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Old 02-27-18, 11:46 AM
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Position of trekking (butterfly) bars

Hi all.
A question for trekking bar users:
What position do you have them? I keep mine almost flat with the front end slightly higher than the main grips. I do this, so on long roads I can reach out and stretch my back. However, most of the videos and photos I see the bars are any where from 45-60 degrees from flat .
So, how and why?

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I have rotated mine more flat since this picture, from 10 years ago...


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Everyone's perception as to what angle they prefer is a lot of the decision as to their angle choice. If someone were either putting them on or buying a bike with them, I would suggest that they ride a few times with a wrench, so that they could fine tune the angle to their preference.
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Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
Everyone's perception as to what angle they prefer is a lot of the decision as to their angle choice. If someone were either putting them on or buying a bike with them, I would suggest that they ride a few times with a wrench, so that they could fine tune the angle to their preference.
Exactly, it's all personal preference there, after fit. Feel free to flip them upside down too, to compare. I have the curve up top, so they sit higher, but the other way gets you a lot more aero.
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Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
Everyone's perception as to what angle they prefer is a lot of the decision as to their angle choice. If someone were either putting them on or buying a bike with them, I would suggest that they ride a few times with a wrench, so that they could fine tune the angle to their preference.
Right, and this is why I was asking. If someone has their bars in a different position and they can explain why, maybe it will make sense to me and I will try it.
I am sure I did not infer that there is a right or wrong.
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All sides are usable when they are more level, for me..

I'd think steeply angled is more about height difference , losing the sides grip

Brompton's P bar is made to be quite vertical .. offering a low grip for headwinds , etc.
but all the controls are on the top.





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Mine are positioned nearly identical to @fietsbob's pic above.
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Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post
Right, and this is why I was asking. If someone has their bars in a different position and they can explain why, maybe it will make sense to me and I will try it.
I am sure I did not infer that there is a right or wrong.
I was a bicycle store owner for over a dozen years. I did not mean to be difficult. Over the years, beyond treking bars. I have seen handle bars and bar ends at all sorts of angles. In all those years I never actually inquired to as why they had a chosen angle. What I am about to say will likely ruffle a few feathers; There are a lot of really wired cyclists, and I do not know if it is because they are green or what. sometimes I can not really figure what they are thinking, in regards to handlebar angle. I know that I prefer to have mine tipped up slightly, (I don't know the exact angle) and have been happy, and I feel as though to me that is what matters. You have to understand that probably half of cyclists that left bikes off for service in my store(s) (in San Diego),put their seat bags on upside down, as a sign of thinking as to the way that things should be. Trolls will likely hit me up with some nasty comments; please do everyone a favor and show some admiral restraint.
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Old 02-28-18, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
I was a bicycle store owner for over a dozen years. I did not mean to be difficult. Over the years, beyond treking bars. I have seen handle bars and bar ends at all sorts of angles. In all those years I never actually inquired to as why they had a chosen angle. What I am about to say will likely ruffle a few feathers; There are a lot of really wired cyclists, and I do not know if it is because they are green or what. sometimes I can not really figure what they are thinking, in regards to handlebar angle. I know that I prefer to have mine tipped up slightly, (I don't know the exact angle) and have been happy, and I feel as though to me that is what matters. You have to understand that probably half of cyclists that left bikes off for service in my store(s) (in San Diego),put their seat bags on upside down, as a sign of thinking as to the way that things should be. Trolls will likely hit me up with some nasty comments; please do everyone a favor and show some admiral restraint.
Understandable, especially as a bike shop owner, you have to be very diplomatic, but here on the forum, being honest in a polite manner helps everyone. There are a few antagonistic contributors here who feel their way is the only way and if you don't heed them, then they question your intelligence or sanity. I appreciate all opinions but only if they can be backed up by facts. When someone uses "because I like it like that", then their opinion depreciates. From any topic from aluminum or steel to flat or clipless, most posters will give their why, while others will try to invalidate their why, and those who post just to up their posts count.
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I appreciate all opinions but only if they can be backed up by facts. When someone uses "because I like it like that", then their opinion depreciates.
Except in such a hobby, there is generally no factual way of determining right or wrong. If you write out a mathematical equation, I can objectively tell you if it is right or wrong. You can't do that here, the whole scene is nothing but a collection "I like it like that, it is what works for me".

If there were a fact based objective right and wrong, the whole pro peloton would be riding a spec bike. I wouldn't have a choice in the LBS, because they'd only sell the "right" bike. What is right for me is often nothing beyond "I like it like that".
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Old 03-01-18, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
Except in such a hobby, there is generally no factual way of determining right or wrong. If you write out a mathematical equation, I can objectively tell you if it is right or wrong. You can't do that here, the whole scene is nothing but a collection "I like it like that, it is what works for me".

If there were a fact based objective right and wrong, the whole pro peloton would be riding a spec bike. I wouldn't have a choice in the LBS, because they'd only sell the "right" bike. What is right for me is often nothing beyond "I like it like that".
Of course. While I am looking for alternative methods, styles or means, I like to evaluate it first. Meaning...

Maybe I look at it a little too logically or objectively, maybe, I should let it fly with the wind, but the older I get, the less risks I take. Which in the grand scheme of things does not make sense.

I don't believe I would criticize someone's method unless it hurts someone or there is possible peril. However, what I look for when I solicit opinions, ideas or experience is to say "Hey, I didn't think of that"

I hope when I answer a member's request for help, that I may be able to offer them something useful.

Anyway. All good. I just wanted to see if someone had a trekking bar idea, where I say "Hey, I didn't know you could do that"
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Old 03-01-18, 01:10 PM
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I recently put butterfly bars on my Schwinn Cimarron and when the whole bike is viewed from the side with the rise of the stem and tilt of the bars it appears the angle up to the front is maybe 30 - 40 degrees. It may appear a bit steep at first glance but the bike is intended for mostly urban riding and an upright position works well. The main reason I like the tilt is my wrists are at a more natural position when on the outer sides of the bar loops.

Overall I'm very pleased with the switch to this type of bar and would consider it for a touring application.
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You have to understand that probably half of cyclists that left bikes off for service in my store(s) (in San Diego),put their seat bags on upside down, as a sign of thinking as to the way that things should be.

OK, you've got me nervous now. Best I can figure, most seat bags are supposed to be hung with the seam where the straps are sewn to the bag are on the top, between the rails. The ones with legible logos can be read from behind the bike while standing that way. Or have I been riding around with my bags upside-down too?
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OK, you've got me nervous now. Best I can figure, most seat bags are supposed to be hung with the seam where the straps are sewn to the bag are on the top, between the rails. The ones with legible logos can be read from behind the bike while standing that way. Or have I been riding around with my bags upside-down too?
Maybe the best way to figure it out, is to unzip the seat bag and if everything falls out, there is a chance it's upside down.
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Maybe the best way to figure it out, is to unzip the seat bag and if everything falls out, there is a chance it's upside down.


Either that or it's overstuffed! :/
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I suspect going around telling people their bars are not positioned right would be a somewhat unrewarding experience, even if they aren't.

That said. Trekking bars allow basically three positions (with other in between ones). perpendicular to the road, called the flats on a drop bar.. parallel to the road, called the hoods on a drop bar.. and again on the flats but more stretched out.

Some people angle the trekking bars more up and down. This gives basically two positions but solves a different problem for them. They have the flats down low and the flats in a more upright posture.. but they give up the hoods position to do it.

You see the same thing with some mtb bar ends and flipped drop bars on ride-around bikes. Looks goofy but that's what their trying to do - sit more upright.
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Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post
Hi all.
A question for trekking bar users:
What position do you have them? I keep mine almost flat with the front end slightly higher than the main grips. I do this, so on long roads I can reach out and stretch my back. However, most of the videos and photos I see the bars are any where from 45-60 degrees from flat .
So, how and why?

Thanks
There is only what is right and wrong for you. Way too many variables to compare individual people and how they like to ride. A large group of riders may have a tendency but it doesn't matter in comparison to how you ride to feel comfortable. I position my bars the way that I like the majority of the time. But my stem allows for fast adjustments so I can get a different position when I want. So I can sit up and enjoy the view or lean out and over the bars to hide from the wind. So what your body tells you is right for you.

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Serious question, what is the advantage of Trekking Bars? I have seen pictures with bikes with them on, just wondering what then advantages are.
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I have bikes with Flat bars, Drop bars and Trekking bars. To me, trekking bars are like flats with bar ends but with another flat position more stretched out. I really don't use that position much but find I can attach stuff there like lights, bottle cages etc... I could choose trekking or flatbar/barends interchangeably.

And to be fair, I rarely use the drops on my drop bars either, spending most of the time on the hoods.
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Pretty much exactly what @Happy Feet said.

I spend the vast majority of my time on the "edges" of my trekking bars. Fronts only get used for stretched out downhills or cranking it out. Close side gets used for shifting/braking positions.
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Serious question, what is the advantage of Trekking Bars? I have seen pictures with bikes with them on, just wondering what then advantages are.
More hand positions.... to help with being in the saddle for hours and days at a time.

Personally I when was using trekking bars, I used to use them with them sloped towards the front! My thought was that angling them up meant that the two flat bar positions were basically the same in terms of back angle and hand weight. Angling them down meant the front hand position was a stretched out aero position good for headwinds. Since I very seldom stood up when climbing I didn't use the side positions much for that. (20 x 34 on 26" wheels pretty well negates the need to stand on anything but 20% slopes)

I had some VO Crazy Bars after that, I loved the swept back position so much I never really used any of the others. Now I have some Jones Loops, but I haven't used them, I expect they'll be much the same as the Crazies...
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Serious question, what is the advantage of Trekking Bars? I have seen pictures with bikes with them on, just wondering what then advantages are.
I can spread out my fingers on the trekking bar without the palms of my hands touching the bar.
My hands hurt after a few hours of riding on a conventional bar. ( I think I did some permanent damage to my hands from previous tours.)
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Maybe the best way to figure it out, is to unzip the seat bag and if everything falls out, there is a chance it's upside down.
LOL, just saw this. 😁 I hate to admit it, but that happened to me, not long ago. I was trying to keep "just a few items" in one, with most tools down in the pannier, so it wasn't exactly mounted right. 🙄😉
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I searched a lot, found good information in Europe. Basically, the outside portion should be set up for the bar to cross your palm as if you were shaking hands with it.
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