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Old 06-14-17, 09:47 AM
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Touring Security?

My question,
when your on a multi-day jaunt what does one bring for personal protection for that "just in case" situation?
How does one feel safe in wild country side/ middle of nowhere? or cutting through urban areas (a loaded tourer with ortlieb panniers is an awfully tempting target).

Has anyone even had run ins with scoff laws and near-do-wells? or wild beasts of ill repute?
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Old 06-14-17, 09:52 AM
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I feel as if this thread will lock in a heartbeat.

That said, the only way I'd consider it is if I were doing something like the backcountry in Alaska, where bears are a concern. Even then, probably not. This coming from a guy with a carry permit. Proper planning is far more crucial than being armed, and no, I don't think most people look at a loaded touring bike and think it is an enticing target for anything but non-violent theft when the owner isn't around.

Then again, I ride around some crummy suburbs of Detroit unarmed, which many consider foolish, what do I know?

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done this topic already.


Pot farmers, for crop protection, may be armed.


No I get out of the Country, tour in Europe.


Oregon and Pacific coast , Now, never seen any one packing out of hundreds a year, for many years,


although LBS sells a Handlebar mounted set of forks to carry Hunters Bows and rifles , because They use MTB's

And now electric powered MTB conversions, to get behind the gates to Clear cut and freshly cut forest lands,
for Elk and Deer Season.




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Halt! spray for dogs. I've never needed anything else.
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Originally Posted by NerdLord View Post
My question,
when your on a multi-day jaunt what does one bring for personal protection for that "just in case" situation??

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Old 06-14-17, 10:09 AM
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trojans
not durex?
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Old 06-14-17, 10:14 AM
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seriously though,
i'm not talking armed to the teeth Rambo-ish, toting an arsenal in your handlebar bag.
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How about those little paper twisted poppers kids throw on the ground and they pop/explode. They seems to scare animals away.
For personal protection from people.... Whatever you feel you need when you are not touring would be the same when you are touring, the act or fact you are "touring" doesn't change anything. The threat or person you are worried about doesn't know or care if you are touring, joyriding, going to work, sitting in the park, chilling on your living room, pumping gas, or going to the grocery store.

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Old 06-14-17, 10:37 AM
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A smile and situational awareness for most situations, and Halt II dog spray for dogs and attacking raccoons. My Swiss Army knife works on lunches.

We have ridden through large cities in eleven different countries, and have never had an incident, including Seattle, LA, San Francisco, San Diego, Detroit, Chicago, Gary, Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo, Springfield, Boston and dozens of large European cities.

While riding through Chicago we played a game of seeing how many people would return our smiles; a lot people did.

The closest we came to getting hurt was when we inadvertently rode between two drunk guys in Duncan, BC who where throwing rocks at each other. When I stopped a woman in a car also stopped next to me, and a wild throw broke the windshield of her car.

Animals, except dogs, raccoons and ravens have never been a problem. I've spent a long career as a forester working in many remote forests of the PNW, and have never felt the need to carry a weapon. I did carry a folding knife, as a tool but not as a weapon. I did encounter a cougar who was in a clump of brush hissing at me. As it turned out he was really sick and emaciated, and no threat. We came back later and put him out of his misery. He only weighed around 65 lbs.

You really need to think through carrying a weapon, how will you handle situations when you are on a bike? Run through some scenarios, and you will see that a weapon can cause way more problems than it will solve.

P.S. No one is going to rob you for a pannier full of dirty clothes.

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Hmmm, wild county side and boonies. I bring my sense of adventure and keep my wits about me, when needed. Protection from critters? Or the nice county folk looking to strike up a conversation. I don't tour much in cities. Just skirt the edges from time to time. Last year going through Lawrence MA, the " start" of a long rail trail consisted of abandoned rails through a gritty part of the city. Under a bridge there are 3 guys on a couch drinking a 40. 9 am on a Sunday. They ask if I have any change. I keep pedaling, toss them a breakfast bar and they shout thanks as I pass by. Helps being 6'4" too. I've toured all over New England, most people are nice, many are curious, start there. Not a CCW, or own one. Generally those threads get shut down. Critters? Coyotes? Skunks? I did hang my food once in bear country. So many people are helpful with directions, water and info. Disarm them with a smile and polite conversation, start there.
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Back when I started hitch-hiking, I read something from a veteran to the effect that if I didn't feel I could handle any situation which might arise I had best stay home.

Makes sense to me. Even if I brought ten guns and three knives, I might not have them handy ... and as many situations will involve law enforcement as will involve any other sorts of people ... a calm heart, a clear mind, and quick wits can get you out of almost anything.

Not saying there is anything wrong with carrying, or carrying on a tour. Just, to me, it would not be necessary in any situation in which I could reasonably imagine myself.
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Old 06-14-17, 10:53 AM
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BTW...To be pedantic, it's "scofflaw" and "ne'er-do-well".


Flying out for this on Saturday armed with my 24/7 sense of adventure:


https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19192705


Will take precautions that I see fit depending on the circumstances.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Flying out for this on Saturday armed with my 24/7 sense of adventure:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19192705
How long will that take? A week?

it would take me two or three ... way too much climbing. 7.5 % is a lot when you are hauling gear (for me it is a lot if I am riding a bike.) Looks like awesome terrain though.

I am a big Idaho fan ... no one seems to know it is there but it has all the awesome wilderness stuff anyone could hope for. Wouldn't want to bike it in the shape I am in now, though.

Enjoy it extra for me, please.
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CGOAB is a "gun free" site as it were, not to get into a political thing but the owners leanings don't go that way, so he doesn't encourage certain kinds of talk, as I understand. In spite of that, I have read many blogs there were people alluded to having something better than a kitchen knife on hand. The issue with touring outside your own state is the legality, when carrying a firearm. Obviously a rifle is too unwieldy, and the laws differ too much state to state even for a licensed carry. I would still consider having a nice knife with, but more for the utility of it than need as a weapon of defense...I tend to carry a pocket knife anyway and need it all the time.
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Identify the dangers and deal with them individually. I don't think there is a single thing you could bring with you that will protect you from vehicles, bears, snakes, ticks, poison ivy and sunburn. So start with the most likely, and work your way down. Wear a helmet and sunblock. Ride safely. Don't store food in or even near your tent. And so on. These are real dangers, and you can reduce the likelihood of them doing you harm. If you have so little trust in your fellow humans that you consider them a danger, you might as well stay home.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
How long will that take? A week?

it would take me two or three ... way too much climbing. 7.5 % is a lot when you are hauling gear (for me it is a lot if I am riding a bike.) Looks like awesome terrain though.

I am a big Idaho fan ... no one seems to know it is there but it has all the awesome wilderness stuff anyone could hope for. Wouldn't want to bike it in the shape I am in now, though.

Enjoy it extra for me, please.
13 riding days. One planned rest day. Some short days on purpose. Some long days. (Day 1 is close to 77 miles. May do as many as 83 on the penultimate day.) Day 2 will have many miles on dirt rail-trails, including the NorPac Trail up to Lookout Pass into ID. That northwest corner of MT is called "the Yaak." Pretty isolated. No cell phone or WiFi service. One little town with a few businesses for food and drink. Plan on spending two days back there.
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Originally Posted by NerdLord View Post
My question,
when your on a multi-day jaunt what does one bring for personal protection for that "just in case" situation?
How does one feel safe in wild country side/ middle of nowhere? or cutting through urban areas (a loaded tourer with ortlieb panniers is an awfully tempting target).

Has anyone even had run ins with scoff laws and near-do-wells? or wild beasts of ill repute?
The only people I've had problems with are bad drivers. Usually really old folks who shouldn't be driving backing in and out of parking lots.
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If I haven't been beaten or robbed by the "urban youth" in my city then it's not likely to happen anywhere else.
I will gladly hand over the $10 in cash that I carry with me.
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Originally Posted by NerdLord View Post
My question,
when your on a multi-day jaunt what does one bring for personal protection for that "just in case" situation?....
I may be lucky (so far) but in a lifetime of bike touring, I've never had an unfriendly encounter with a stranger. In fact the reverse is true, and I've met the kindest most gracious people wherever I went.

(of course this doesn't count the occasional nasty driver, but living in New York, I'm used to this sort of stuff, and it's neither a big deal or common enough to factor anyway).

Notwithstanding the above, I've always been a bit cautious about where I sleep. I look for places that meet the "out of sight, out of mind" test, or places with some degree of situational security, like behind the local firehouse.
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When I biked through Glacier and Waterton parks, I had a bear bell attached to my top tube. The road however was not rough enough to cause it to ring. I kept my eyes open. At one time saw a bear at a distance, decided to stop rolling until the bear left. The attached photo was taken with a powerful zoom, I had no desire to get closer.

There were a few parts of town where I decided to keep riding through instead of going into the grocery store.

Large dogs, I have been lucky so far, hopefully will continue to be lucky.

There are parts of cities where I have driven where I would not have wanted to bike through, thus if I was biking I would have made a detour.

A very large guy that was walking into campsites with his very large dog that looked like he was looking for valuables to grab decided to leave when he saw me get my cell phone out. I later reported him to the campground ranger.
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Situational awareness and trying to avoid stupid things that increase risks.

Example: today I crossed Paijan, Peru, a town notorious for bike robbery (try Google search or CGOAB search for Paijan).

I read the accounts of what others had done, e.g. alternative route, bus, police escort, etc and generally came up with action plan including crossing early in the day, asking police, etc and then executing that plan.
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I locked the bike to something while I slept .
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it slows me down on the climbs, but I know I can handle most anything with this.
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Just don't keep all your cash in one place, and if the unlikely happens, and you get robbed, so be it. Let them have your stuff. Nothing in a bike or bike pannier worth fighting over.
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