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Old 03-02-17, 12:53 AM
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Weight: Bike Fully Loaded -Water -Rider

For those who do not pack "light", I'm wondering what weight you're at with your bike fully loaded, but minus water and minus you. So, just the bike and the gear itself with no water loaded. If you carry a lock, please include that as well, and if not, please mention that you don't. My lock weighs about 3.5 pounds.

My guess is somewhere around 75-85 lbs. or so for a heavily loaded bike. Am I about right?

I'm about to do a trail load for the first time, and I want to see what kind of numbers I should be expecting.
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Last summer, our bike bag + bike + trailer + camping gear for 2 and 1 pannier was still legal at just under 23kg. Another pannier used as carry-on luggage carried clothing and misc, at 5.5kg. Total would be 60ish pounds. Add food and water and we are at 70 pounds at the most. And that is gear for two (1 adult + 1 child).

The story is a bit more contrived as I was in charge of all luggage, meaning that my bike was fitted with 6 panniers (2 on an extra-wheel, 2 on a rear rack and 2 on a front rack) while my wife was pulling our little one. So my bike was actually loaded at 30kgs of base weight + whatever food and water, maybe additional 8kgs i.e. 120+ pounds total.

So... at 75-85 pounds you shouldn't be in an impossible situation. Nothing to worry about. You could very probably ride lighter. It'll take a few hundred miles to figure what is the value that you put in an extra pound of gear. You may find yourself learning about cuben fiber vs silnylon, titanium sporks and such. Or not

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Originally Posted by gauvins View Post
Last summer, our bike bag + bike + trailer + camping gear for 2 and 1 pannier was still legal at just under 23kg. Another pannier used as carry-on luggage carried clothing and misc, at 5.5kg. Total would be 60ish pounds. Add food and water and we are at 70 pounds at the most. And that is gear for two (1 adult + 1 child).

The story is a bit more contrived as I was in charge of all luggage, meaning that my bike was fitted with 6 panniers (2 on an extra-wheel, 2 on a rear rack and 2 on a front rack) while my wife was pulling our little one. So my bike was actually loaded at 30kgs of base weight + whatever food and water, maybe additional 8kgs i.e. 120+ pounds total.

So... at 75-85 pounds you shouldn't be in an impossible situation. Nothing to worry about. You could very probably ride lighter. It'll take a few hundred miles to figure what is the value that you put in an extra pound of gear. You may find yourself learning about cuben fiber vs silnylon, titanium sporks and such. Or not

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Wow! That's quite a pack! Yes, it will be a very enlightening experience to actually get out and do this for the first time. There is no teacher like experience! Thanks for sharing!
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Originally Posted by AdvXtrm View Post
For those who do not pack "light", I'm wondering what weight you're at with your bike fully loaded, but minus water and minus you. So, just the bike and the gear itself with no water loaded. If you carry a lock, please include that as well, and if not, please mention that you don't. My lock weighs about 3.5 pounds.

My guess is somewhere around 75-85 lbs. or so for a heavily loaded bike. Am I about right?

I'm about to do a trail load for the first time, and I want to see what kind of numbers I should be expecting.
I aim for half my body weight or less.
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
I aim for half my body weight or less.
That sounds sensible to me, and may be right about where I end up.
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Originally Posted by AdvXtrm View Post
That sounds sensible to me, and may be right about where I end up.
I just find that works best when I've got hills to climb or longish days of cycling ... or even, at the end of a day, if I've got to walk up 4 flights of stairs with all my gear to get to my room in the hostel.
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Hit the road and you'll soon find out what works for you! Everybody's different in terms of what's important to them and what they are physically capable of.

My bike weighs in about 13kg - about 28lbs
My gear - 4 panniers, 1 rackbag weighs in about 25 kg - 55 lbs
I recently changed my lock to a superlightweight but very strong "homemade" lock made by a man here in NL. Weight dropped from about 1,5 kg to ,5 kg.

I crossed the Alps twice with that load in September without too much hardship.
I'm just back from a 5 day winter tour here in NL and had everything I needed to keep me warm & dry.

I could go lighter. My tent is about 5,5 kg -12 lbs - certainly not ultralight but I like it. It's strong and keeps me protected when I really need it. I also carry 3 types of pegs. Overkill? Maybe, but I was glad I had the choice when setting up the tent in high winds in boggy land. Regular pegs had no grip.

One thing I've noticed is that I carry waaaaaay too much food! It must be my Irish background, but I always end up bringing a lot of food back! Having said that, I've "rescued" a couple of different cyclists over the years who showed up to camp with minimal provisions. It's sociable to share

I also pack a chair (recent innovation) about 800g. Luxury yes? But who wants to sit on wet ground?

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Originally Posted by HobbesOnTour View Post
Hit the road and you'll soon find out what works for you! Everybody's different in terms of what's important to them and what they are physically capable of.

My bike weighs in about 13kg - about 28lbs
My gear - 4 panniers, 1 rackbag weighs in about 25 kg - 55 lbs
I recently changed my lock to a superlightweight but very strong "homemade" lock made by a man here in NL. Weight dropped from about 1,5 kg to ,5 kg.

I crossed the Alps twice with that load in September without too much hardship.
I'm just back from a 5 day winter tour here in NL and had everything I needed to keep me warm & dry.

I could go lighter. My tent is about 5,5 kg -12 lbs - certainly not ultralight but I like it. It's strong and keeps me protected when I really need it. I also carry 3 types of pegs. Overkill? Maybe, but I was glad I had the choice when setting up the tent in high winds in boggy land. Regular pegs had no grip.

One thing I've noticed is that I carry waaaaaay too much food! It must be my Irish background, but I always end up bringing a lot of food back! Having said that, I've "rescued" a couple of different cyclists over the years who showed up to camp with minimal provisions. It's sociable to share

I also pack a chair (recent innovation) about 800g. Luxury yes? But who wants to sit on wet ground?

Good luck on your trip!
You'll learn from whatever you bring.....and leave behind!
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Thanks, I'm not going light at all, that's for sure. I've got a medium-weight tent, about 5 lbs., a large thick sleeping pad, and a large sleeping bag. With my poor beat up old body, I'll need some comfort at the end of the day. I'm going fully self-contained and self-supported. No credit card touring, no rooms, just me and my tent and supplies the whole way, every day and night.

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@AdvXtrm, Like everyone else I carried more than I really needed at first. Experience is the best teacher for whether weight increases or decreases.
@Machka was the first to give a working guideline, 1/2 body weight, that I had read and I think it's a pretty good target for a self supported load.

To answer your question, bike + panniers + top bag + repair items - a lock hovers at 80 lb. with the most baggage I can remember carrying. Add H2O and the weight increases, of course.

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There are many touring cyclist here on the forum wishing to get started.
How do they pass the time, on a weigh scale, ha-ha.
Last spring I rode loaded each week-end. Goal 100km each day. Once the weather warmed I camped overnight, spoke/hub trips to shake down my equipment. By the time my 2400km trek started, I could only guess what my total weighed. I have changed a few things through experience. More comfort, and some weight savings. It is what it is, and I think it will be just above 80lbs before water, as that can be 6 liters at times depending on the remoteness of the day ahead. My basic test is can I lift it loaded over an obstacle. Guard rail, etc.

Let's get out and ride, even if it is to strengthen, and build endurance. Then, off we go !



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Those of us who travel by air at some point during our tours do indeed weigh everything. Even going slightly over the 23 kg limit can be expensive.
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Originally Posted by AdvXtrm View Post
That sounds sensible to me, and may be right about where I end up.
That half of body weight limit makes sense as an upper limit for smaller lighter riders, because it is likely the limit of what they can man handle. It is really a lot for a larger rider. IMO, even for smaller riders it is a "do not exceed" kind of limit rather than a "shoot for" one. Again, in my opinion.

In answer to the original question...
I have done a variety of packing styles generally starting out heavy and over time going increasingly lighter. Here are a few of the steps along the way:
  • Heavy first tour (Trans America) - 70-85# I started out at the heavy end and edited along the way by mailing stuff home or even discarding things. Even then I felt as if it was more stuff than optimum. I did carry a light cable lock. It was fine, but I really don't think the extra weight make for any more comfort.
  • First attempt at going lighter - 60# Same bike less stuff and lighter choices. I didn't miss a single thing and there was basically no downside to the lighter packing style. I think this is kind of a sweet spot for those who don't want to go really light and don't enjoy a more minimalist style
  • Lighter yet - 52# Same bike but with only front panniers and tent on rear rack
  • Really starting to get light - 38# Lighter bike, tarp and bivy setup, minimalist type gear. This was still quite comfortable for me, but is likely to minimalist for a lot of folks. I find the minimalist style comfortable. very rewarding, and fun.
  • Really light - 30# Using a road race style bike and lighter versions of the same items yields a similar experience to the next heavier approach only with the fun of riding a sportier more responsive bike pretty much unladen.
I found all of these approaches to be enjoyable and every rider's sweet spot is likely to fall at a different point on the spectrum. For me, I am not likely to ever go much over 50# including the bike unless it is an off road tour with infrequent restock opportunities.

I think that the list of approaches I have taken represents the practical range and going much outside that range in either direction would be kind of extreme IMO.
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Originally Posted by AdvXtrm View Post
That sounds sensible to me, and may be right about where I end up.
If I were to keep it at/just under half my body weight, I wouldnt get 10mi down the road before I gave up.
Keep in mind this is an arbitrary weight goal coming from a female. It makes sense for her, and she is clearly very successful with this approach, but it works for her because of her circumstances.
Apply it to 6'5 230 and it becomes absurd.
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Let's get out and ride, even if it is to strengthen, and build endurance. Then, off we go !
Long range forecast for the Philly/S. Jersey area suggests good enough weather for a three-day weekend tour. Going to keep my fingers crossed. I have plenty of accrued vacation time.
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Long range forecast for the Philly/S. Jersey area suggests good enough weather for a three-day weekend tour. Going to keep my fingers crossed. I have plenty of accrued vacation time.
I'm glad (for you).

Our forecast is above freezing Sunday, Monday. Tempted to hang 4 panniers on my bike try say 60km for fun, and exercise. I have a real low slug set of front racks this year. I have developed a preference for front loading my ride 60/40ish.

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I'm glad (for you).

Just to be clear, that's next weekend, not this coming weekend. Don't think I will be riding this weekend. I have become a cold weather weenie. I will put up with it if I run into it during a tour in a really nice place, but I am not going to go out in cold weather around here.
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Just to be clear, that's next weekend, not this coming weekend. Don't think I will be riding this weekend. I have become a cold weather weenie. I will put up with it if I run into it during a tour in a really nice place, but I am not going to go out in cold weather around here.
I'm still glad (ha-ha).


There are some that will take all season getting it right before they venture out. Hell, 2 or 3 overnighters or even a distant picnic will refine so much. Including weight distribution and/or total.

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Mine was 27kg in box on the way home. I'd say the box was roughly the same weight as the pannier I carried on, so 60# give or take a couple. Bike weighs roughly 30#, and that weight was my first tour (still learning what to pack) rambling around Europe (i.e., no camping, but a collection of bottled beer to bring home and probably more clothes and electronics than necessary).

I'm shooting for less than that before my next trip, which involved camping, and around that once loaded with food and in-country purchases.
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I have no doubt that the first thing that will come to mind once I try a fully loaded ride is, "how much of this stuff can I leave behind"? lol

I'm going to make a long list of everything I think I could need, lay it all out on the floor, try and eliminate what I think I can do without, try and minimize and go for lighter versions of what I keep, and then head out.

One item that I could probably do without, but I think would be nice to have, is a tarp. I think it would weight about 1.5 lbs or so, including stakes and line. I'm imaging how nice it would be as a sun-shade and outside barrier from the weather and such, but do I "really" need it? And would I "really" use it? Right now this is my most questionable item.
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It all depends on season(s), location, and somewhat on duration. My total weight will vary from 45 lbs. for lightweight camping using my road bike to 70 lbs when I use the LHT; 30lbs. for the bike, and 40-45 lbs. gear. Seventy pounds, bike and all gear, is a very manageable load, and I have arrived at that weight over a couple decades of evolution. Contrary to all the light-weight rhetoric; I started touring with much lighter weights and worked my way up

I can save 3 lbs. by using my Bianchi, Volpe instead of the LHT.

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There................................................. My basic test is can I lift it loaded over an obstacle. Guard rail, etc.

Let's get out and ride, even if it is to strengthen, and build endurance. Then, off we go !



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It all depends on season(s), location, and somewhat on duration. My total weight will vary from 45 lbs. for lightweight camping using my road bike to 70 lbs when I use the LHT; 30lbs. for the bike, and 40-45 lbs. gear. Seventy pounds, bike and all gear, is a very manageable load, and I have arrived at that weight over a couple decades of evolution. Contrary to all the light-weight rhetoric; I started touring with much lighter weights and worked my way up

I can save 3 lbs. by using my Bianchi, Volpe instead of the LHT.
That makes good sense friend, thanks for sharing that. I do hate that you posted a picture of that sexy Bianchi though; I've always wanted one of those bikes! lol
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...My basic test is can I lift it loaded over an obstacle. Guard rail, etc...
Mine is the ability to hike my rig 1/4 mile+ (knarly hiking trail or beach).
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Originally Posted by staehpj1 View Post
That half of body weight limit makes sense as an upper limit for smaller lighter riders, because it is likely the limit of what they can man handle. It is really a lot for a larger rider. IMO, even for smaller riders it is a "do not exceed" kind of limit rather than a "shoot for" one.
Yes, it is an upper limit, not a goal.

I'll go as light as I can while still maintaining a certain degree of comfort.
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Originally Posted by Doug64 View Post
Yup!
Doug you have posted this photo before after my same statement. Great, of note my current front Panniers are as low as yours. I sure prefer heavy low front's.
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Mine is the ability to hike my rig 1/4 mile+ (knarly hiking trail or beach).
My route's have yet to land me in this extreme. I'm a pavement guy.
Darn, I sure look forward to riding along loaded.

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