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Old 11-28-16, 12:06 AM
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Eureka sent wrong tent, which would you keep?

Looking for some advice!

I had the Eureka Spitfire Solo (aka Spitfire 1) until a few weeks ago. Raccoon tore a hole in the tent while I was sleeping to steal some oatmeal I'd forgotten to eat. So I called Eureka and they replaced it. Wasn't covered under their warranty but they did it as a one time gesture out of good faith.

My new tent came on Monday. I noticed it felt a little heavier but didn't have the chance to open it until yesterday.

I set it up in my room (too nasty outside) and realized it's the Eureka Spitfire 2. Shoved into the Eureka Spitfire Solo box.

I called Eureka again and they offered to send me a shipping label and they'd exchange tents. Or they said I could keep this tent. It does cost more than the other. Told them I'd call back by the end of the month.

Would you keep the Spitfire 2 or send it back for the Spitfire Solo?

Specs:
Eureka Spitfire Solo
Minimum Weight: 2lbs 12oz
1 entry
3 seasons
18.1 Sq Ft
Floor size: 9x3'6"x2'2"

Eureka Spitfire 2
Minimum Weight: 4lbs 3oz
2 entries
3 seasons
38.8 Sq Ft
Floor size: 10'9"x5'10"x4'4.5"

I'm leaving for the Southern Tier in February. I tour pretty light. "Is the extra weight of the 2 worth it?" I guess is what I need to be asking myself.....

Here's the Spitfire 2 w/o rainfly


Here's the Spitfire Solo w/o/ rainfly
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If you dont need the space and xtra weight... Send it back.
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Hmm... Yeah, I agree if you don't need a tent with that much room, send it back. 4lb is a bit heavy for a solo tent. If you think you'd enjoy the extra room then maybe it's something to consider. I personally use a 2 person tent, but it comes off as more of a nice and roomy 1 person and is barely over 3lb. It is nice having the extra room, but personally, I probably wouldn't carry my tent if it weighed over 4. But the extra 1lb might be worth the comfort for you?
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No way for me--I'd send it back. What a great good will deal, though--I'm sure you sing their praises.
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Minimum and packed wt are not the same. I'm not 100% sure but add the wt of stakes, stuff sack guy lines.
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You were honest with them so it is not a question of ethics. It simply is which would you rather have because you have a choice. And you have experience with the smaller one so you know how much room it has, so that is a plus because you are a knowledgeable buyer.

Weight penalty (difference between the two) is about 1.5 pounds, or about the same as one large full water bottle.

And one and a half pounds of tent is several liters of volume when packed, so that increases your luggage size a bit. You can see how big the new one is packed, and if you have your old one you can compare.

I have used one person tents on trips and also two person tents. I took my two person tent on my last two tours even though it had a weight penalty because I wanted to be able to pack up all my stuff in the morning while inside the tent in case of inclement weather. (My tent and two other items went into a small pannier, those two other items could get wet without a problem, so I could pack all my other stuff in the Ortliebs before taking down the tent.) While I can just barely get my stuff in the one person tent and in a tiny vestibule, it would be a contortionist act to pack up in the morning inside the tent.

Thus, if it was me the question I would ask is - did I have enough room in a one person tent in bad weather, or not? For me the answer was that I wanted the two person tent on some trips. So maybe you need to ask that question - would you benefit from the heavier and more bulky two person tent that offers more space on a long trip?

Now here is one more option, if you like the two person tent but would like to have a one person tent too, maybe you should keep the two person version and when you see a one person version on sale, buy that too.

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If you are used to a solo tent then return the 2 person tent. One of the advantages of smaller tents is the benefit of finding more spots to pitch. Sometimes there is not soft unencumbered space to pitch and in situations like that a solo tent is an advantage. This manifests itself also in protecting your tent floor. It is easier to examine and test a smaller footprint for sharp sticks, rocks that could otherwise puncture your tent.
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I'd return the one you cannot sit up in and put on your shoes, before you leave the Tent..


You OK with leaving the Panniers on the Bike, outside at Night?, If Not, you will want the larger one.






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I bought a Hilleberg Nallo 2GT and found it was too big (as a 2-person tent). All my gear was nicely stowed inside but I was trvelling by myself. So, I bought an Akto. I found it a wee bit cramped with most my gear - aka the panniers etc - stowed in the "porch" with footprint. I tour unsupported in the Australian outback. The Akto suits my touring a lot better than the Nallo, and some of my gear does not need the "protection" the Nallo provides.

Recommendation: Send to bigger tent back and get the smaller one. It will suit your style better.

PS. This summer I will be touring with my travelling companion and for that tour I WILL use the Nallo
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
I'd return the one you cannot sit up in and put on your shoes, before you leave the Tent..You OK with leaving the Panniers on the Bike, outside at Night?, If Not, you will want the larger one.
Yeah, I leave my panniers on my bike. They're waterproof and I don't worry about theft when I'm camping. I can sit up in the solo and put my shoes on while hanging my feet outside. I could put them on inside if I needed to.

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I have used one person tents on trips and also two person tents. I took my two person tent on my last two tours even though it had a weight penalty because I wanted to be able to pack up all my stuff in the morning while inside the tent in case of inclement weather. (My tent and two other items went into a small pannier, those two other items could get wet without a problem, so I could pack all my other stuff in the Ortliebs before taking down the tent.) While I can just barely get my stuff in the tent and in a tiny vestibule, it would be a contortionist act to pack up in the morning inside the tent.

Thus, if it was me the question I would ask is - did I have enough room in a one person tent in bad weather, or not? For me the answer was that I wanted the two person tent on some trips. So maybe you need to ask that question - would you benefit from the heavier and more bulky two person tent that offers more space on a long trip?

Now here is one more option, if you like the two person tent but would like to have a one person tent too, maybe you should keep the two person version and when you see a one person version on sale, buy that too.
I usually pack up the night before and only leave the essentials out at night. My wallet, phone, sleeping bag, and medication are usually the only items in the tent with me at night. I couldn't sleep in my tent with all of my gear but in bad weather I could put my panniers in it and sit up comfortably in it. My panniers are waterproof though so I usually leave them on my bike regardless of the weather. They survived a blizzard and two tornado warnings on my tour this summer. I'm do like the tent a lot. I'm considering what you mentioned; Keeping the Spitfire 2 for car camping and ordering the Spitfire 1 for my tours. I have a 2-3 person tent but it's an old Wal*Mart tent that my family uses when they come camping with me. It weighs like 8lbs but for $50 it's lasted over 10 years

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Minimum and packed wt are not the same. I'm not 100% sure but add the wt of stakes, stuff sack guy lines.
So what does minimum weight mean? I replace the steel stakes with aluminum ones. Usually don't bring the stuff sack or guy lines. Tent and rain cover go in one pannier, clothes/toiletries in the other, sleeping bag on top of the rack, and bike parts in my seat wedge.

My next tour will be the Southern Tier leaving San Diego on February 15 so that's what I'm mainly asking for.

As for everyone else, thanks for the input!
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Packed wt is straight out of the box, with guy lines stakes, stuff sack, everything. not ground sheet.
minimum trail wt, leave out the sacks, stakes and guy lines, tags, instructions no ground sheet
fly wt or something like that, also leave out the tent. poles and fly only maybe ground sheet also
Another point Some companies like Big Agnes measure floor size from where the stakes are, others measure from the interior corners of the tent.
Confused yet??
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i reckon theres no such thing as the perfect tent so i would keep it,extra lb here and there ain't gonna make much difference ,just got to ask yourself is this new tent going to keep me safe from the elements if the answer is yes keep it .
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Originally Posted by Squeezebox
Packed wt is straight out of the box, with guy lines stakes, stuff sack, everything. not ground sheet.
minimum trail wt, leave out the sacks, stakes and guy lines, tags, instructions no ground sheet
fly wt or something like that, also leave out the tent. poles and fly only maybe ground sheet also
Another point Some companies like Big Agnes measure floor size from where the stakes are, others measure from the interior corners of the tent.
Confused yet??
haha Yeah. Unfortunately neither of them are free standing so can't leave out the stakes. I've forgotten them on a short 5 day/4 night tour before. I had some cord though and used that and tied each end around a big rock. Worked fine.

I couldn't find a packed weight on the Eureka! website

Some other info though...

Spitfire Solo
Pack size: 5"x21"
Center height: 3'4"

Spitfire 2
Pack size: 6"x18"
Center height: 3'7"

The poles on the 2 fit in my pannier too which is a plus. They're broken up into smaller pieces. Doesn't matter too much but a random observation.

Math was my worst subject in college so forgive me for this question... How much smaller of a pack size is 5"x21" than 6"x18"?
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Wonder if their specs shown are incorrect:
for an additional 50% more weight (1lb 7oz), you get over twice the square feet. I personally like that deal.
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Have you had to spend an entire day in a tent yet because of rain ? You would appreciate a two man tent if you did.
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Originally Posted by robow
Wonder if their specs shown are incorrect:
for an additional 50% more weight (1lb 7oz), you get over twice the square feet. I personally like that deal.
Could be, not sure. I think I'm going to order the Spitfire Solo and try them side by side and make a decision which to take.

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Have you had to spend an entire day in a tent yet because of rain ? You would appreciate a two man tent if you did.
Rain doesn't bother me. I live in the PNW. I've spent time in the Spitfire Solo in rainstorms at night and didn't bother me. If it's raining during the day I don't pitch my tent and hunker down. I keep riding.
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Originally Posted by 3speed
Hmm... Yeah, I agree if you don't need a tent with that much room, send it back. 4lb is a bit heavy for a solo tent. If you think you'd enjoy the extra room then maybe it's something to consider. I personally use a 2 person tent, but it comes off as more of a nice and roomy 1 person and is barely over 3lb. It is nice having the extra room, but personally, I probably wouldn't carry my tent if it weighed over 4. But the extra 1lb might be worth the comfort for you?
Just to clarify;The 4lb Spitfire 2 is a 2 person tent.
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Personally I'm a weight weenie and tend to carry as little as possible. 25L is all the room I have so I would send the tent back... But if your carrying a tradition 4 pannier load with all sorts of gear, 2 pounds ain't going to make a big different to things.

Could do the wrong thing and sell the 2 man tent, use the money to buy the 1 man version and pocket the extra cash
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Originally Posted by Ty0604
Just to clarify;The 4lb Spitfire 2 is a 2 person tent.
Yup. Sorry, when I said "solo tent" I was referring to it being used and carried by one person. I can see where that wasn't clear. I consider my 2 person tent a solo tent because I use it for just me. It's a roomy, 3lb solo tent for me.
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I've never been in a tent I've felt I had too much room. I'd probably keep it, but that is simply my opinion, 1.5# is nothing that concerns me personally.
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btw whats with all the medals hanging on the wall.
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Originally Posted by boomhauer
Have you had to spend an entire day in a tent yet because of rain ? You would appreciate a two man tent if you did.
Of course the come back is, "have you ridden in the mountains all day carrying twice as much weight as necessary?"
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Originally Posted by SparkyGA
Personally I'm a weight weenie and tend to carry as little as possible. 25L is all the room I have so I would send the tent back... But if your carrying a tradition 4 pannier load with all sorts of gear, 2 pounds ain't going to make a big different to things.

Could do the wrong thing and sell the 2 man tent, use the money to buy the 1 man version and pocket the extra cash
I use two rear panniers only. 14L each. Even then neither of them is ever full. I could fit all of my gear into one but throws my balance off obviously. Extra room helps for food when I need to carry it too.

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Yup. Sorry, when I said "solo tent" I was referring to it being used and carried by one person. I can see where that wasn't clear. I consider my 2 person tent a solo tent because I use it for just me. It's a roomy, 3lb solo tent for me.
Oh! Thanks for the clarification

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Various race medals. Most are boxed up but those are some of my favorites. I run for a living.

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Of course the come back is, "have you ridden in the mountains all day carrying twice as much weight as necessary?"
+1 - Except I would say "any" more weight than necessary
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Originally Posted by nun
Of course the come back is, "have you ridden in the mountains all day carrying twice as much weight as necessary?"
Depends on who defines what "twice as much as necessary" really means.
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If it's really a difference of 1.5 lbs. and no plans to ever have two people inside then I'd opt for the solo version. I have a Spitfire-1 and always bring all my gear (except the bike) inside at night and have never felt cramped. But mine weighs a little more than specified. Even substituting very lightweight stakes it comes in at just a bit over 3 lbs. So I'd first weigh the two-person model before making a decision instead of relying on the manufacturer's specs.
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