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mstateglfr 09-26-18 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by DropBarFan (Post 20584214)
Curved vs straight fork argument will become moot after a major US bike maker produces a drop-bar version of Euro aluminum frame/suspension fork bikes. For same weight as trad steel one gets better handling/comfort/safety. Suspension fork also allows one to use narrower faster tires. Susp fork can be adjusted for rider weight while hard forks are an inherent compromise.

Got pics of what you are talking about?

It sounds like bikes from the 90s by Schwinn and Cannondale. The '98 SchwinnCircuit had a RockShox Ruby fork.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f72511d545.jpg
is this what you mean?

DropBarFan 09-27-18 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by mstateglfr (Post 20586769)
Got pics of what you are talking about?

It sounds like bikes from the 90s by Schwinn and Cannondale. The '98 SchwinnCircuit had a RockShox Ruby fork.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f72511d545.jpg
is this what you mean?

I was thinking more of a drop-bar version of bike like Kalkhoff Endeavour Pro. BTW today on 50mm-tire Disc Trucker in the rain I ran over a small invisible pothole & wow, one hand almost came off the handlebar. Susp fork would have absorbed that w/o panic. Susp fork can cruise faster over bumpier sections & is esp safer IMO on descents where roads/paths are often the roughest.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b2cdd25c56.jpg

1-track-mind 11-02-18 05:13 PM

I think this tread drifted a bit, but can someone comment about the overall performance of the bike other than the saddle and front fork.
One dimensional ? Heavy ?

AlanK 11-04-18 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by 1-track-mind (Post 20645643)
I think this tread drifted a bit, but can someone comment about the overall performance of the bike other than the saddle and front fork.
One dimensional ? Heavy ?

Funny how that happens isn't it? :foo:

The Marrakesh is great as a dedicated all-road touring bike. I don't know if one-dimensional is an apt description, but it's probably not a good option as an all-arounder because it's pretty heavy and isn't very nimble. The sliding drop-out enable a variable wheel-base, so it can be made more nimble. The bottom-bracket is low like most dedicated touring bikes. This makes it more stable while loaded, though there isn't much clearance.

The Marrakesh would probably be one of my top considerations if I only wanted a dedicated touring bike, but there are other touring bikes that work better as all-around bikes like the Kona Sutra.

J.Higgins 11-05-18 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by DropBarFan (Post 20589590)
Susp fork can cruise faster over bumpier sections & is esp safer IMO on descents where roads/paths are often the roughest.

This I agree with, but how does a suspension fork compare with a rigid when putting watts to the pavement?

fietsbob 11-05-18 11:05 AM

10+ # x2 in the front panniers dampens things significantly,
as the mass resists moving with every bump..


several have been arriving at the coast after trans continental tours

Maxway does good work building for QBP and other brand importers,
to their design needs.. , in quantity..







....

DropBarFan 11-06-18 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by NoControl (Post 20649140)
This I agree with, but how does a suspension fork compare with a rigid when putting watts to the pavement?

I've only ridden a cheapo non-adjustable susp fork which bobs a bit climbing off-saddle but it's not too bothersome on the short rides I use that bike for. For touring one could always use the lockout for long climbs.

Tourist in MSN 11-06-18 06:27 AM

This is the touring forum.

My touring bikes with curved forks have very stiff forks that I am sure offer almost no cushioning. But my vintage Columbus Tubing bike or my (much newer) rando bike that have lighter weight forks with a small radius bend at the base of the fork blade I am sure offer much more cushioning. For clarification here, I am only comparing rim brake forks made of steel, thus it is closer to an apples to apples comparison.

Plus of course, touring bikes usually have fatter lower pressure tires.

Thus, the discussion of shock absorption of a front fork really needs to factor in if the bike is designed for loaded touring or light weight unladen road riding with skinny tires.

DIY masochist 11-06-18 08:50 AM

I was at a friend's house the other day, and his roommate had a Salsa Marrakesh. I was checking it out, and I noticed it had removable plates bolted onto the frame for the dropouts and derailleur hanger. I'm kicking myself for buying a Disc Trucker now because it makes me paranoid to think that a trashed derailleur hanger could be the end of my $2000 bike. I researched a little bit before I bought it, but everything I read said there was no such thing as a steel frame with a replaceable derailleur hanger, so I bit the bullet. It's a shame because the 2016 black and gold Marrakesh is such a beautiful bike (or did they add the alternator drops later?)

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e679b92c1c.jpg

Tourist in MSN 11-06-18 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by DIY masochist (Post 20650617)
I was at a friend's house the other day, and his roommate had a Salsa Marrakesh. I was checking it out, and I noticed it had removable plates bolted onto the frame for the dropouts and derailleur hanger. I'm kicking myself for buying a Disc Trucker now because it makes me paranoid to think that a trashed derailleur hanger could be the end of my $2000 bike. I researched a little bit before I bought it, but everything I read said there was no such thing as a steel frame with a replaceable derailleur hanger, so I bit the bullet. It's a shame because the 2016 black and gold Marrakesh is such a beautiful bike (or did they add the alternator drops later?)

Don't worry about it. Steel frames and the hangers on them are pretty robust. While you could bend it if you did something really bad, it is unlikely to break. And if you bent it, a good shop should have an alignment tool that they can thread into it to straighten it.

I have several steel bikes, one Aluminum bike and one Titanium bike. The only bikes I have with replaceable hangers are the Aluminum and Titanium ones. I have never seen a steel bike with a replaceable hanger unless it was one that had replaceable dropouts that could be changed for other purposes, like a derailleur dropout that could be removed to install an internally geared hub dropout, etc.

3speed 11-07-18 02:56 PM

There are plenty of steel bikes with replaceable hangers. My Advocate Sand County has one. Iíve seen others, and Iím sure there are many that I havenít seen. In any case, I donít really see a mangled hanger on a touring bike as a likely issue. As mentioned, if it gets bent slightly, they can be bent back. The only thing I that would really screw one up is if you ruined the threads, but thatís a pretty big hole with decent threads, so thatís unlikely too.

mstateglfr 11-07-18 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by DIY masochist (Post 20650617)
I was at a friend's house the other day, and his roommate had a Salsa Marrakesh. I was checking it out, and I noticed it had removable plates bolted onto the frame for the dropouts and derailleur hanger. I'm kicking myself for buying a Disc Trucker now because it makes me paranoid to think that a trashed derailleur hanger could be the end of my $2000 bike. I researched a little bit before I bought it, but everything I read said there was no such thing as a steel frame with a replaceable derailleur hanger, so I bit the bullet. It's a shame because the 2016 black and gold Marrakesh is such a beautiful bike (or did they add the alternator drops later?)

At worst, the frame would be ruined, so it isnt a $2000 loss.
also, there are ways around a broken hanger.

but the odds of breaking a steel hanger are so minimal it isnt even worth using as a consideration between bikes.

DropBarFan 11-09-18 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by DIY masochist (Post 20650617)
I was at a friend's house the other day, and his roommate had a Salsa Marrakesh. I was checking it out, and I noticed it had removable plates bolted onto the frame for the dropouts and derailleur hanger. I'm kicking myself for buying a Disc Trucker now because it makes me paranoid to think that a trashed derailleur hanger could be the end of my $2000 bike. I researched a little bit before I bought it, but everything I read said there was no such thing as a steel frame with a replaceable derailleur hanger, so I bit the bullet. It's a shame because the 2016 black and gold Marrakesh is such a beautiful bike (or did they add the alternator drops later?)

I bought a Disc Trucker & had the frame powder-coated & I cross-threaded when attaching the rear derailleur despite not using large force. Luckily the inner half of threads was intact. Lesson is always use a thread-cleaner tool on frame eyelets. Anyway a removable rear dropout is a nice feature which can allow using belt-drive & Rohloff IGH.


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