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Old 07-13-18, 10:28 AM
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Amtrak to Portland w/ bike

Hey folks, I'm new here. Planning my first bike trip down the Pacific Coast in September. I'm planning to take the Amtrak Empire Builder train from Milwaukee to Portland with my bike, and I'd prefer not to box it, but the Amtrak site says, "passengers are required to check their bicycle [for the] Portland to Spokane portion of the Empire Builder. This train splits at Spokane and the baggage car travels to/from Seattle." Does anyone have experience with this? Is this still the case in 2018? If this is indeed the case, I'll just head to Seattle and bike to Portland. Thanks in advance for the help!
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Unfortunately, you'll have to box the bike.

While technically the Empire Builder has "roll on" service, the detail that's obscured is that it's only the Seattle-Chicago section that does it, since it has the baggage car with bike hooks. The Portland-Chicago run doesn't have the hooks, so if you are starting/ending from any of the stations on this section that allow bikes (PDX, Vancouver WA, Pasco), you'll need to box it.

The good news is it's not that complicated to box a bike for Amtrak, provided that you use the bike box that Amtrak provides. Simply remove pedals and turn handlebars. (Note that you might have to tweak the height of the stem if the bars are wide.) Just make sure that the Milwaukee station has them in stock, and bring appropriate tools (wrench for pedals, wrench for handlebar/stem)

If you're not into that, you can take the Empire Builder to Seattle, then the Cascades to Portland. Both of these trains will have bike hooks. But the train ride through the Columbia Gorge is pretty scenic...
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The advantage of boxing the bike is it goes as checked baggage. You won't need to transfer yourself for any other connections. But sounds like you are doing it in one shot. I would go with the Cascades idea.

IMHO, unless you will be camping or hope to grab a room each night then it is a mistake to take the train to Portland. It can be as much as a day late. May screw up an itinerary.

Also the EB is better eastbound. You go through Glacier during the day eastbound.

An option might be to take the Southwest Chief to Chicago from LA after you are finished and take he EB home.

Or take the Starlight back to Seattle from LA. Then take the EB home. Fly out to Portland.
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+1) Amtrak boxes are big, though, front wheel can stay on,

pedals off, bars sideways, drop the saddle, and it will fit.
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Odd, the North/South trains have the roll on service. I wonder if they specifically chose to box the Spokane-Portland bikes due to the split. Do they pick up an extra baggage car for the Portland/Spokane leg, or just merge and pull two baggage cars?

If they are manually transferring baggage, then they probably prefer the boxes.

I presume passengers don't do anything for the split, other than being in the right cars.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Odd, the North/South trains have the roll on service. I wonder if they specifically chose to box the Spokane-Portland bikes due to the split. Do they pick up an extra baggage car for the Portland/Spokane leg, or just merge and pull two baggage cars?

If they are manually transferring baggage, then they probably prefer the boxes.

I presume passengers don't do anything for the split, other than being in the right cars.
It doesn't make sense why Portland does not have curbside bike service. They do have baggage. It might be a coach / bag car in Portland. Half coach half baggage car.

Funny the Capital Limited's bike car is an old coach / baggage car. But there is no baggage on it!
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Do they pick up an extra baggage car for the Portland/Spokane leg, or just merge and pull two baggage cars?
I am pretty sure westbound you leave CHI with two baggage cars. One for checked baggage going to Seattle and the other with baggage for Portland. (I believe the baggage car for Portland may be a combination coach/baggage car.) As pointed out, the former has the bike hooks. So if your destination is Portland, you box your bike and it goes on the Portland-bound baggage car. Seattle-bound bikes go on the other baggage car and don't need to be boxed. The trainset is split at Spokane. One baggage car goes to Portland and the other to Seattle. Eastbound, the train would leave Portland with its own baggage car without hooks, so bike need to be boxed. At Spokane, the two trainsets are combined into one and it continues on to Chicago with two baggage cars.

Took the Empire Builder from CHI to Seattle 3 times. I believe that's the way they did it back then, and it would make the most sense from an operational standpoint.
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Originally Posted by nipigon17 View Post
Hey folks, I'm new here. Planning my first bike trip down the Pacific Coast in September. I'm planning to take the Amtrak Empire Builder train from Milwaukee to Portland with my bike, and I'd prefer not to box it, but the Amtrak site says, "passengers are required to check their bicycle [for the] Portland to Spokane portion of the Empire Builder. This train splits at Spokane and the baggage car travels to/from Seattle." Does anyone have experience with this? Is this still the case in 2018? If this is indeed the case, I'll just head to Seattle and bike to Portland. Thanks in advance for the help!
Take the Empire Builder to Seattle, and then catch the Cascade to Portland. No need to box the bike.
​​​​​It only take about 15 minutes to box a bike, using Amtrak boxes.
We took the Empire Builder from Chicago to Seattle on the way home from a tour last summer. And then the Cascade down to Albany, OR.

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I took Amtrak from Columbus WI to Portland in 2014, but they changed the procedures since then. When I did it, everybody boxed up their bikes.

Since most bikes on Amtrak do not need to be boxed, make sure several days in advance that Amtrak will have a box for you. As noted above, their boxes are huge. But I found that my bike packed better if I removed the handlebars. I packed a couple empty panniers in the box too. Since most people do not need to box bikes anymore, I would not be surprised if they don't reliably have bike boxes in stock so you might need to get a bike box from a bike shop, box it up, then figure out how to get it to Amtrak station on time.

If you have not removed pedals before, left side is left hand thread. Some bike shops put them on REALLY tight, so a few days before you go make sure that they are loose enough that you can remove them.

We took a bus from Portland to Astoria, stayed one night in a motel in Astoria and then started our ride down the coast.

This link has some of my observations about the trip, but since that trip was four years ago, some of my observations might no longer be valid. We went to San Fransisco, then took Amtrak back from there.
Southt to North Pacific Coast Highway Concerns

Photo of our bike boxes and luggage at Portland waiting for the bus to Astoria. There was a pizza place near the bus drop off in Astoria that had a cardboard recycling bin out back, that is where we got rid of our boxes.

If you have not ridden on the train for a couple days before, bring some food along. There is a dining car and a lounge car where you can buy food, but it is expensive and not a lot of selection. I brought sandwich fixings (stuff that does not need refrigeration) and was happy I did so. But I usually bought breakfast in the dining car.

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Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
IMHO, unless you will be camping or hope to grab a room each night then it is a mistake to take the train to Portland. It can be as much as a day late. May screw up an itinerary.
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The Empire Builder had pretty bad performance a few years back due to the Bakken Oil Field boom in MT/ND. They've double tracked a lot of the line since then, and the price dropped, so it's not as bad as it used to be. It's been pretty good the last couple years. When I took it in May, it was maybe an hour late to St Paul and on time back to Portland. A delay can still happen, though. But a delay can happen on any long-distance Amtrak route.
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Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
It doesn't make sense why Portland does not have curbside bike service.
They do, for the Coast Starlight and Cascade routes.
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Old 07-13-18, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
I am pretty sure westbound you leave CHI with two baggage cars. One for checked baggage going to Seattle and the other with baggage for Portland. (I believe the baggage car for Portland may be a combination coach/baggage car.) As pointed out, the former has the bike hooks. So if your destination is Portland, you box your bike and it goes on the Portland-bound baggage car. Seattle-bound bikes go on the other baggage car and don't need to be boxed. The trainset is split at Spokane. One baggage car goes to Portland and the other to Seattle. Eastbound, the train would leave Portland with its own baggage car without hooks, so bike need to be boxed. At Spokane, the two trainsets are combined into one and it continues on to Chicago with two baggage cars.
That's pretty much how it works. The main baggage car stays on the Seattle-Chicago segment, along with the Dining Car. When the train splits (or is combined) in Spokane, the Portland section has the Lounge Car and a coach with a baggage room in the bottom. If you are heading west from Chicago, all baggage gets loaded in the main baggage car. When the train splits in Spokane, they'll take the Portland bound baggage and put it in the coach-baggage car for PDX.

My big guess to why the PDX bound bikes still need to be boxed is 1) the smaller baggage room in the coach doesn't have the space for hooks and 2) to avoid having the baggage handlers transfer unboxed bikes at Spokane. Still, it would be nice if they could figure out a way to put some hooks in the Portland baggage car, and just load the PDX bound bikes there.
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx View Post
The Empire Builder had pretty bad performance a few years back due to the Bakken Oil Field boom in MT/ND. They've double tracked a lot of the line since then, and the price dropped, so it's not as bad as it used to be. It's been pretty good the last couple years. When I took it in May, it was maybe an hour late to St Paul and on time back to Portland. A delay can still happen, though. But a delay can happen on any long-distance Amtrak route.
As far as I can tell, it is hit and miss. Perhaps 5 days a week they'll be within an hour of being on time. An hour late would be considered punctual.

But, perhaps 2 days a week, it drops to about 4 hours late, sometimes later.

The last time my niece used it, coming to Portland, they made it on time, but both trips she departed from Portland 2+ hours late, and then it lost more time along the route.

And Portland is the beginning of the line.

Amtrak supplements their North/South trains between Eugene and Portland with a bus service that is on time (mostly).
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Take the Empire Builder to Seattle, and then catch the Cascade to Portland. No need to box the bike.
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And the portion through the Cascades, including the Cascade Tunnel, is one kick-ass ride. I like when you hit a trestle and the only thing you can see below you is some rushing stream hundreds of feet down. One time I joking said aloud "Let's rock the train!" and started pushing against the window with my shoulder. A couple of people didn't find that amusing.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
I am pretty sure westbound you leave CHI with two baggage cars. One for checked baggage going to Seattle and the other with baggage for Portland. (I believe the baggage car for Portland may be a combination coach/baggage car.)
If they have two cars, then they just need the upgrades, assuming adequate capacity. And they'll come eventually.

However, it would also make sense to have 1 baggage car & 1 dining car, and simply add a second baggage car and dining car in Spokane, and avoid the redundancy across the country... then simply toss the Portland bound baggage onto a cart and wheel it to the other train. In which case, boxed bikes would be easier and safer for them to handle. You don't want your $10K bike tossed on a baggage cart do you?
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If they have two cars, then they just need the upgrades, assuming adequate capacity. And they'll come eventually.
See the above. The Portland baggage area is not a standalone car.
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Wow, thank you all for the speedy and thorough responses! Sounds like boxing it up is the way to go (I'm assuming a Long Haul Trucker will fit?), so I'll just decide between Portland and Seattle based on timing. Love the photos and stories!
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A few more questions for y'all knowledgeable people:
1. Will the Amtrak boxes accommodate front and rear racks?
2. How do you carry panniers and assorted bike gear on the train - consolidate it all into big duffels? I imagine juggling armfuls of small bags could be a pain.
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx View Post
They do, for the Coast Starlight and Cascade routes.
Sorry Portland EB.
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Originally Posted by nipigon17 View Post
A few more questions for y'all knowledgeable people:
1. Will the Amtrak boxes accommodate front and rear racks?
2. How do you carry panniers and assorted bike gear on the train - consolidate it all into big duffels? I imagine juggling armfuls of small bags could be a pain.
Boxes are really huge so you should have no issues.

Just carry them on. If you have front panniers, tent and such yes consider a large duffel.

There are rules on what you can carny on board but rarely enforced. The actaul rule, if you can carry it then it goes. Within reason of courxe.
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Oh since you are checking your bike you can just go ahead and check your bags at the same time. Unless you want to be sure they don't get lost then caryy them on.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
And the portion through the Cascades, including the Cascade Tunnel, is one kick-ass ride. I like when you hit a trestle and the only thing you can see below you is some rushing stream hundreds of feet down. One time I joking said aloud "Let's rock the train!" and started pushing against the window with my shoulder. A couple of people didn't find that amusing.
Damn I don't remember the trestle. I was in my room pretty much the whole time. Maybe it is just that the ride was so beautiful it sort of all rolled into one big memory.

Depending on time of year OP might miss some of the Cascades. It leave Wenatchee at 5:35AM westbound
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Bike racks and both wheels stay on the bike when you box it. I also put a couple empty panniers on the racks, I think I put one rear and one front pannier on the bike when I boxed it. And empty water bottles too.

The first photo below shows my bike after coming out of an Amtrak box in Pittsburgh, it looks like I put three empty panniers on the bike that time.

Amtrak does sometimes check weights of checked items including your bike box, limit is 50 pounds.

Sometimes Amtrak has allowed people to strap panniers together, but I have never been that lucky. I had an Amtrak station manager tell me that I had to unstrap my panniers because that way he could charge me for more pieces of luggage.

Your boxed bike would be one checked piece of luggage. You get another checked piece of luggage, plus couple carry ons, etc. Check the Amtrak dimensions, they are much more lenient than airlines.

In my photo above in post number 9 there is a duffel with red ends on top of a duffel with blue ends. The one with blue ends was my 2nd checked item. The one with red ends was a carry on. Those two duffels were pretty light and compacted to a very small size, they were in the bottoms of my rear panniers for my whole Pacific Coast trip. I do not recall exactly what else I carried on the train because I have taken so many Amtrak trains with a bike, each time I did it a bit differently. The other luggage in the photo belonged to my touring partner.




The photo below shows my carry on luggage for my Amtrak trip home after I did Pacific Coast to San Fransisco, a shopping bag and that red ended duffel.

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One thing to note about those bike boxes: While they are indeed huge, Amtrak discourages you from putting anything else in it, especially if they are watching you. They'll let you keep the pedals in the box, and you can get away with a helmet and an empty water bottle. But they'll balk at even a tent strapped to the rack. And the boxed bike cannot go over 50 pounds.
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