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jefnvk 04-28-17 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by thepetester (Post 19544741)
Considering food and definitely taking tools spare tubes and chain because I seem to have a bad luck thing where my chains always jam up, the last one hadn't been oiled for awhile so there is that.

But thanks to all of the great advice I think that I'll have a great time,thanks again.

I'd just replace it before you left. No reason a chain should go bad in four weeks.

As to a spare, if you have a chain tool, you can repair the old one to get you to a replacement.

79pmooney 04-28-17 11:20 AM

And another one, for the bike. Triflow. The small squeeze bottle. Put it in a ziplock bag. The stuff flows incredibly well! For chains, derailleurs, brakes and everything else that moves. Yes, there are better lubricants for each purpose, but Triflow does to all, quite well. (And while your drivetrain will go to filthy black - hence the hence the Bronners - Triflow is not a gunk magnet.) Just remember to shake well before application otherwise you are just using a very light oil that evaporates off. I re-shake mid-way for chain lubes.

Ben

KD5NRH 04-28-17 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by king_boru (Post 19543744)
I'm wrong because I prefer it that way?

Not entirely; that's only one of the reasons you're wrong.

king_boru 04-28-17 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by KD5NRH (Post 19544898)
Not entirely; that's only one of the reasons you're wrong.

Care to enlighten me?

KD5NRH 04-28-17 11:39 AM

And don't forget to take a nice suit; don't want to look like a weirdo in church.

alan s 04-28-17 12:25 PM

Shirt and shoes.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...94a84bfbe1.jpg

Trevtassie 04-28-17 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Leebo (Post 19544749)
I like one of those soft packs that fold up when not in use.

Yeppo, though I learnt the hard way to make sure it has a sealed liner, think standing in Narita airport saying "ooooo, something stinks" then realsing it's your cooler.

J.Higgins 04-28-17 07:11 PM

[MENTION=345426]thepetester[/MENTION] Dude, if your chains jam up like that something is wrong for sure. Either your derailleurs are misadjusted, or your chain needs cleaning and lubing. Probably both. Serious and comprehensive chain cleaning and care will enhance your enjoyment of the ride. I consider it a daily chore before I ride.

As far as the absolute necessary gear to take, I am still learning myself, so I can't truly comment on that. Aside from the basic necessities (tent/sleeping bag/water/etc), I'll be carrying my iPhone and a Garmin inReach Explorer on my Tour Divide trip next June.

thepetester 04-28-17 08:11 PM

Yeah im in a very dry dusty place so both of my last bikes were as such,I mean I DO lube my rides accordingly but it must be a combo of the type of dust and the type of lube being just exactly wrong,I just bought a used mtb for town cruising which was lubed enough but the deraillure snapped off so the chain must have stuck somewhere,this stuff here is like red powdery dust that turns solid when compressed,thanks though.

Happy Feet 04-28-17 11:07 PM

Did we ever determine what type of touring this was?

Otherwise seems a pretty ridiculous list to try to compile. I mean, why consider a tent a necessity when you are credit card touring? Why a cook stove when you are eating in cafes? Why knobby tires if you are touring on pavement? Or does the OP just want a list of every conceivable piece of kit a cyclist could possibly imagine and call it all necessity?

Towel and copy of HHGTTG (newly revised edition of course).

Darth Lefty 04-28-17 11:26 PM

The mountaineering approach is the Ten Essentials. Many of which are not needed if you are still sort of participating in civilization.

New Ten Essentials - A System Approach


Ten Essentials: The Classic List
  1. Map
  2. Compass
  3. Sunglasses and sunscreen
  4. Extra clothing
  5. Headlamp/flashlight
  6. First-aid supplies
  7. Firestarter
  8. Matches
  9. Knife
  10. Extra food
Ten Essential Systems
  1. Navigation (map & compass)
  2. Sun protection (sunglasses & sunscreen)
  3. Insulation (extra clothing)
  4. Illumination (headlamp/flashlight)
  5. First-aid supplies
  6. Fire (waterproof matches/lighter/candle)
  7. Repair kit and tools
  8. Nutrition (extra food)
  9. Hydration (extra water)
  10. Emergency shelter (tent/plastic tube tent/garbage bag)


jeanettebcrivel 04-29-17 01:58 AM

If you are going for bike journey you definitely need to have your bike, then money, first aid kit your proper riding gear then cloths, sunglasses. My brother was planning to go for a bike journey with his friends that time my father asked him to view online for the stuffs he should carry. He checked it out and found that sunglasses are an important part because while riding eyes get contact with dust and sunlight due to which eyes might get infected. So he did take his sunglass with him.

indyfabz 04-29-17 05:35 AM

The will.

saddlesores 04-29-17 07:32 AM

all you ever need:

1. P38
2. bowie knife
3. condom

(not necessarily in that order)

Squeezebox 04-29-17 07:48 AM

We'll never agree. I don't wear sunglasses. I don't even own an Ipad or laptop. I'm not much into photography. I must have bicycle shoes and slip on shoes. Where are you going? What time of year? Camping? Your list on the very same trip will be different than mine.
Short trips, like weekends, are great for figuring out what you want, need, and don't want.
A GPS in a remote area without smart phone service might be wise.
The big question is the difference between what you want and what you need.

reppans 04-29-17 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Squeezebox (Post 19546481)
A GPS in a remote area without smart phone service might be wise.

Smartphone GPSs work fine without cell service - you just need an app to download/store the maps into the smartphone. Not as battery efficient as regular GPS, but I only turn my GPS/radios on to spot check location anyways.

zebkedic 04-29-17 09:57 AM

Even google maps app for phones allows you to download offline maps so no service necessary. Agree however that phones seem to eat battery faster than a regular GPS.

Jim from Boston 04-29-17 10:36 AM

ABSOLUTE necessities?

Originally Posted by KD5NRH (Post 19544933)
And don't forget to take a nice suit; don't want to look like a weirdo in church.

I posted to this thread, Good touring clothes!

Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 19390029)
When I first read the title, I put the emphasis on “good,” as in “nice as one might wear to go to a nice restaurant, or a theater show, or maybe a cocktail party and not stand out.

Whe
n my wife and I crossed the country on our honeymoon, we were self-supported, and mostly in rural America. We did stop in Jefferson City, MO on her birthday, and went to a nice restaurant. I think we did both carry a nice pair of slacks and sports shirts.

…but in the meanwhile we learned social ballroom dancing, and that’s our main entertainment activity. So even if we were to go dancing at a casual place,like a bar, we both would like to have leather-soled shoes. However, were we to tour nowadays, we probably would go credit-card, or on an organized tour, and shoes would take up less space than a tent. :rolleyes:


stardognine 04-29-17 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 19546198)
The mountaineering approach is the Ten Essentials. Many of which are not needed if you are still sort of participating in civilization.

New Ten Essentials - A System Approach

Hey, you forgot the peanut M&Ms. 😁

DropBarFan 04-29-17 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by 79pmooney (Post 19543853)
Dr Bronner's Castile Soap. Only soap you'll need. Works for bathing, hair (might want some conditioner), clothes, dishes, bike parts and very well on any flesh exposed to poison ivy or oak. I'm sure there are many other uses.

Ben

I've used Bronner's for decades, good stuff. OTOH 3rd week of the no-soap thing & haven't stunk despite recent warm weather & skin feels a bit better. Of course it's good to have something to wash away poison ivy, plain water would probably just spread the urushiol oil around.

GPS isn't an absolute necessity but can be a big help when lost.

Water is the #1 absolute necessity, 2-L plastic water/soda bottles are light & almost free, good for getting thru some remoter stretches.

king_boru 04-29-17 10:42 PM

Baby wipes or body wipes aka the ones in old folks home work well in a pinch. It's worth having a pack on hand for a quick once over.

indyfabz 04-30-17 04:09 AM

Logic tells us that if GPS were a necessity no one would have toured before it became available to the general public.

J.Higgins 04-30-17 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by DropBarFan (Post 19547811)
I've used Bronner's for decades, good stuff. OTOH 3rd week of the no-soap thing & haven't stunk despite recent warm weather & skin feels a bit better. Of course it's good to have something to wash away poison ivy, plain water would probably just spread the urushiol oil around.

GPS isn't an absolute necessity but can be a big help when lost.

Water is the #1 absolute necessity, 2-L plastic water/soda bottles are light & almost free, good for getting thru some remoter stretches.

You said, "OTOH 3rd week of the no-soap thing & haven't stunk despite recent warm weather & skin feels a bit better." This is what my barber was telling me to do. He claims that soap is the worst thing your your hair and skin. He's a young feller - late twentyish - and a friend of the family. He's one of the new type of barbers that are seriously into their craft. Anyhow, I've tried the no soap thing and it works. Old habits die hard though.

My favorite flavor of Dr. Bronner's is eucalyptus. Its the perfect addition to a hot soak in the tub. I used to take a very small bottle of it on hikes. Great for washing up out on the trail.

thepetester 04-30-17 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 19547962)
Logic tells us that if GPS were a necessity no one would have toured before it became available to the general public.

Yep there's a lot to be said for logic I just figured that seeing as how it would be my first foray outside of town that I'd run it by you guy's first,it would really suck if needed one and didn't have one.

Trevtassie 04-30-17 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 19547962)
Logic tells us that if GPS were a necessity no one would have toured before it became available to the general public.

All those comedians making up sketches about lost husbands refusing to ask for help weren't basing that on some kind of reality...

If somebody who was from my state pulled up and asked me for directions now I'd treat them with a bit of suspicion, unless they were obviously old and didn't have a handle on technology.

Of course it also depends on where you are touring, try standing at a minor intersection in Japan or China and matching up the symbols on your map to to ones on the signs, yep, you can do it eventually, but hey, why ignore another source of information just because they didn't do that in the old days.

Doug64 04-30-17 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Trevtassie (Post 19549267)
All those comedians making up sketches about lost husbands refusing to ask for help weren't basing that on some kind of reality...

If somebody who was from my state pulled up and asked me for directions now I'd treat them with a bit of suspicion, unless they were obviously old and didn't have a handle on technology.

Of course it also depends on where you are touring, try standing at a minor intersection in Japan or China and matching up the symbols on your map to to ones on the signs, yep, you can do it eventually, but hey, why ignore another source of information just because they didn't do that in the old days.

Technology is nice, but it is not an absolute necessity. In most North American tours it isn't even a necessity. I find GPS/smart phone really handy for getting through large cities. Once out in the rural areas things are relatively simple.

GamblerGORD53 04-30-17 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 19547962)
Logic tells us that if GPS were a necessity no one would have toured before it became available to the general public.

:foo:
The population was 2/3 back then. Freeways were 1/10th. A whole lot of highways were 1 lane a side.
Nice try tho.

BigAura 04-30-17 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by saddlesores (Post 19546456)
all you ever need:

1. P38
2. bowie knife
3. condom

(not necessarily in that order)

For me in the past ten years of touring:

1. P38*

/done

*oops --> with more & more pull-tops probably not needed either

final answer: you don't NEED anything!

indyfabz 04-30-17 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53 (Post 19549435)
:foo:
The population was 2/3 back then. Freeways were 1/10th. A whole lot of highways were 1 lane a side.
Nice try tho.

Then how have I been able to tour as recently as this Easter weekend without GPS?

indyfabz 04-30-17 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by Trevtassie (Post 19549267)
All those comedians making up sketches about lost husbands refusing to ask for help weren't basing that on some kind of reality...

If somebody who was from my state pulled up and asked me for directions now I'd treat them with a bit of suspicion, unless they were obviously old and didn't have a handle on technology.

Of course it also depends on where you are touring, try standing at a minor intersection in Japan or China and matching up the symbols on your map to to ones on the signs, yep, you can do it eventually, but hey, why ignore another source of information just because they didn't do that in the old days.

I rode across the U.S. and then some back in '99 without GPS (or a cell phone). 'Bout 6000 miles. I will admit that I did get "lost" briefly 3 times.


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