and collapsed my lungs, head trauma/brain injury, over half a dozen broken bones, multiple torn ligaments, and a lot more. That was a little less than 6 months ago now.
After spending time in the hospital, I was placed in a convalescent hospital because I was unable to care for myself. While I was in there crippled up and in very bad shape, I knew I'd never ride a motorcycle again. Not because of any possible physical limitations I may end up with, but because the NDE and the horrendous pain and misery I’ve suffered is enough for me, so no more.
Since motorcycles and riding have been a key and central part of my life my entire life, I knew I had to get something new in my life to take their place. I had a long discussion with my son, and he had some great ideas, and that sparked me to come to bicycling as my new thing and passion. So from that hospital bed I used my phone to start learning more about bicycles. Even that was hard to do with only one usable arm and hand. I decided that I needed to go ahead and buy one. It was all about mental focus and determination at that point. I was determined that I would get myself well enough to ride it somehow and soon. I started researching bikes to buy. I think it was the first week I got home form the hospital that I bought my bike. I was still unable to walk at the time, and no way could I ride a bicycle, but I was determined that I would. Little by little as I’ve recovered I’ve done all I can to work on my bike. This is my first bicycle build of any kind. After 3-4 months from the collision I was able to ride it for the first time. I've done amazingly well. My doctors are all freaking out. In all their years they’ve never seen a recovery like this, among other things. So that’s where I am right now. Still recovering, doing good, and my bike is coming along great. The vision in my mind is becoming a reality before my very own eyes, as it should. Once the bike and I are ready, I’ll set off for the grandest adventure of my lifetime.
After spending time in the hospital, I was placed in a convalescent hospital because I was unable to care for myself. While I was in there crippled up and in very bad shape, I knew I'd never ride a motorcycle again. Not because of any possible physical limitations I may end up with, but because the NDE and the horrendous pain and misery I’ve suffered is enough for me, so no more.
Since motorcycles and riding have been a key and central part of my life my entire life, I knew I had to get something new in my life to take their place. I had a long discussion with my son, and he had some great ideas, and that sparked me to come to bicycling as my new thing and passion. So from that hospital bed I used my phone to start learning more about bicycles. Even that was hard to do with only one usable arm and hand. I decided that I needed to go ahead and buy one. It was all about mental focus and determination at that point. I was determined that I would get myself well enough to ride it somehow and soon. I started researching bikes to buy. I think it was the first week I got home form the hospital that I bought my bike. I was still unable to walk at the time, and no way could I ride a bicycle, but I was determined that I would. Little by little as I’ve recovered I’ve done all I can to work on my bike. This is my first bicycle build of any kind. After 3-4 months from the collision I was able to ride it for the first time. I've done amazingly well. My doctors are all freaking out. In all their years they’ve never seen a recovery like this, among other things. So that’s where I am right now. Still recovering, doing good, and my bike is coming along great. The vision in my mind is becoming a reality before my very own eyes, as it should. Once the bike and I are ready, I’ll set off for the grandest adventure of my lifetime.
Have you already bought your bike for your adventures, or is it still a work in progress?
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It's feeling really good now. I've raised the bars, and I've lowered the gearing considerably. Both have had a very positive impact on my ability to ride it. It came with a great rear rack on it, and I've since added a nice front one, fenders, water-bottle cages, and a fork mounted pump. I also recently added a fantastic suspension seat-post that makes a huge difference to the impact my back has to endure. I'm really loving this bike. It's a 2016 Novara Safari. There is still some considerable work I want to do to it. I'd like to upgrade the brakes, the tires, and add a dynamo as well. I'm also working on getting my luggage arrangement sorted and purchased. I'm playing musical saddles right now, but still haven't found the right one. I've got a couple on their way. I hope one of them ends up being the one.
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just be aware that with seats, depending on how much you have ridden in the past, how much you've been riding, slight positional changes of the seat, how fit you are--all these things affect how a seat feels, so just a heads up that a seat that feels just ok sitting on it or on a short ride could end up being a good seat for you with a bit of time.
re small adjustments, this can really make a huge difference between discomfort, saddle sores, numbness (if you feel numbness, listen and makes some changes)
the more you ride, the stronger your legs get and your body core also, means you are pushing more steadily with your legs, taking weight off your seat. Basically there are many factors that come into play with seat/butt comfort discomfort. Shorter rides at first and slowly building up distances is one thing, what padded bike shorts you wear is another...all this to say that it probably wont be a "oh, this seat feels great" and ends up working well--it might, but take things gradual, time on the bike, breaks here and there when you feel you need it. Little breaks make a real diff for keester comfort, hands, arms, neck....standing while pedalling sometimes is good too.
bottom line, you gotta get out there to improve and to see how it is, and perhaps get some good advice from a real person in a bike store who hopefully knows thier stuff, this can at least start off from a reasonable seat position.
re small adjustments, this can really make a huge difference between discomfort, saddle sores, numbness (if you feel numbness, listen and makes some changes)
the more you ride, the stronger your legs get and your body core also, means you are pushing more steadily with your legs, taking weight off your seat. Basically there are many factors that come into play with seat/butt comfort discomfort. Shorter rides at first and slowly building up distances is one thing, what padded bike shorts you wear is another...all this to say that it probably wont be a "oh, this seat feels great" and ends up working well--it might, but take things gradual, time on the bike, breaks here and there when you feel you need it. Little breaks make a real diff for keester comfort, hands, arms, neck....standing while pedalling sometimes is good too.
bottom line, you gotta get out there to improve and to see how it is, and perhaps get some good advice from a real person in a bike store who hopefully knows thier stuff, this can at least start off from a reasonable seat position.
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just be aware that with seats, depending on how much you have ridden in the past, how much you've been riding, slight positional changes of the seat, how fit you are--all these things affect how a seat feels, so just a heads up that a seat that feels just ok sitting on it or on a short ride could end up being a good seat for you with a bit of time.
re small adjustments, this can really make a huge difference between discomfort, saddle sores, numbness (if you feel numbness, listen and makes some changes)
the more you ride, the stronger your legs get and your body core also, means you are pushing more steadily with your legs, taking weight off your seat. Basically there are many factors that come into play with seat/butt comfort discomfort. Shorter rides at first and slowly building up distances is one thing, what padded bike shorts you wear is another...all this to say that it probably wont be a "oh, this seat feels great" and ends up working well--it might, but take things gradual, time on the bike, breaks here and there when you feel you need it. Little breaks make a real diff for keester comfort, hands, arms, neck....standing while pedalling sometimes is good too.
bottom line, you gotta get out there to improve and to see how it is, and perhaps get some good advice from a real person in a bike store who hopefully knows thier stuff, this can at least start off from a reasonable seat position.
re small adjustments, this can really make a huge difference between discomfort, saddle sores, numbness (if you feel numbness, listen and makes some changes)
the more you ride, the stronger your legs get and your body core also, means you are pushing more steadily with your legs, taking weight off your seat. Basically there are many factors that come into play with seat/butt comfort discomfort. Shorter rides at first and slowly building up distances is one thing, what padded bike shorts you wear is another...all this to say that it probably wont be a "oh, this seat feels great" and ends up working well--it might, but take things gradual, time on the bike, breaks here and there when you feel you need it. Little breaks make a real diff for keester comfort, hands, arms, neck....standing while pedalling sometimes is good too.
bottom line, you gotta get out there to improve and to see how it is, and perhaps get some good advice from a real person in a bike store who hopefully knows thier stuff, this can at least start off from a reasonable seat position.
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I just got my Arkel - Handlebar-Bag installed, and I took the bike for a ride around the block and quickly noticed how loud it it is at every little bump or rough surface, so much so that it's really annoying, and I think I'm going to to return it and get an Ortlieb instead.
It's not the mount, as I've heard reports that for some people it rattles, my mount is perfectly quiet. I think most of the noise is coming from the shoulder-strap attachments, and the zippers and zipper-pulls bouncing, banging, and jangling around. It really is a quite a rattling racket that wears on me very quickly.
The Ortlieb would be much quieter because the shoulder-strap attachment is removable, and the ones I'm looking at have no external zippers either.
Thoughts?
It's not the mount, as I've heard reports that for some people it rattles, my mount is perfectly quiet. I think most of the noise is coming from the shoulder-strap attachments, and the zippers and zipper-pulls bouncing, banging, and jangling around. It really is a quite a rattling racket that wears on me very quickly.
The Ortlieb would be much quieter because the shoulder-strap attachment is removable, and the ones I'm looking at have no external zippers either.
Thoughts?
Weight that makes steering heavy,
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I used Arkel bag for 45 day trip in DRC Rainforest off road trail ride. I took plastic supports out and drilled pattern of holes with paddle bit to reduce weight while maintaining strength. Bag was waterproof and durable. It was loaded with valuable electronics, some with wire coming through zipper to dump hub charge USB port on handlebar stem. Main disadvantage of handlebar bag is heavy top
Weight that makes steering heavy,
Weight that makes steering heavy,
It is a good bag. I looked at dozens before making the decision to get the Arkel. The material and workmanship is excellent. I couldn't find another brand with metal hardware.
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