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Old 11-04-17, 07:41 PM
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Front rack recommendations requested.

Here she was, my current project bike, a cherry '95 Specialized Hard Rock found in a pawnshop this summer. As of this photo I had put on a pair of 36 spoke wheels I had, added a medium-quality rear rack, and riser stem and bars plus bar ends, wide fenders too.



Since this photo I've replaced the bottom bracket and chainrings and added a Brook's Flyer saddle.

This month its time to add a serious front rack capable of supporting two Ortlieb panniers, the bike only has braze-ons for fenders and no other mounting points on the fork.

Some rack designs mount using a propietary quick release skewer, sounds good but that would mean I'd feel obliged to carry at least one spare (I have had a regular rack-mounting bolt fatigue and shear on tour).

All input appreciated.

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Don’t worry about the lack of dedicated rack eyelets. You can bolt rack and fender mounts on the same eyelet. Or, you can use P-clamps to fix the rack separately from the fenders

As for the rack itself, I prefer a low mount rack. I have used Blackburn’s low rider racks for decades, and they have proven strong and durable. They come with u-shaped clamps that go around the middle of the fork legs. Nashbar also sells a somewhat less expensive version of the low rider. Another low mount option is Tubus’s Tara, but that is quite expensive. Works well though.
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Old Man Mountain racks, work well and are very solid. I never felt it once necessary to carry any spare parts. YMMV
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If you feel a spare skewer is important, get one.

On tours I use a threaded on skewer that uses a 5mm allen wrench instead of a quick release, I assume that a thief is opportunistic and does not have the right wrench in their pocket. This way I can feel more confident about only locking up the rear wheel and frame instead of both wheels.

In your photo, your taillight could be aimed a bit better.
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I'd be inclined to use a platform rack where the panniers can be mounted back enough to be in line with the fork. For commuting I found low riders and 26" wheels put the panniers into scraping range with the curb when pulling to the right but that may not be an issue for you. Problem with some front platform rack/pannier combos is that they put the weight far forward. But the problem with sliding front panniers back is they rest on some cantilever brakes. Compromises.

Your cantilever brakes bosses provide an optional mounting place besides the fork crown and all the p-clamps possible.

I used OMM Sherpa front rack on my 26"LHT but don't like complicating wheel changing with rack hardware so I removed all the skewer hardware and mounted it directly to the top dropout mounts. After that it was attached to midfork eyelets and brake bosses. There are a lot of ways to attach a rack solidly to the fork you have.
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with 5-arm cranks, you need a vintage blackburn rack.
available on ebay:

they all mount on the eyelets with the fender, and at
the crown also with the fender.
can come with or without solid platform on top.
one version has extra legs for midfork eyelets,
you could use with p'clamps.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Old-Sto...sAAOSwQcJZ9zgo

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-MTN-RAC...cAAOSwySlZ92En

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Old-Sto...oAAOSw0exZ6pxy

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Tubus makes a good adapter for forks that do not have mounting points on the fork blade. They work very well for mounting low rider racks. IMO the Tubus Tara front rack is an excellent rack.








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re ortliebs and their attachment system, be aware that the Blackburn lowrider wont allow the ortleib system to "clamp" onto the rail, or at least my really old blackburn model wouldnt, didnt realize this until I tried putting ortliebs onto them. There is a vertical piece of sheet alu that is welded onto the top rail, with holes/slots in it to put the bolts thru to attach it to the fork, but this part stops the ortlieb closee thingees from doing their closee thing, if you get my drift.

one could probably do a work around and drill out holes/space, but I didnt think it was worth it, so looked into diff racks when I got ortlieb front panniers to replace my old regular panniers with the standard u shaped mounting hooks.

the Tara is a really nice rack, light, partially folds so easy to put into a box with your bike for on plane, and sometimes can be found on sale during the winter months, that is when I got mine a few years ago when I decided that I would spend the extra money and get a couple of really solid tubus racks for a specific trip. I may have been lucky, but the Tara I got was pretty much half price at the time, but paid regular price for the rear rack, so keep an eye out on sites like Wiggle and other european sites etc.

that said, there are numerous really good solid racks out there by other companies, you'll have to start looking at prices and balancing costs and all that.
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Originally Posted by djb View Post
re ortliebs and their attachment system, be aware that the Blackburn lowrider wont allow the ortleib system to "clamp" onto the rail, or at least my really old blackburn model wouldnt, didnt realize this until I tried putting ortliebs onto them. There is a vertical piece of sheet alu that is welded onto the top rail, with holes/slots in it to put the bolts thru to attach it to the fork, but this part stops the ortlieb closee thingees from doing their closee thing, if you get my drift.

one could probably do a work around and drill out holes/space, but I didnt think it was worth it, so looked into diff racks when I got ortlieb front panniers to replace my old regular panniers with the standard u shaped mounting hooks.

the Tara is a really nice rack, light, partially folds so easy to put into a box with your bike for on plane...........................
You are correct, I was not using Ortlieb front panniers when I had this rack. It is not a Blackburn, but it would have had the same issue.

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Old 11-06-17, 12:43 AM
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  • Originally Posted by Doug64 View Post
    Tubus makes a good adapter for forks that do not have mounting points on the fork blade. They work very well for mounting low rider racks. IMO the Tubus Tara front rack is an excellent rack.







  • What bike is that?
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Old 11-06-17, 09:23 AM
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Thought about a front bar bag? Attaches to the handlebar, popular for bike packing these days. Seems you have huge amount of carrying capacity?
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Originally Posted by djb View Post
re ortliebs and their attachment system, be aware that the Blackburn lowrider wont allow the ortleib system to "clamp" onto the rail, or at least my really old blackburn model wouldnt, didnt realize this until I tried putting ortliebs onto them. There is a vertical piece of sheet alu that is welded onto the top rail, with holes/slots in it to put the bolts thru to attach it to the fork, but this part stops the ortlieb closee thingees from doing their closee thing, if you get my drift.

one could probably do a work around and drill out holes/space, but I didnt think it was worth it, so looked into diff racks when I got ortlieb front panniers to replace my old regular panniers with the standard u shaped mounting hooks.
Very good point. I actually did that with my old 1980 version of the lowrider. It was not that hard to do, to be frank.

The new Blackburn racks use larger tubing and the Ortlieb clamps have plenty of grip without the need to modify the tack.
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I am using the Surly front rack with the Ortlieb back rollers.
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  • What bike is that?
2007 Bianchi Volpe. The newer Volpes come with bid fork mounting points.
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Originally Posted by Sharpshin View Post
This month its time to add a serious front rack capable of supporting two Ortlieb panniers, the bike only has braze-ons for fenders and no other mounting points on the fork.
https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FREXT


Jandd Extreme front rack.

you can mount bags low or high and there is a usable platform on top that is especially useful when your bucket o chicken wont fit anywhere else.
Lifetime guarantee too.
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I've got the Jandd low rider. Works well with P-clips for he upper mounting point, and held full front bags without issue on rough roads.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
especially useful when your bucket o chicken wont fit anywhere else.

Yeah but...When you tour is it better to get regular or extra crispy?


Seriously....I have a Nitto Big front rack, which also has a platform. I have carried a large bundle of firewood on it several times. One fall I stopped at a farm stand on the last day of a tour, bought a pie, duct taped it to the rack and rode some 50 or more miles with it.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
..is it better to get regular or extra crispy?.
please move to "disagreements" thread.

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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
+1 in favour of this rack solution. Very good quality rack that's nice and versatile, and a good chunk lighter than the Surly Nice Front Rack that I see around a surprising amount.

I would also wholeheartedly suggest a Tubus Tara or Duo if something lighter and more specialized for the use of panniers is what your up for. I don't know how it would fit on your bike, but I've also known people to either love or hate the Blackburn Outpost Front Rack, which is similar to the Jandd rack but lighter and possessed of a removal top platform instead of a permanent one. The Jandd rack may be a lot less finicky to mount though.
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Originally Posted by robow View Post
Old Man Mountain racks, work well and are very solid. I never felt it once necessary to carry any spare parts. YMMV
OMM uses a Common Rear QR skewer for the front, That is longer..
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Tubus Tara , + their clamp on mid fork mount.. benefit of the Tara comes in how it folds, off the bike,
and is helping make it easy to pack bike in a carton to fly to places to tour..
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Originally Posted by ChristianCote View Post
+1 in favour of this rack solution. Very good quality rack that's nice and versatile, and a good chunk lighter than the Surly Nice Front Rack that I see around a surprising amount.

I would also wholeheartedly suggest a Tubus Tara or Duo if something lighter and more specialized for the use of panniers is what your up for. I don't know how it would fit on your bike, but I've also known people to either love or hate the Blackburn Outpost Front Rack, which is similar to the Jandd rack but lighter and possessed of a removal top platform instead of a permanent one. The Jandd rack may be a lot less finicky to mount though.
I'll give the Jandd Extreme front rack a +1 too.

My Jandd rack was a little finicky to mount on my 700cc LHT. It barely clears the fender. Jandd subsequently came out with a taller version, which I'd have gotten if it was available at the time. I ride with the panniers low and have an old desktop letter tray that I zip-tied on top to hold a bag of groceries or whatnot.

The OP would need a mid-fork adapter with this rack.

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https://www.jandd.com/Technotes/tech...front_rack.asp

Jandd suggests pclamps for the rack if there are no midpoint fork mounts. Guessing the clamps will work great since jandd specifically suggests them.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
OMM uses a Common Rear QR skewer for the front, That is longer..
Can you clarify what you mean here, please?
Does this mean that a spare is easy to come by (common) or unusual (longer)?

I've never thought about the need for a spare.... until now!

On topic,I've an OMM platform rack on the front of my Trek MTB. 2 heights available to attach bags, but I normally use the highest option because the panniers have more clearance off road.
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Originally Posted by HobbesOnTour View Post
Can you clarify what you mean here, please?
Does this mean that a spare is easy to come by (common) or unusual (longer)?

I've never thought about the need for a spare.... until now!

On topic,I've an OMM platform rack on the front of my Trek MTB. 2 heights available to attach bags, but I normally use the highest option because the panniers have more clearance off road.
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A rear wheel is typically 135 mm across the axle lock nut end faces , these days..

Fronts are 35mm shorter.. that is also the inside distance between the dropouts.

So using a rear QR on the front gives you 17mm of thickness per end, for mounting the bottom of the rack,
held on with that QR..

they can be had, used, cheap at Bike Shops, because the rear Rim is the sacrifice often made in Mountain biking
and so they buy a new wheel .






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