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Old 02-02-18, 11:06 PM
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Fred Bars - anyone have experience with?

Handlebar bag with aero bars - is possible?

So, I love both things, a handlebar bag, because it put a very convenient place to quick access things that we use almost all the time, without needing to dig your panniers.

I also love aero bars, because it give a nice place to rest your arms and changing handling positions, and is very useful on strong winds and pushing up hills.

But seems that is impossible to have both things on the same bike.

I got the Ortilieb Ultimate 6, and was thinking of putting a Redshift's Quick-Release Aerobars, but digging through images it seem that both the lock system that Ortilieb uses to secure the handlebar bag in place and the Handlebar Clamps occupy the same location on the handlebar, thus making it impossible to have both.

Searching on the internet, I did found Fred Bars that seem to allow me to do just that, but I was unable to find anyone using it and sharing on the internet, so before I make a purchase of U$300, I like to know if anyone have experience with that.

Thanks in advance
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Old 02-02-18, 11:46 PM
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I haven't tried the Fred but use aero bars with a small essentials bag strapped on. It's a bit surprising one doesn't see more info about aero bars with handlebar bags. Maybe the simplest thing is a stuff sack lashed below aero bars?
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Old 02-03-18, 12:00 AM
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Hmmm..

I can't see your spacer setup, but you wish to remove the spacers below your bars and put the Fred bar underneath, and then attach the Ortilieb bag to this?

This will, in effect, pull the Ortilieb bag back under your bars quite a bit as that Fred bar is quite short. Lowering it slightly might help with clearance. But you also have all those cables to deal with.

And access to your bar bag will mean removing the aero bars to open it up.

You could probably achieve a similar configuration by putting a second road stem below your bars, if you have the space, then adding a stub of a handlebar to the stem. This would allow you to adjust the location of your attachment point a bit with a longer or shorter stem, or different angles of stems.

There are also handlebar "Light Bars" which give you auxiliary mount points. Many of them are pretty flimsy, and only made for light stuff. However, this Nitto Lamp Holder looks a bit more solid, with 26.0 and 31.8 options (for the main bars). The stubs are still small, but something similar might work for an auxiliary mount point.

Where to mount my lights?



It would seem like someone would have already integrated a bar bag with TT bars (for Randonneurs?) But, I don't see it. Perhaps swing the bars wide for combined support and access to the bag, and even use the bag as part of the pads/rests.
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Old 02-03-18, 12:02 AM
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I'd also look at a Porteur rack for your bike.

It would mean different bar/front bags, but perhaps better access to the bags.
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Old 02-03-18, 12:31 AM
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check out motorcycle bags.
many shapes/sizes to fit forks or sissy bars or handlebars.
should be able to find something with loop spacing similar
to your aero bars.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Giant-Loop-...-/291836399492

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T-Bags-Hard...NaIbdY&vxp=mtr
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There are a lot of different handlebar extenders that can be used. See this one for example: https://www.amazon.com/Accessories-H...lebar+extender

What I do is mount the bar extender straight down, and then mount the bag on it. That way the bag is below the bars. I do that so I can mount a light on the bars, without the bag getting in the way. It is cheap and effective, and would work fine for your needs.
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Originally Posted by Aubergine View Post
There are a lot of different handlebar extenders that can be used. See this one for example: https://www.amazon.com/Accessories-H...lebar+extender

What I do is mount the bar extender straight down, and then mount the bag on it. That way the bag is below the bars. I do that so I can mount a light on the bars, without the bag getting in the way. It is cheap and effective, and would work fine for your needs.
Do you mind to post a picture of your setup?
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Old 02-03-18, 08:53 AM
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Do you need to access it on the bike? If not, along the lines of what @saddlesores said, you could go in a direction such as this: https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FBB

It would fit easily enough under the bars, and the front zipper allows access without removing the bars.
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Old 02-03-18, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Alxbr View Post
Do you mind to post a picture of your setup?
Sure. I took a couple pics that I think show how it works. The bag is from Dill Pickle.



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Sufficiently tall steerer, 2 threadless stems stacked on it, bar bag mount on the lower stem's tube in place of handlebar..


+ SJS cycles UK has a T mount accessory, that does not occupy the steerer length of a 2 bolt stem..

selling for a lot less than your $90 thing wants from your wallet..





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Old 02-03-18, 05:31 PM
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Have you considered getting rid of the "bars" and just keeping the elbow pads?
I have done this and have access to the handlebar bag.
I put my hands together when resting my elbows on the pads.
It seemed a little awkward at first but it works. I'm not after any land speed records, just trying to take the pressure off my hands.
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Old 02-03-18, 05:37 PM
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I have used a second stem for years. Might be a way to go. Advantage od a second stem is it takes zero handlebar real estate.
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Originally Posted by boomhauer View Post
Have you considered getting rid of the "bars" and just keeping the elbow pads?
I have done this and have access to the handlebar bag.
I put my hands together when resting my elbows on the pads.
It seemed a little awkward at first but it works. I'm not after any land speed records, just trying to take the pressure off my hands.
Or, one of my favorite "aero positions" is to loosely grab the knobs on top of the brifters and rest the forearms across the bars. I have flat-top aero bars which are nice, but probably not necessary.
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$90 for that pice of aluminum called a fred bar?
...and its unavailable. That's probably for the best.
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Originally Posted by boomhauer View Post
Have you considered getting rid of the "bars" and just keeping the elbow pads?
I have done this and have access to the handlebar bag.
I put my hands together when resting my elbows on the pads.
It seemed a little awkward at first but it works. I'm not after any land speed records, just trying to take the pressure off my hands.
if ya do this with a set of trekking bars with the open end to the front,
you could lean on the elbow pads (spaced to the sides of a smaller
topeak h-bar bag), while holding the open ends of the bars.

might have to experiment with various positions or styles of bars,
or could even mount a set of small bar-ends out there as well.
not THAT would be real "fred" bars.
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I did not like how the handlebar bags affected my steering, so I switched to a top tube bag.
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I did not like how the handlebar bags affected my steering, so I switched to a top tube bag.
I tried something similar, but it scratched the hell out of my top tube.
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Was the taping of that tube ever considered?



I Wrap the Top tube of my Trekking bike with old innertube.. i was kicking the plastic hydraulic hose, getting on and off ..
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Just get a bag that hangs below the aero bars. Very popular with the bike packing /frame bag crowd. Most bag makes, revelate etc have them.
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I was pondering this a while back for my gravel bike.

I guess back in the day Cannondale made a bag that hangs from the aero bars themselves -- but it's discontinued and they're like hen's teeth.

My plan was to make one myself with some velcro straps and a Dopp kit. (But I eventually went in another direction).

I still think the modified dopp kit would be a good solution -- or have someone like Andrew the Maker custom build something.
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A Sewing Machine Handy? Nylon fabrics sew on a home machine, with a sharp needle, just fine .. DIY..
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

i use one of these nets on a jones bar. I just put all my stuff in a stuff sack. I suppose you could try it on an aerobar and not use a handlebar bag.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
$90 for that pice of aluminum called a fred bar?
...and its unavailable. That's probably for the best.
I think the company may have been broadcasting something by the use of the name 'fred'. If you buy it, you deserve to get ripped-off.

"Fred" is a derisive term used by "serious" road cyclists to describe other cyclists who do not conform to serious road cyclists' norms with regard to dress and equipment, and appear amateurish to them.
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Originally Posted by Vintage_Cyclist View Post
I think the company may have been broadcasting something by the use of the name 'fred'. If you buy it, you deserve to get ripped-off.

"Fred" is a derisive term used by "serious" road cyclists to describe other cyclists who do not conform to serious road cyclists' norms with regard to dress and equipment, and appear amateurish to them.
Yeah, they took the term and tried to give it power.
I agree on gwtting whats deserved there. I cpuldnt make that on my own, but i would pretty much look for any other way to attach what i want due to that price.
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Originally Posted by Vintage_Cyclist View Post
I think the company may have been broadcasting something by the use of the name 'fred'. If you buy it, you deserve to get ripped-off.
If you buy that you're most likely not-a-Fred, but a Poser-Fred

Real-Fred would kludge up a second stem & an old hacked up handlebar(or pipe).
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