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Old 03-15-17, 06:30 PM   #26
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The correct answer is it's up to the host.

Fellow Central Texan's opinion: this guy might not even be on a bike tour, and even if he is, that's not why he needs a place to stay in Austin this week. He's simply looking for a free hotel for SXSW. He'd pay $200/night if it weren't for WarmShowers. After two days, I'd start charging that much.

Better yet, I wouldn't host during SXSW.

The first WS request I ever got was a guy who wanted to stay for - no **** - five months. At the time, I lived in Silicon Valley. He might as well have asked for a check for $7,000.
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Guests, like fish, begin to smell after 3 days.
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Ben stole that, as he did many others.

"As one might imagine, Ben Franklin didn’t conceive all of these witty epigrams himself. Sometimes he took old ones and adapted them to the times and his voice. “Fish and visitors stink in three days” actually originally comes from the 16th century writer John Lyly. In his most famous work, Euphues – the Anatomy of Wit, he writes, “Fish and guests in three days are stale.” Euphues (from Greek, meaning “graceful and witty”) was such a success when it was published in 1579, that today’s English word “euphemism” is derived from the title of the book Two hundred years later, Franklin would adopt a version of this saying as his own."
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Ben stole that, as he did many others.
[it] originally comes from the 16th century writer John Lyly. In his most famous work, Euphues – the Anatomy of Wit, he writes, “Fish and guests in three days are stale.”....
Thanks for that tidbit.

Now the $64 question. ---- Who did Lyly steal it from?
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Thanks for that tidbit.

Now the $64 question. ---- Who did Lyly steal it from?
Some Neanderthal, that left a message in a cave somewhere...
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I wasn't quoting that Benjamin Franklin, I was quoting Bennie Franklin from my 3rd grade class that used to like sticking pencils up his nose and making walrus sounds, geesh !
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Many years ago I lived in Austin and let someone stay on my couch for "a few days." Six months later, we had to move to get rid of him.

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I have always assumed that guests would stay one night unless they said otherwise when asking to stay. When we were in Maryland no one ever stayed more than one night with us. Here in Tallahassee it seems that if you aren't careful some folks might just move in. One guest and his two dogs stayed with us. It turned out that the "well behaved" dogs weren't as well behaved as promised. The guy stayed longer than we expected and one of his dogs bit our dog badly enough to leave a scar. His comments made it clear that it definitely wasn't the first time the dogs were trouble and that it had apparently killed a cat (later another host reported it killed his chickens). We then encouraged him to leave. He was supposedly riding across the country, but upon checking it seems that he was in Tallahassee for at least a couple weeks. His dogs later got into more trouble at other guests homes before disappearing from Warmshowers.org.

It seems that it isn't uncommon for there to be "bike tourists" bouncing around from host to host here and not really going anywhere.

To me touring means that you are riding everyday or at least nearly every day and are making progress toward some destination. There may be the occasional rest day, but personally I wouldn't typically plan on a rest day while staying with a host. I expect the same from my guests unless they specify up front that they wast to stick around a few days and see the local sights. In that case I might offer to show them around or I might tell them there is a one day limit if I don't feel like having guests for more than overnight.

It seems to me that it can start to be freeloading pretty quickly if you are not careful. Waiting for parts is one exception, but should be a rare experience for two nights to not be enough to get a bike fixed in a town with numerous bike shops.

As a guest I found it kind or awkward to use WS because I don't want to plan ahead where i will stop or when. I typically don't know before I get there when or even if I will stay in a given town and hosts usually want notice that you are coming and when.

As a result I have mostly given up on WS as both a host and as a guest. I'd continue to host, but screening out the folks who are freeloading their way around town is more trouble than I care to deal with.
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Yeah I wish WS had resources to develop a smartphone app for making/accepting requests, it would be far more convenient to deal with during the day than calling/in-site messaging.
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We then encouraged him to leave.
That's much politer of a reaction than I would have had.

Sorry, not having used warmshowers before, I didn't realize it was dedicated to the bike touring community, I just assumed it was another generic Couchsurfing type site, which I've had some experience. In that case, I'd politely decline his request if he wasn't arriving on a touring bike and happy with 1-2 nights.
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We've hosted a few times and just play it by ear. One of our rules is that the guest has to be out of the house when we are. As both my wife and I leave home at 0600 and 0650 respectively on weekdays, we have had some grousing from some quests but most of them understand. We also aren't comfortable with leaving a key for guests.

We did have one fellow that stayed 5 days but he was lovely and was perfectly willing to leave the house when we did. He spent the days going to museums, libraries and even caught a baseball game.
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Seems to me some locales may be more prone to abuse, we have had none on several years of hosting. No one has mentioned feedback, WS has it for a reason
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I got that feeling from my "smelly" guest. I can't remember how I found out. Maybe he told me. Anyway I learned he had been staying in Clinton which is just west of here. I have made that ride out and back in a lazy afternoon. I got the feeling he was just using warmshowers for a place to stay. I contacted the host in Clinton and he had the same impression. I made certain to leave for work right after him to see if he was loading the bike in a car but I at least was able see him rolling down the road. He may have had a car stashed around the corner I won't know.

Florida has to have tons of boats looking for free crew. If I were homeless that is what I would do. When I volunteered on the Brig Niagara out of Erie, I meet a full time volunteer that was homeless. He had a place to sleep, three meals a day and he was happy. I sort of envied him.
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We've hosted a few times and just play it by ear. One of our rules is that the guest has to be out of the house when we are. As both my wife and I leave home at 0600 and 0650 respectively on weekdays, we have had some grousing from some quests but most of them understand. We also aren't comfortable with leaving a key for guests.

We did have one fellow that stayed 5 days but he was lovely and was perfectly willing to leave the house when we did. He spent the days going to museums, libraries and even caught a baseball game.
I have the same rules. Hard to believe anyone would say anything though. If you told me to leave at 4 AM I would either do so or find other arrangements. I certainly wouldn't complain.

The worst I have had when I tell someone I leave early is maybe a sigh or disappointed look.

Some people are really accommodating. They really don't care if you are there or not. When I did my tour of the Pacific coast a BF member offered me a place to stay. When I arrived at the door he was not yet home (we sort of knew that could happen and he told us to go inside). I called him to let him know we were there and would wait outside. He insisted we go inside. Reluctantly I went in to find a note of where to find the beer and a list of places to go in his car, keys were provided.

Not sure I could ever be that open. Maybe with a BF member that I had known online for a while but even with that I would not be sure I could be that trusting.
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Yeah I wish WS had resources to develop a smartphone app for making/accepting requests, it would be far more convenient to deal with during the day than calling/in-site messaging.
Good luck waiting for that. The search has not worked in months. Doubtful anything new would come out.
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I have had people try and make "appointments" a month ahead, for when they "thought they were going to be here"... Meaning they didn't actually start their trip yet, but wanted to "reserve" their spot... and my contact info specifically says 1 to 2 days before you get here, then call to see if I am available...

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I have had people try and make "appointments" a month ahead, for when they "thought they were going to be there"... Meaning they didn't actually start their trip yet, but wanted to "reserve" their spot...

What is wrong with that? That is a lot better than getting notice the day of as a number of prospective guests have tried to do to me.

I would not mind at all getting a month notice as long as I got a follow up notification a couple of days before.


Don't know what your profile says specifically but it could be interpreted as at least one or two days notice. If it is indeed very specific then of course it should he honored. One of my pet peeves is people that don't read the profile.

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Seems to me some locales may be more prone to abuse, we have had none on several years of hosting. No one has mentioned feedback, WS has it for a reason
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What is wrong with that? That is a lot better than getting notice the day of as a number of prospective guests have tried to do to me.

I would not mind at all getting a month notice as long as I got a follow up notification a couple of days before.


Don't know what your profile says specifically but it could be interpreted as at least one or two days notice. If it is indeed very specific then of course it should he honored. One of my pet peeves is people that don't read the profile.
That is exactly what my profiles says, 1 to 2 days notice as I have a habit of just going (fishing or camping) whenever I want/decide... I don't want to be not going somewhere (fishing or camping) because someone "thinks" they will be there sometime "around" that day. I am not a hotel, and most people just don't know where they will be on a specific day on a 30+ day tour in my experience...

Did you, read in my post where in my contact info I "specifically said 1 to 2 days before you get there, then call to se if I am available"...

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SXSW.... these film makers?..... they are professional liars.....that's how they get stuff done.
Kick their ass out.
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We were recently told about warmshowers by someone (don't remember who) and have requested one night in Las Vegas to get the bike sorted and whatnot (and also because we're not really fussed about Las Vegas...). However, I was under the impression that it was like couchsurfing, but for cyclists. But after reading this forum I'm thinking not really?

Do hosts expect a lot of talk like on couchsurfing? I've used CS for a few years and have even hosted about half a dozen people in Spain where we took them out to the beach and whatnot. Sometimes you got great guests, other times you got people that didn't really want to do anything but stay in their room. Which normally is fine for me, but CS is supposed to be used more so like a chatty, hanging out stay of 1-3 days on average (which is why I don't use it if I'm not in the mood to talk and just want to sleep). Is this the same with warmshowers? I'm assuming it'll change with the hosts, but like general use of it is...? Cheers.
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We were recently told about warmshowers by someone (don't remember who) and have requested one night in Las Vegas to get the bike sorted and whatnot (and also because we're not really fussed about Las Vegas...). However, I was under the impression that it was like couchsurfing, but for cyclists. But after reading this forum I'm thinking not really?

Do hosts expect a lot of talk like on couchsurfing? I've used CS for a few years and have even hosted about half a dozen people in Spain where we took them out to the beach and whatnot. Sometimes you got great guests, other times you got people that didn't really want to do anything but stay in their room. Which normally is fine for me, but CS is supposed to be used more so like a chatty, hanging out stay of 1-3 days on average (which is why I don't use it if I'm not in the mood to talk and just want to sleep). Is this the same with warmshowers? I'm assuming it'll change with the hosts, but like general use of it is...? Cheers.

It the US couchsurfing is EXTREMELY social. Almost to the point of being weird. I don't like using couchsurfing in the US. In Europe couchsurfing seems to be a bit more laid back. I have used both couchsurfing and warmshowers in Italy and Switzerland. I saw little difference between them except couchsurfing is more popular. They also have another hosting organization, name escapes me right now.

Warmshowers is as social as you want it to be. Personally I enjoy chatting with both hosts and guests But if a guest wants to have his own space I have no problem with that and with my new place it makes that a bit easier.
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It's about interacting/helping people who are doing the same thing as you, bicycling distances that take you into unfamiliar territory... IMO Now, what does that mean.? Whatever you want it to mean basically. Some people want to make friends from other places around the world, some people want some company, some people want a break in their trip, some people want a free place they can lay their head for the night and not talk/entertain others... What you may not want as a host, so... Expectations must be stated...
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Gotcha. And will probably avoids cs in America then as I thought the interaction about in Europe and Australia was about as much as I could take... I'm not a very social person after like two hours unless we really kick it off. Forced interaction is one of the most miserable things for me.
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