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Old 08-19-17, 11:33 AM   #51
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You can't truly ever repeat a tour.
I think Heraclitus said the same thing more or less but 2500 years ago:

"You could not step twice into the same river"
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I ride to a nice small old hotel in the Hill Country at least once a year, depending on the weather it can take all day to get there over routes that I never tire of. I'm a "regular" now, get a heads-up on the menu when making reservations and can count on gracious service and a delicious meal that is "off menu" when I arrive. Some trips are worth repeating/refining over time.

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Old 08-19-17, 12:30 PM   #53
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I think Heraclitus said the same thing more or less but 2500 years ago:

"You could not step twice into the same river"
Was he a schoolmate?
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Was he a schoolmate?
Hey smartazz, he was a year ahead of me I'll let you know. Don't be surprised if you wake to a flat tire next month while doin' the GAP
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Hey smartazz, he was a year ahead of me I'll let you know. Don't be surprised if you wake to a flat tire next month while doin' the GAP
Wow you are way to docile. I was more concerned over finding a knife in my back in the middle of the night.
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Wow you are way to docile. I was more concerned over finding a knife in my back in the middle of the night.

Or an axe!
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Wow you are way too docile. I was more concerned over finding a knife in my back in the middle of the night.
That only happens when people quote Parmenides.
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Well looks like I might not be repeating my tour of the CA coast after all. At first I thought this was a nutty idea as google maps was routing me up I80. But then I got turned on to State Route 88 that takes you up to Tahoe....... . And my schedule allow me to arrive in Rerno long before the train leaves so there is no need to overnight in Reno..
why stop there? if you have time, there's a nice ride south from reno
thru virginia city, then connect with hwy 50 and continue east to salt lake.
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why stop there? if you have time, there's a nice ride south from reno
thru virginia city, then connect with hwy 50 and continue east to salt lake.

I am simply trying to find a good route to Reno, Found an article on the route I mentioned and it does not sound appealing. Lots of rally steep climbs, narrow roads with no shoulder and lots of traffic.


The I80 route is more friendly but does not see to offer all that much in the way of views, not like the other route which is gorgeous but dangerous.
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Told ya!

Did you catch Bicycle Heaven when you were in Pittsburgh?
I did not. My time in Pittsburgh was very short, sadly. I had booked an airBnB downtown with the intention of exploring the area a bit, but by the time I got into town, having biked from Ohio, it was late and I was tired. I ate, slept, and hit the trail first thing in the morning.

I also decided that racing daylight every day to make camp was no fun, so I threw out all of my carefully planned stops and daily mileages, and decided to spend the next four days biking to Cumberland instead of the next five or six biking to DC.

But by throwing out the plan and taking it easy, I ruined my plan specifically to miss Ohiopyle, and found myself having to choose between camping there or pushing on another 10+ miles in the dark. Still not sure I made the right choice. Beautiful campground, but such a pain to get there. Also the most expensive night's camping of about 10 nights spent camping on that trip. I'll be back in Ohiopyle in a couple of weeks, but this time in the town, at or near trail level, I hope.
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Used the same airport several times, AMS Shiphol. its easy to ride from on arrival and ride to, for departures.

& I don't even live there..






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Used the same airport several times, AMS Shiphol. its easy to ride from on arrival and ride to, for departures.

& I don't even live there..






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I don't know anyone who lives at an airport.
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I don't know anyone who lives at an airport.

I knew at least one lady that lived at an airport. She owned it! Somewhere south of Dallas. So long ago I don't remember where. I do remember the huge sign painted on the front of her house "This is raggin cajun country"! Suffice to say she was some character.
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I ride the C&O towpath every year. Pretty much the same ride, but the places I sleep and the weather is different each time. Hurricane one year, near 100F another, and in the 20s at night yet another. Ridden both directions and usually do it in two days plus a short day on either end. Having the train to get me to Cumberland or back home has made logistics much easier. Looking to do it over Labor Day weekend this year if the weather cooperates. Trains are booked heading out, but are still available for the return, so it looks like starting at home and returning by train.
Interesting, I'm planning on riding northwest on C&O/GAP & returning on train--so I wonder why train would be booked one way but not the other? Does "booked" refer to the roll-on service or all passengers? Weather looks great for next 10 days.

I forgot about Bicycle Heaven. If anyone asks me why I'm riding to Pittsburgh I have the obvious answer!
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Interesting, I'm planning on riding northwest on C&O/GAP & returning on train--so I wonder why train would be booked one way but not the other? Does "booked" refer to the roll-on service or all passengers? Weather looks great for next 10 days.

I forgot about Bicycle Heaven. If anyone asks me why I'm riding to Pittsburgh I have the obvious answer!
Yes, the roll-on service is booked from Union Station in DC both Friday and Saturday, but available for the return from Cumberland. I think it's because more people want to ride from somewhere and return home by bike so they don't have a fixed schedule. Or perhaps they think it is more downhill, when in reality it makes almost no difference which way you ride because it is 99.9% flat. The time works out fine for me, with a 9:30 am return train arriving back home midday.
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Yes, the roll-on service is booked from Union Station in DC both Friday and Saturday, but available for the return from Cumberland. I think it's because more people want to ride from somewhere and return home by bike so they don't have a fixed schedule. Or perhaps they think it is more downhill, when in reality it makes almost no difference which way you ride because it is 99.9% flat. The time works out fine for me, with a 9:30 am return train arriving back home midday.
I think it makes a difference if you're going to ride the GAP as well. Cumberland up to the eastern continental divide in considerably steeper than coming from the other direction. I've only done it from the north-west, but the people I passed on my way down into Cumberland did not look like they were having as much fun, and the fully-loaded tourer I met in Meyersdale had nothing good to say about his ride from Cumberland the day before.

I also found that booking a bike on the southeast-bound train was not an issue. I changed plans mid-ride and bought a ticket from Cumberland just a few days ahead of time with no problem. Didn't try it the other direction, but I do remember looking at train schedules months before my trip and seeing that there already days that I couldn't get my bike on to the train.
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I think it makes a difference if you're going to ride the GAP as well. Cumberland up to the eastern continental divide in considerably steeper than coming from the other direction. I've only done it from the north-west, but the people I passed on my way down into Cumberland did not look like they were having as much fun, and the fully-loaded tourer I met in Meyersdale had nothing good to say about his ride from Cumberland the day before.

I also found that booking a bike on the southeast-bound train was not an issue. I changed plans mid-ride and bought a ticket from Cumberland just a few days ahead of time with no problem. Didn't try it the other direction, but I do remember looking at train schedules months before my trip and seeing that there already days that I couldn't get my bike on to the train.
The only time I rode the GAP, it was from Cumberland to Connellsville and back the next day. I found the longer uphill grade heading back from Connellsville to be rather tedious because it was just endless. Not as steep, for sure, but I preferred the steeper shorter climb. Plus there were lots of wild blackberries along the way up to Frostburg, which I would have missed at 25 mph the other way.
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Yes, the roll-on service is booked from Union Station in DC both Friday and Saturday, but available for the return from Cumberland. I think it's because more people want to ride from somewhere and return home by bike so they don't have a fixed schedule. Or perhaps they think it is more downhill, when in reality it makes almost no difference which way you ride because it is 99.9% flat. The time works out fine for me, with a 9:30 am return train arriving back home midday.

Makes sense, hadn't thought about that since will all the info I'd assume a well-planned trip wouldn't have major glitches. OTOH riding west seems like an interesting way to ~replicate pioneer history. Elevation might be the same either way, riding NW would seem to have more headwind but maybe the trees help limit that.
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I don't go for the long tours. I like 7-10 day trips and there are too many options out there to repeat one. On the subject of trains, I have found Amtrak to be a great way to facilitate an interesting tour. I take a couple each year that I plan by taking the train to the starting point riding to another station and returning from there. Since I live a couple of hours from Chicago, I have a lot of options using Amtrak.

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Most years I ride from Narbonne to Cahors, France and back to visit friends. I just leave with a destination and not a firm plan: sometimes I go up the Canal du Midi and come back through the mountains, sometimes the reverse, sometimes stealth camping, sometimes hotels... even though I've done it about 10 times, it never seems to get old; the physical effort is what I enjoy most about it, more than the particular route. I've yet to have a "you shouldn't have gone there" or "you missed x and y" moment.
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We do randonnees (which I classify as fast touring). So we do get to ride through country more than one or two times on those events. We've even gone back to explore around the regions with hub-and-spoke and linear tours, too.

An area I have been back to is the Flanders region of Belgium and into France, both of which were the theatres for WWI battles. I find the many cemeteries and memorials and museum fascinating.

Places we'd go back to are Scotland, parts of the UK along the southern coast, parts of Switzerland, France (especially the Atlantic coast) and of course western Canada (like Happy Feet, we think the Icefield Parkway can never get old).
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I have a neighbor who says he has done the Katy trail about 15 times in about 10 yrs.
But of course here that's akin to doing the local MUP a bunch of times. Maybe exactly like that.
I've done the Katy Trail end-to-end each of the last 7 years. It's starting to get a little boring, but mostly it's a relaxing ride.
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Ended up taking the train from D.C. to Cumberland on Saturday, and got in 22 miles in the pouring rain from the remnants of Harvey. The towpath was muddy in places on Sunday and Monday, but overall not too bad. Ran into, literally, a rider going the other way near Harpers Ferry. The guy turned into my path right in front of me and I couldn't quite come to a stop. Slightly bent my front rotor, I guess from his tire. No one fell or was hurt. The guy said "Sorry, I was looking over there (pointing at a bridge) and didn't see you." I suggested he keep an eye on where he is going, and he agreed. Found an open bike shop in Brunswick, and they loaned me a rotor truing tool. It was just rubbing just slightly at that point, so it was more to eliminate an annoyance than anything else. Aside from that, it was a nice trip.
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The only time I rode the GAP, it was from Cumberland to Connellsville and back the next day. I found the longer uphill grade heading back from Connellsville to be rather tedious because it was just endless. Not as steep, for sure, but I preferred the steeper shorter climb.

Yeah. I did PGH to Cumberland 5 years ago, spending nights in Connellsville and Rockwood. PGH to Connellsville was particularly tedious as it wasn't that scenic in many places. Rockwood to Cumberland was my favorite part scenery-wise, but also somewhat tedious, especially after two early days of constant up hill. Plus, I had a head wind the entire time.
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Forgot to mention that the Amtrak "bike car" didn't have the usual wall racks. There were 9 bikes stacked two high (except mine) lying on the floor. Not sure if that is the norm, but there is certainly higher demand for the service than originally expected, at least on holiday weekends.
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