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Old 08-03-17, 10:30 AM   #1
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Day bag for supported tour on bike with no racks?

Sorry, dunno if this is better for the randonneuring/commuting forums. Feel free to move if it would be better answered elsewhere.

I am signed up for a supported tour at the end of the month, the kind where you pack up your gear in a duffel bag each morning and someone else drives it from camping site to camping site while you ride. Since I have no need to carry much gear, I was planning on taking one of my skinny tire road bikes, which don't have provisions for racks.

I'm looking for something that I can toss in my rain jacket, maybe a set of arm/leg warmers, a hat, small cable lock, etc. Nothing much, but more than I can fit in my handlebar bag. Is this something that a bikepacking seat bag would be suited for? Would a frame bag be more suitable for a road bike? Is there another option that I am not considering?
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Mountain Wedge III
6 liter capacity. really solid quality. I have a jandd half frame bag and like a well made saddle wedge like this a lot more. The stabilizer straps arent required, fyi.

Another option would be a carradice saddlebag, if you want 9liter or more. a chart listing all models is at the bottom of the page. https://www.carradice.co.uk/bags/saddlebags tons of shapes, sizes, colors.
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A Carradice bag needs a way to strap it onto a saddle, or you need some other kind of bracket. My Brooks Conquest saddle has springs, I threaded the straps through the springs. When I did Canyonlands (vehicle supported) I wanted a way to carry more stuff than my handlebar bag would carry so I used a Carradice Pendle bag. (First two photos attached)

I instead used a frame bag (really cheap on Ebay, Ibera brand) when I did Maah Daah Hey trail in North Dakota. (Third photo) I modified the bag, it was intended to strap onto the toptube and seattube, but I added some straps to strap it to the headtube and downtube in addition to the existing straps for toptube. I got lucky that this cheap bag fit so perfectly in front of a water bottle cage.

The frame bag is harder to plan for because you need a bag that fits the frame. But a saddle bag fits more bikes.

Or, small backpack. I hate backpacks when riding a bike, but when I did Canyonlands I was the only rider out of ten that did not wear a backpack. And every bikepacker I have ever seen on trails or in a campground had a backpack because they could not get all their stuff onto the bike. You just don't see the backpacks when they show the picture of the loaded bike without rider on it.

On one day on a supported trip in Europe where the bike was provided, I carried a strap and a small drybag (maybe 5 liters) to put my camera in. I just swung the strap over a shoulder and looped that strap through the drybag. It was not that convenient but my camera stayed dry in the rain.

Cable lock, I often hang that separate from the back of the saddle if I do not have a bag to put it in. It is heavy enough that I do not want it in my handlebar bag.

The extra straps on top of the Carradice bag are toe clip straps that I added, I can strap a jacket on top of the bag flap if the bag is full.
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Ugh, I should really learn if I ask questions around here, I'm going to fall in love with something far pricier than I was planning on spending. Those Carradice bags are sexy, I think one of those will fit the bill! Probably will look a bit nicer on the vintage bikes than a bikepacking bag, too.

I have a few saddles with the loops that I can use, mounting isn't an issue..
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If you want the cheapest option like that (seatbag) buy a small/medium drybag and a bungee cord. Stuff it full, connect the drybag handle around your seat post near the frame and secure the body of it to your seat rails with the cord.

Homemade seat bag. Benefit is you can see if you like that style without investing in the more expensive set up and you can always use a drybag for something other if you don't.
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I have an Apidura saddle pack and it would be a good solution. Probably bigger than you need, but the excess just rolls up and the bag is fairly compact when it isn't full.

I've used it for a couple 24-hr rides and a CC tour from the Mexican border to the Canadian border. So far I'm happy with it.
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Ugh, I should really learn if I ask questions around here, I'm going to fall in love with something far pricier than I was planning on spending. Those Carradice bags are sexy, I think one of those will fit the bill! Probably will look a bit nicer on the vintage bikes than a bikepacking bag, too.
other options, a bit less $-
Medium Canvas Saddle Bag | Banjo Brothers
Waterproof Saddle Trunk | Banjo Brothers
https://www.amazon.com/ZIMBALE-Bicyc.../dp/B01JE1S0E8

I have the 4L small version of the top link- the medium canvas saddle bag. its well made leather and cotton.
Zimbale is a Taiwan manufacturer. They do furniture covering originally, i think? I read that once while learning about bag options.
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Check out Revelate or the like for bike packing bags. Lots of options, handlebar rolls, frame bags, top tube bags and seat bags. I use a medium size frame bag that I can access while riding and still allows 2 water bottle on the Karate Monkey.
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Along those lines, Ortlieb has offerings in the Bike Packing Sector now, So it's like a Dry Bag you put on your bars and behind your saddle.

Carradice, classic canvas bags keep things pretty dry, saddle bag has strap loops to strap your jacket on outside on the lid,
they also make a Carra Dry Line , seam welded PVC , rugged material like truck tarps..

I use Minoura's Double waterbottle behind the seat cage mount, to fit the canvas saddle bags on my Italian Pleathder Covered Saddles.

P clip around the dowel in the bag.





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I do not know who has the best prices on Carradice, I have bought Carradice bags from Wiggle and from Evans Cycles. But it has been several years since I bought from them. At that time if you spent enough, you got free shipping from UK. It could take a couple weeks which might be tight for your schedule. I just checked, it appears that Wiggle does not have any Carradice stuff at this time.

The US Dollar has been dropping since about March, if you buy from a foreign supplier you can expect to pay more than a few months ago.
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Thought about that @Happy Feet, but I do enough other day ride type things that a nice bag could come in handy. Worst case, if I really don't like it, it doesn't seem like I'll lose money reselling it on eBay.

As to the actual bikepacking stuff, now that I have been turned onto these bags, I think they suit my needs a bit better. I was originally thinking something like that Apidura, but these look like they may be easier to get in and out a couple times a day. Really like the external pockets on the couple as well, as they will displace my spare tube bag.

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I have the 4L small version of the top link- the medium canvas saddle bag. its well made leather and cotton.
Zimbale is a Taiwan manufacturer. They do furniture covering originally, i think? I read that once while learning about bag options.
Cool, I was going to ask if anyone had experience with the Banjo Bros stuff. The Zimbale stuff looks beautiful as well!

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I just checked, it appears that Wiggle does not have any Carradice stuff at this time.
Yeah, I looked though the big Brit sellers and SJS and JE James, Carradice isn't really any cheaper. Not too worried about lead time, I'm heading off on the 31st, and last time I ordered from CRC and Niagara on the same day, CRC came a week quicker
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I recently got a Carradice Camper (the biggest one). I really like it, but it is 2 pounds. And it probably wouldn't keep contents dry in heavy rain (just a guess).

I purchased it via ebay from Britain bike shop - it was cheaper that way than from any U.S. supplier I could find.
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Probably should mention I am not really concerned about waterproof. Anything that needs to remain waterproof can go in my handlebar bag, this would just be for a couple pieces of clothing.
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I like my Revelate Terrapin bag, but it is not something I'd want to get into and out of over the course of the day. If that were my goal, and if my handlebars were occupied, I'd use my frame bag. Or, I currently have a Salsa Anything Cage mounted in my frame triangle (requires three attachment points, though), it handles a small amount of gear fairly well. But it's still not as quick access as a frame bag where you just unzip and pull your gear out or toss it in.
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Probably should mention I am not really concerned about waterproof. Anything that needs to remain waterproof can go in my handlebar bag, this would just be for a couple pieces of clothing.

If it is clothing you are after to store then a frame bag might be out. I have had problems with them with any kind of bulk interfering with my knees.

1. Put skinny (skinnier) tires on your touring bike. I might try that for my GAP tour in a couple of months since I won't be doing the C&O, I don't need anything very wide.

2. Get a cheap rack and mount on your road bike with p-clamps. You want need anything heavy duty. Or maybe you have one lying around?

3. Or maybe just a seatpost rack? I have one of those trunk bags that would work nicely on one of those racks. Ample room for clothes too.
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3. Or maybe just a seatpost rack? I have one of those trunk bags that would work nicely on one of those racks. Ample room for clothes too.
Good point, didn't even think about that. Not really interested in taking the Miyata, I kind of want to see what people are talking about when they glamorize fast speed touring, so it'll likely be the new Univega, if not that then the Peugeot.
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Agree with Spinnaker on the rack that clamps on to the seatpost. I often use one of those and a racktop bag on my foldup bike instead of a handlebar bag. The quick release on it allows me to leave the rack top bag strapped to the rack, I just put on a shoulder strap and unhook the rack from the bike when I want to take it into a store with me. Or if you want the seatpost rack to be more semi-perminent during the trip, remove the quick release and buy a long M5 or M6 bolt.

I assume from your description of bikes that the seatpost is not carbon.
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I've got one of these and I like it - https://www.arkel-od.com/en/seatpack...-seat-bag.html
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I assume from your description of bikes that the seatpost is not carbon.


A carbon seatpost costs more than my bikes! My $75, 21# steel old Ultegra beauty, not that she normally belongs in the touring area! Just figured I'd take the opportunity to take something "fast" on a three day tour if I didn't have to carry luggage.

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@Tourist in MSN - I should mention thanks, though, even though I know those clamp on racks aren't good for CF seatposts, it is good info to pass on!
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A carbon seatpost costs more than my bikes! My $75, 21# steel old Ultegra beauty, not that she normally belongs in the touring area! Just figured I'd take the opportunity to take something "fast" on a three day tour if I didn't have to carry luggage.


Ooh, thats purdy! Im a univega geek, just love the company history and seeing the marketing design changes year to year and contracted factory to contracted factory.

So is that a 1992 or so bike?
OS tubing, so 90s. Downtube shifters, so not late 90s. Seat lug but welded elsewhere, so a transition time between lug and weld. 600 tricolor drivetrain(incredible stuff) that looks to be 7speed, so early 90s at latest there(600 tri was 8sp by 92 or so).

Super cool bike. Is the cassette corncob'd?...looks like it from the angle you display. Thats some stout gearing if so. The 600tri RD can for sure handle up to a 30 cassette if you ever need.
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Ooh, thats purdy! ...
Not sure on the year to be honest. There was a bit of back and forth on C&V trying to date it, if you are interested the thread is here: http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...rada-pics.html. Most of the components are dated late 1990/early 1991, but one of the forum members (T-mar) said his price list should put it at 1992, as they weren't made in 1991.

Not a corncob, 7 speed 13-23. Good to know on the gearing, I have an 11-28 from the Scott I may toss on there now that I know the RD can handle up to 30, if I ever get into a hillier locale (and I can get teh damn thing off, I bent my chain whip with torque tring to break it loose...)! Only got about 60 miles on it so far, just bought it a couple weeks back, but it is so buttery smooth I'd LOVE to take it out for a long weekend! Plus, the pedals finally forced me to try clipless, which I am very begrudgingly starting to accept...

All I know about it is that I have wasted my time on many utterly crappy CL postings, but this one with pictures that told me it may be red and nothing else but "Super Strada", the wrong number of gears, and $75 in the listing made up for all them!

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Thanks all. Ended up finding a NOS Carradice Junior on eBay for $49, which is now on its way to me!

Just gotta figure which of my bag tab saddles to put on now...
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If you want a completely water proof at a good price, look at storage bags for canoeists and kayakers. They range form 4-60 liters, they need to some innovative strapping, but they are 1/2 the price of bike specific bags
https://www.rei.com/product/768369/s...er-dry-bag-13l
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@jefnvk looks like you've already got a bag lined up...congrats on that I was going to pass along that I've liked the Banjo Brother's stuff I've used so far. I use one of their handlebar bags on a commuter, holds a fair amount, has tie downs, so no sway, and I don't have to use a rack/quick attach. I also use one of those Revelate Design wedge/gas tank bags that mount to the stem/top tube on a gravel bike. Really nifty bag. I'm able to fit tools, battery backup for phone, a large smart phone, and still have room to spare.
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