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Old 12-19-17, 05:11 AM
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Carving a Brooks saddle

Hi, I own Brooks leather Standard and Imperial saddles and have decided the Imperial ones are definitely more comfortable for me.

So I wondered if anyone has tried to cut the Standard saddle and make it like the Imperial one as I would like to try and convert mine.
I also have the new Cambian Carved and that is very comfortable and weather proof but does not have the look of the leather.

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Simon ,
I have done that to three of my B17's! The cut out was a great improvement!
A guy from New Zealand sent me a template that I have on file.
If you are interested send me your email and I will get it to you.
One thing make sure your knife is super sharp. I was honing mine on a 4000 grit stone.
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I've done a couple for other people. As Tandem Tom says, make sure your knife is super sharp, especially at the point; and make sure the point is true, that is, it won't steer you away from the line you're trying to cut. The best way to do it, I think, is to cut just with the point of the knife; go over the line repeatedly until you're maybe halfway through the leather. Then you can stab all the way through and cut the rest with the blade itself.

As for whether it makes a saddle better... I am not a fan, but to each his own.
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Gasket punches make round holes , the round hole wont tear , (at factory they punch it while flat, then shape it )
so it wont tear, further ..

its like drilling a stopper hole in metal. ..

also skivving the skirt has done on the more premium models.. skivving is thinning.. also rounding square cut edges..





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I've never done this before and don't plan to do it. Can you use a razor blade or box knife?
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Old 12-20-17, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tandem Tom View Post
Simon ,
I have done that to three of my B17's! The cut out was a great improvement!
A guy from New Zealand sent me a template that I have on file.
If you are interested send me your email and I will get it to you.
One thing make sure your knife is super sharp. I was honing mine on a 4000 grit stone.
Tandem Tom, I am so happy that someone has done this before successfully. I have a number of saddles I would like to convert including B17 and Pro. Do you drill holes at the ends to reduce stress or cut the whole thing out with a knife only? I have been considering drilling holes of the appropriate sizes as it is too difficult to punch the holes while the frame is attached. Yes I would very much appreciate the template.
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A supplementary question is, has anyone rescued an old friend Brooks saddle that has stretched too far for the tensioning screw? I have a Brook Swallow, Titanium that has become a hammock and needs rescuing.
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I am grateful for all your comments and will definitely give it a go. Starting with my oldest saddle. I will not attempt the narrow ones I have on my road bikes, Swallow and Swift.
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Originally Posted by Sion View Post
A supplementary question is, has anyone rescued an old friend Brooks saddle that has stretched too far for the tensioning screw? I have a Brook Swallow, Titanium that has become a hammock and needs rescuing.
Yes, I've done that. One thing you can do is soak it, and stretch the leather absolutely as far as it will go; then take out the rivets, cut the nose back to the rivet holes (about 3/4"), then punch three new rivet holes in the nose; rivet on the nose piece, assemble the saddle, and replace the six rivets on the cantle plate. It's not terribly difficult, if you can handle rivets. The result was, in my opinion, not as good as new leather; and frankly it's not much less work.

I've put new leather on quite a few saddles. The count is around 200 at the moment.

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I have not drilled holes. I just tape the template to the saddle and trace the outline with my knife, going deeper with each pass.
Send me a PM with your email and I will send the template and somevpices of the process.



UOTE=Sion;20063012]Tandem Tom, I am so happy that someone has done this before successfully. I have a number of saddles I would like to convert including B17 and Pro. Do you drill holes at the ends to reduce stress or cut the whole thing out with a knife only? I have been considering drilling holes of the appropriate sizes as it is too difficult to punch the holes while the frame is attached. Yes I would very much appreciate the template.[/QUOTE]
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rhm, that saddle looks impressive. Thank you for the tips on how to refit the present leather onto the frame tighter. I have not done rivets before but have watched the youtube videos and I am keen to give it a try. If I fail, I may be coming back to discuss replacing the leather. Thanks again.
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Has anyone carved a C17? I imagine cutting the rubber would be easier and more forgiving than leather, but I知 looking for some input.
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I cut my B17 to make it into a blue Swift. I was surprised how easy it was, considering I have never tried to do anything more than drill a hole in a belt when I lost some weight. I just used a new Xacto knife blade.
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I really want to do this to my green B17. Numbness is getting boring.
could you send me the template?
I can稚 DM as I知 still a new member but my email address is my name at gmail dot com.
thanks in advance!


QUOTE=Tandem Tom;20063785]I have not drilled holes. I just tape the template to the saddle and trace the outline with my knife, going deeper with each pass.
Send me a PM with your email and I will send the template and somevpices of the process.



UOTE=Sion;20063012]Tandem Tom, I am so happy that someone has done this before successfully. I have a number of saddles I would like to convert including B17 and Pro. Do you drill holes at the ends to reduce stress or cut the whole thing out with a knife only? I have been considering drilling holes of the appropriate sizes as it is too difficult to punch the holes while the frame is attached. Yes I would very much appreciate the template.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
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Just saw this post as we have been touring!
I will send the template to you in a little while.
I didn't drill any holes when doing the cutout just used a very sharp exacto knife.
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Originally Posted by Mrpotamus View Post
Has anyone carved a C17? I imagine cutting the rubber would be easier and more forgiving than leather, but I知 looking for some input.
I would be interested as well. I have moved mine in every imaginable direction and cannot get over 3 hours on it. Not problem at all on a leather swallow saddle.
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Originally Posted by Mrpotamus View Post
Has anyone carved a C17? I imagine cutting the rubber would be easier and more forgiving than leather, but I知 looking for some input.
I would be interested as well. I have moved mine in every imaginable direction and cannot get over 3 hours on it. Not problem at all on a leather swallow saddle.
Originally Posted by daviddavieboy View Post
I would be interested as well. I have moved mine in every imaginable direction and cannot get over 3 hours on it. Not problem at all on a leather swallow saddle.
I've always found rubber a LOT harder to cut than leather of comparable thickness.

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Originally Posted by Lordbiscuit View Post
I really want to do this to my green B17. Numbness is getting boring.
could you send me the template?
I can稚 DM as I知 still a new member but my email address is my name at gmail dot com.
thanks in advance!


QUOTE=Tandem Tom;20063785]I have not drilled holes. I just tape the template to the saddle and trace the outline with my knife, going deeper with each pass.
Send me a PM with your email and I will send the template and somevpices of the process.



UOTE=Sion;20063012]Tandem Tom, I am so happy that someone has done this before successfully. I have a number of saddles I would like to convert including B17 and Pro. Do you drill holes at the ends to reduce stress or cut the whole thing out with a knife only? I have been considering drilling holes of the appropriate sizes as it is too difficult to punch the holes while the frame is attached. Yes I would very much appreciate the template.
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Before you carve, check your fit, the B17 is very sensitive to a too high seat height, or too great of a reach. Try dropping your saddle a bit. Mine went from unbearable, to a seat I can ride all day with no pain at all. A 70 mile day is comfortable.
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Gosh, if it were me I'd sell the Brooks on ebay and buy a Selle An Atomica or similar...
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