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Old 06-07-17, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
So having myself never tried it, can someone that has please explain the danger of pulling a trailer behind a pull behind to me? I can understand if you are descending at 40MPH, but at touring with small children down the road to a campsite speeds, what is the actual (not imagined) danger?

There are plenty of things suggest on this board that were never designed, tested or suggested to be done in the manner they are explained, I don't buy that as a sole excuse.

Lots of people use kitty litter buckets for panniers. They were never designed for that. You screw up and say a bucket falls off or it gets cracked no big deal. Worst that happens is your gear gets dumped into the street.

Kids aren't camping gear. You shouldn't be using them to experiment with using equipment for which it is not designed.
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Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
no, dear. i'm comparing stupidity with stupidity.

but as to crinimal? depends on the location.
some places are more stricter on what they consider child endangerment.
really.
Yeah cause taking your kids on the trip of their lifetime is child endangerment. You're comparing stupid ILLEGAL acts to a father having LEGAL fun with his kids.

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Just because the trip just happened to go fine doesn't mean they were not in danger. It was pure dumb luck a tragedy did not occur. Controlling one trailer is a challenge enough. Trying to control two is simply unsafe.
He wasn't pulling two trailers. He was pulling a tagalong bike and a trailer. Two trailers would have been dangerous I agree. But the set up worked fine and it was a single trailer.
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Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
Kids aren't camping gear. You shouldn't be using them to experiment with using equipment for which it is not designed.
Surely if it is so dangerous, you can come up with something better than "it wasn't designed for that".

I'm an engineer. I can easily tell that it wasn't designed for that. I also am having a hard time seeing an obvious manner in which it is going to fail, if you'd be kind enough to articulate your fears, I may well end up agreeing with you. If you said something along the lines of "the attachment point of pull along bike X is only rated to haul 50lbs, and with a trailer and two kids you are pulling 100lbs", the argument becomes much more believable.

If I am traveling with young children, I am likely traveling in fairly flat grounds at fairly slow speeds, in an area with little or no traffic. I just don't see a horrific failure mode, but of course am open to suggestions
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Originally Posted by Ty0604 View Post
He wasn't pulling two trailers. He was pulling a tagalong bike and a trailer. Two trailers would have been dangerous ...........
okay, i give, you're right. he didn't have two trailers. he had a bicycle towing a thing with one wheel,
towing a thing with two wheels. so "technically" he wasn't towing two trailers; the first trailer
was towing the second trailer.
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
Surely if it is so dangerous, you can come up with something better than "it wasn't designed for that".

I'm an engineer. I can easily tell that it wasn't designed for that. I also am having a hard time seeing an obvious manner in which it is going to fail, if you'd be kind enough to articulate your fears, I may well end up agreeing with you. If you said something along the lines of "the attachment point of pull along bike X is only rated to haul 50lbs, and with a trailer and two kids you are pulling 100lbs", the argument becomes much more believable.

If I am traveling with young children, I am likely traveling in fairly flat grounds at fairly slow speeds, in an area with little or no traffic. I just don't see a horrific failure mode, but of course am open to suggestions
Many trail a bikes have a 100 lb rider limit and I have a hard time believing that 2 kids + a trailer would be less than 100 lbs, but I think @spinnaker seems more worried about squirrelly handling, but am not sure.
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Old 06-07-17, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
okay, i give, you're right. he didn't have two trailers. he had a bicycle towing a thing with one wheel,
towing a thing with two wheels. so "technically" he wasn't towing two trailers; the first trailer
was towing the second trailer.
I wouldn't consider a tagalong bike a "trailer" personally. Therefore my point. Some Googling of the matter shows it's rather safe though. Much more positive reviews than negatives.

Here's an old thread from here
http://www.bikeforums.net/tandem-cyc...insane-no.html
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BTW if you're really upset about Kurmaskie having fun with his kids you should avoid reading his other book Mud,
Sweat and Gears


Mud, Sweat, and Gears: A Rowdy Family Bike Adventure Across Canada on Seven Wheels by Joe Kurmaskie ? Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists

http://bicyclinghub.blogspot.com/201...uthor-joe.html

Not only did he pull a tagalong with a trailer with a kid in the trailer but he rode a tandem with a tagalong and a kid in a trailer. In Momentum is Your Friend the older boy from the tagalong is now on the tandem while the boy from the trailer is now on the tagalong. His youngest son is in the trailer.

In some photos his wife is riding her own bike and in others she's part of the tandem as seen below. I don't recall how that worked out on the tour. It's been awhile since I read the book.

This is Kurmaskie's set up on that tour. Guess what? The trip went fine and they all had a great time.



Here's another photo of his whole family. His wife is in the middle seat of the tandem.


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Old 06-07-17, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Wow, well this thread went off the rails rather quickly.
Ikr. Should have seen it coming.
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Old 06-07-17, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
Surely if it is so dangerous, you can come up with something better than "it wasn't designed for that".

I'm an engineer. I can easily tell that it wasn't designed for that. I also am having a hard time seeing an obvious manner in which it is going to fail, if you'd be kind enough to articulate your fears, I may well end up agreeing with you. If you said something along the lines of "the attachment point of pull along bike X is only rated to haul 50lbs, and with a trailer and two kids you are pulling 100lbs", the argument becomes much more believable.

If I am traveling with young children, I am likely traveling in fairly flat grounds at fairly slow speeds, in an area with little or no traffic. I just don't see a horrific failure mode, but of course am open to suggestions

He wasn't always traveling on flat ground with no or little traffic. He went 4000 miles across country in all types of conditions.

This contraption is too long with too many moving parts. Too difficult to control under multiple conditions that you will encounter over 4000 miles. Just hauling 100 lbs of equipment is one thing. hauling 100 lbs. of children is a different matter.


I find it extremely hard to believe that your company would sanction the use of their equipment for which it was not designed or tested.
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Old 06-07-17, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
So having myself never tried it, can someone that has please explain the danger of pulling a trailer behind a pull behind to me? I can understand if you are descending at 40MPH, but at touring with small children down the road to a campsite speeds, what is the actual (not imagined) danger?

There are plenty of things suggest on this board that were never designed, tested or suggested to be done in the manner they are explained, I don't buy that as a sole excuse.
Frankly I'd be less worried about the trailer and more worried about the trailer bike. Having pulled a trailer at speeds in excess of 45 mph...and I would have gone faster if not for the stoker on the tandem (wife) screaming that we were all going to die...two wheel trailers are extremely stable.

Trailer bikes, on the other hand, aren't. I've seen far too many of them with the kid leaning one way while the parent struggling to keep the bike upright only to have the kid lean the other way. Highly unstable. I even watched as a little girl on a trailer bike was distracted on a slow corner and she followed Newton's Laws of Motion right into the pavement. At the very least, I would clip the little kid's feet into pedals so they can't fall off...something I did with my kids on a tandem...which is far more stable for little kids than a trailer bike!
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Old 06-07-17, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by himespau View Post
Many trail a bikes have a 100 lb rider limit and I have a hard time believing that 2 kids + a trailer would be less than 100 lbs, but I think @spinnaker seems more worried about squirrelly handling, but am not sure.

Handling, multiple attachment points, attaching a trailer to a tag along wheel to which it was not designed, riding such a long contraption where there is vehicle traffic.
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Old 06-07-17, 12:06 PM
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Thanks @cyccommute and @himespau, that is the actual type of insight I was looking for: actual ways in which this could fail, not generic criticisms.

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I find it extremely hard to believe that your company would sanction the use of their equipment for which it was not designed or tested.
They wouldn't. Then again, comparing an OSHA regulated workplace to what I do in my off time isn't really analogous. Ever use a flat head screwdriver as a pry bar or a chisel in a pinch? It certainly was not designed for that use, but more often than not, it gets the job done. My job would be quite PO'd with me doing that, doesn't stop me at home.
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So How many Books do you have out? can you raise a family on your writing income?




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After reading about the this guy with his ridiculous kiddie trailer contraption, I am beginning to think that the OP's idea of a taglsalong and a trailer might not be that bad of an idea.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Wow, well this thread went off the rails rather quickly.
I took my daughter for a ride last night on the trail-a-bike. Three words: not gonna happen. For the very reasons listed above. Entirely too unstable. Add traffic and our hilly roads... and I'm not even considering the trailer.

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Originally Posted by steve-in-kville View Post
I took my daughter for a ride last night on the trail-a-bike. Three words: not gonna happen. For the very reasons listed above. Entirely too unstable. Add traffic and our hilly roads... and I'm not even considering the trailer.

Thanks for the replies.
For sure- trailabikes can be wobbly.
They arent all made the same though and the connection mounting point is a key part of whether a trailabike is junk or quality.
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For sure- trailabikes can be wobbly.
They arent all made the same though and the connection mounting point is a key part of whether a trailabike is junk or quality.
Center of gravity is way too high, buts thats the nature of the beast. My BOB rides good and low. And then there's the issue of braking. Almost should have air brakes!!
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I have heard the followme tandem with its axle attachment point is considerably more stable for what it's worth.
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I took my daughter for a ride last night on the trail-a-bike. Three words: not gonna happen. For the very reasons listed above. Entirely too unstable. Add traffic and our hilly roads... and I'm not even considering the trailer.

Thanks for the replies.
we had two of them over the years, one better than the other in terms of not going from side to side. Plus the second kid was better for not leaning over suddenly etc.
We used them more on bike paths and some times on quiet country roads and it was fine. Still have to watch out for parked cars etc for wobbles, as you surely found out.
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Originally Posted by steve-in-kville View Post
Center of gravity is way too high, buts thats the nature of the beast. My BOB rides good and low. And then there's the issue of braking. Almost should have air brakes!!
Yeah, high COG is why a good clamp is needed to reduce wobble. Even then, weight movement is easily noticed.

The weehoo we use is a recumbent trailbehind, so a low COG.
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Originally Posted by steve-in-kville View Post
I took my daughter for a ride last night on the trail-a-bike. Three words: not gonna happen. For the very reasons listed above. Entirely too unstable. Add traffic and our hilly roads... and I'm not even considering the trailer.

Thanks for the replies.
Tandem. My almost 4 year old daughter grew up to be a right fine cyclist






It's the most stable system I've run across. She's also the best stoker you could possibly imagine. Smooth as silk and never complains. One of my other stokers (her mother) complained all the time, mostly about how we were going to die
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One of my other stokers (her mother) complained all the time, mostly about how we were going to die
Funniest thing I've read so far today!
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One of my other stokers (her mother) complained all the time, mostly about how we were going to die
well, everyone of us are going to die eventually. Whether or not its on a tandem with a physcho, thats a different matter.

but yes, I know I know, some people have very different comfort levels for speed and knowing what is safe and what is not. I have riding friends who when skiing or biking, most likely see downhill runs through their eyes as if on a speeded up film clip, whereas we see it all in slow motion, aware of all the factors, road surface, wind, gradient, traction, dangerous points at side of road, blind spots etc etc and are very aware and confident of our turning, bike handling and braking abilities.

I can also understand to an extent of how terrifying it must be for someone who doesnt have this skillset being in a completely uncontrolling situation of being on the back of a tandem.
I never liked being on the back of a motorcycle with someone else generally unless I had complete confidence in them, and I raced motorcycles.
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