Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Touring
Reload this Page >

Salsa Marrakesh or Surly LHT?

Notices
Touring Have a dream to ride a bike across your state, across the country, or around the world? Self-contained or fully supported? Trade ideas, adventures, and more in our bicycle touring forum.

Salsa Marrakesh or Surly LHT?

Old 12-21-18, 12:28 AM
  #26  
raria
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 918
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 761 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Glad you like the LHT

But I think the LHT is just overkill. Not just the ones you mentioned: the down shifters, pump peg etc, but the ENTIRE bike is overkill. Its designed like a tank and most days how often do we actually need to haul 40 pounds?

Give me my 25 pound Fuji touring anyway day of the week!
raria is offline  
Old 12-21-18, 05:21 AM
  #27  
J.Higgins 
Mentally Derailleured
 
J.Higgins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 2,401

Bikes: Bilenky Tourlite, Surly Ogre

Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1293 Post(s)
Liked 575 Times in 401 Posts
Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post
And the most obtrusive is the dropouts. The tubes (fork and rear) leading to the dropouts do not taper at all, instead they cut out the tube and place a reinforcement at the end of the tube .
With racks and fenders, the quick release lever on the wheel has practically no space. I have found 1 position , but even that one is not perfect.
Anyone have a solution for this?
Here you go, Marcus.

https://halo-usa.com/products/hl9015...xoCK_EQAvD_BwE
__________________
breathe
J.Higgins is offline  
Old 12-21-18, 05:55 AM
  #28  
ColonelSanders
Senior Member
 
ColonelSanders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Vegemite Island
Posts: 3,968

Bikes: 2017 Surly Troll with XT Drive Train, 2017 Merida Big Nine XT Edition, 2016 Giant Toughroad SLR 2, 1995 Trek 830

Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1299 Post(s)
Liked 43 Times in 38 Posts
Originally Posted by raria View Post
But I think the LHT is just overkill. Not just the ones you mentioned: the down shifters, pump peg etc, but the ENTIRE bike is overkill. Its designed like a tank and most days how often do we actually need to haul 40 pounds?

Give me my 25 pound Fuji touring anyway day of the week!
I guess that is why Surly have bikes like the Straggler/Cross Check.
ColonelSanders is offline  
Old 12-21-18, 09:33 AM
  #29  
MarcusT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
MarcusT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: NE Italy
Posts: 1,095
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 497 Post(s)
Liked 246 Times in 148 Posts
Originally Posted by NoControl View Post
Thanks. Looks like a viable solution, but still, didn't think I would need one
MarcusT is offline  
Old 12-21-18, 02:18 PM
  #30  
seeker333
-
 
seeker333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,865

Bikes: yes!

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 281 Post(s)
Liked 38 Times in 36 Posts
Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post
Thanks. Looks like a viable solution, but still, didn't think I would need one
I've used these "slow release" skewers for more than a decade with all my bikes, and as you have learned they are particularly well suited for bikes with mounted racks. Most slow release skewers use a 5mm hex wrench, but there are some security versions which require a unique fitting or tool to remove, to discourage wheel (and saddle+seatpost) theft. Examples which I believe are sold in UK shops:

https://deltacycle.com/Wheel-Security

https://pinheadlocks.com/store/en/wh...l#/spare_key-_

WRT LHT's pump peg, you can still buy frame pumps, Zefal HPX and Silca for example. I have a 28-year-old Zefal pump in good condition which fits my Disk Trucker frame, but I no longer use it. Frame pumps have fallen in popularity even in the touring bike niche in favor of smaller, lighter pumps, some of which can be foot-anchored to the ground for better stability and less likelihood of tube stem damage. Here is an excellent review of the two most commonly used and recommended pumps on this subforum:

Comparing Topeak Road Morph G and Lezyne Micro Floor Drive Pumps.

Last edited by seeker333; 12-21-18 at 02:21 PM.
seeker333 is offline  
Old 12-21-18, 04:41 PM
  #31  
3speed
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 3,443
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 355 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 16 Posts
I have a current model Topeak frame pump and love it. Iíve had it for probably five years now with zero issues and have used it quite a bit. I believe I did unscrew the end and apply some grease to the o-ring once, taking all of one minute worth of work. I think itís nicer to air up a tire with than one of the really small pumps.
3speed is offline  
Old 12-22-18, 10:32 AM
  #32  
cyccommute 
Mad bike riding scientist
 
cyccommute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 24,312

Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, an orange one and a few titanium ones

Mentioned: 125 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4301 Post(s)
Liked 1,807 Times in 1,099 Posts
Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post


Any suggestions?
Finished assembly, I like a lot of things about the LHT frame, but a couple of things that I do not like.
First is the down tube lever mounts. Considering that 10% of riders might still use these shift levers, 90% do not. If Surly does not want to change the design, at least include some cable stoppers with the frame.
The often mentioned air pump nipple that could hold one if, you happen to have a pump from the 70s
And the most obtrusive is the dropouts. The tubes (fork and rear) leading to the dropouts do not taper at all, instead they cut out the tube and place a reinforcement at the end of the tube .
With racks and fenders, the quick release lever on the wheel has practically no space. I have found 1 position , but even that one is not perfect.
Anyone have a solution for this?
Oh, and one more thing: The foam wrapping they use to package the individual tubing actually scratches the surface of the finish

Cheers
Turn your quick release 180į. The flat part of the skewer will nestle in with the bolt on the fender. As an added bonus, youíll find that the skewer is easier to open.
__________________
Stuart Black
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Days of Wineless Roads. Bed and Breakfasting along the KATY
Twisting Down the Alley. Misadventures in tornado alley.
cyccommute is offline  
Old 12-22-18, 11:24 AM
  #33  
phughes
Senior Member
 
phughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,182
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 625 Post(s)
Liked 571 Times in 338 Posts
Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post


Any suggestions?
Finished assembly, I like a lot of things about the LHT frame, but a couple of things that I do not like.
First is the down tube lever mounts. Considering that 10% of riders might still use these shift levers, 90% do not. If Surly does not want to change the design, at least include some cable stoppers with the frame.
The often mentioned air pump nipple that could hold one if, you happen to have a pump from the 70s
And the most obtrusive is the dropouts. The tubes (fork and rear) leading to the dropouts do not taper at all, instead they cut out the tube and place a reinforcement at the end of the tube .
With racks and fenders, the quick release lever on the wheel has practically no space. I have found 1 position , but even that one is not perfect.
Anyone have a solution for this?
Oh, and one more thing: The foam wrapping they use to package the individual tubing actually scratches the surface of the finish

Cheers
Why are you positioning the lever so it is pointing down? Turn it so it is pointing up. It is less likely to be hit by something and accidentally open. Many of us like the downtube mounts, if only for use if they have one of the regular shifters fail on tour. As for the pump peg, how is it an issue? If you don't want to use it, it is hardly in the way of anything. Enjoy your bike.
phughes is offline  
Old 12-22-18, 11:50 AM
  #34  
fietsbob
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 43,599

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 197 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7607 Post(s)
Liked 1,322 Times in 832 Posts
Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post


Any suggestions?
Finished assembly, I like a lot of things about the LHT frame, but a couple of things that I do not like.
First is the down tube lever mounts. Considering that 10% of riders might still use these shift levers, 90% do not. If Surly does not want to change the design, at least include some cable stoppers with the frame.
The often mentioned air pump nipple that could hold one if, you happen to have a pump from the 70s
And the most obtrusive is the dropouts. The tubes (fork and rear) leading to the dropouts do not taper at all, instead they cut out the tube and place a reinforcement at the end of the tube .
With racks and fenders, the quick release lever on the wheel has practically no space. I have found 1 position , but even that one is not perfect.
Anyone have a solution for this?
Oh, and one more thing: The foam wrapping they use to package the individual tubing actually scratches the surface of the finish

Cheers
Re install rack ... 2 tabs on rack , front tab to rear fork tip eyelet , mudguards mount on rack rear tab ..

front of fork tip eyelet not used ..






....

Last edited by fietsbob; 12-22-18 at 11:55 AM.
fietsbob is offline  
Old 12-22-18, 12:23 PM
  #35  
seeker333
-
 
seeker333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,865

Bikes: yes!

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 281 Post(s)
Liked 38 Times in 36 Posts
Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Re install rack ...
Good eye. From https://ortliebusa.com/product/tara-lowrider/ :

seeker333 is offline  
Likes For seeker333:
Old 12-22-18, 01:40 PM
  #36  
fietsbob
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 43,599

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 197 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7607 Post(s)
Liked 1,322 Times in 832 Posts
I am a summer Shop mechanic, at the western end of a lot of bike tours and see many people's winging the rack installations..







& Many bikes don't have double eyelet fork dropouts,, so rather logical to not design a product for too small a market segment ...



....
fietsbob is offline  
Old 12-22-18, 11:35 PM
  #37  
MarcusT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
MarcusT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: NE Italy
Posts: 1,095
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 497 Post(s)
Liked 246 Times in 148 Posts
Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Re install rack ... 2 tabs on rack , front tab to rear fork tip eyelet , mudguards mount on rack rear tab ..

front of fork tip eyelet not used ..






....
Give it a try. Thanks!
MarcusT is offline  
Old 12-23-18, 11:08 PM
  #38  
52telecaster
ambulatory senior
 
52telecaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Peoria Il
Posts: 3,578

Bikes: Bob Jackson World Tour, Falcon and lots of other bikes.

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1109 Post(s)
Liked 563 Times in 328 Posts
Just want to second the hex skewers. They weigh less and slow down a thief for a couple of seconds. Plus i love pump pegs. A full size zefal frame pump makes me happy. I also dig barcons so the shifter mounts on the downtube make sense to me.

Having said all that, i ride a bob jackson world tourist, but i think the lht is a hell of a frameset.
52telecaster is offline  
Old 12-24-18, 12:08 AM
  #39  
MarcusT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
MarcusT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: NE Italy
Posts: 1,095
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 497 Post(s)
Liked 246 Times in 148 Posts
Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
I am a summer Shop mechanic, at the western end of a lot of bike tours and see many people's winging the rack installations..







& Many bikes don't have double eyelet fork dropouts,, so rather logical to not design a product for too small a market segment ...



....
Great! It solved the lever problem, but created another lesser problem. Moving the rack to the rear bolt, the front support that joins the 2 sides now how has about 1cm (1/2") clearance from the tire. Which is fine for a 38c tire, but worrying if I go up in size.
I may have to find another solution.
Thinking about attaching the fender supports to the inside of the dropouts. Will need to find a flat head screw for that. Or just change fenders to the light weight style that only uses the upper bolt for installation (quick install).
Good thing it is winter and have time to work this out.
MarcusT is offline  
Old 12-24-18, 01:17 PM
  #40  
seeker333
-
 
seeker333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,865

Bikes: yes!

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 281 Post(s)
Liked 38 Times in 36 Posts
Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post
Great! It solved the lever problem, but created another lesser problem. Moving the rack to the rear bolt, the front support that joins the 2 sides now how has about 1cm (1/2") clearance from the tire. Which is fine for a 38c tire, but worrying if I go up in size. I may have to find another solution. Thinking about attaching the fender supports to the inside of the dropouts. Will need to find a flat head screw for that. Or just change fenders to the light weight style that only uses the upper bolt for installation (quick install). Good thing it is winter and have time to work this out.
LHT is rated for 42mm tires with fenders (45mm without), so don't worry about the 10mm gap at rack hoop, since you should have a similar limiting gap at fork crown and chainstays.

Nearly every fender (and rack) installation is a "custom" job requiring trial and error fitting, some bending, an assortment of unusual fasteners and spacers and resourcefulness on the part of the installer. In other words, it's almost always a surprising PITA to do, so take your time and get it right. Use blue Loctite or similar threadlocker to keep fasteners from loosening and falling out down the road - and carry spare fender & rack fasteners just in case the Loctite fails.
seeker333 is offline  
Old 11-05-19, 09:26 PM
  #41  
meyers66
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Hsinchu County Taiwan ROC
Posts: 106

Bikes: 2007 Bianchi Volpe

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Please elaborate: Euro bike

Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53 View Post
Neither.
Find a euro bike.
Please elaborate: Euro bike. Why and what brand and model? Thanks in advance
meyers66 is offline  
Old 11-05-19, 11:53 PM
  #42  
MarcusT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
MarcusT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: NE Italy
Posts: 1,095
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 497 Post(s)
Liked 246 Times in 148 Posts
Originally Posted by meyers66 View Post
Please elaborate: Euro bike. Why and what brand and model? Thanks in advance
I did a fair bit of research into European brands and There are several, but few are dedicated full time tourers.
Cube, Diamont and Radon make numerous models, but I would not consider them "full tourers"
Fahrradmanufaktur
Cinelli has the Hobootleg
Bombtrack
Koga
I considered them all, but I guess I wanted to build a bike from the frame and the LHT was always the bike that said "Tour the world"
MarcusT is offline  
Old 11-06-19, 02:48 AM
  #43  
3speed
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 3,443
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 355 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 16 Posts
I'd never heard of Fahrradmanufaktur. I kind of want one of these just so I can have Fahrradmanufaktur painted on the downtube. What a name...
3speed is offline  
Likes For 3speed:
Old 11-06-19, 06:11 AM
  #44  
J.Higgins 
Mentally Derailleured
 
J.Higgins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 2,401

Bikes: Bilenky Tourlite, Surly Ogre

Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1293 Post(s)
Liked 575 Times in 401 Posts
Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post
I did a fair bit of research into European brands and There are several, but few are dedicated full time tourers.
Cube, Diamont and Radon make numerous models, but I would not consider them "full tourers"
Fahrradmanufaktur
Cinelli has the Hobootleg
Bombtrack
Koga
I considered them all, but I guess I wanted to build a bike from the frame and the LHT was always the bike that said "Tour the world"
A high-quality build on a Disc Trucker frameset would rival a Koga for half the price. I'd love to have a Koga, but danged expensive they are! If I got into world touring, I'd have to have one like Alee Denham's.
__________________
breathe
J.Higgins is offline  
Old 11-06-19, 06:23 AM
  #45  
PedalingWalrus
Senior Member
 
PedalingWalrus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Maine, USA
Posts: 1,353

Bikes: Corvid Sojourner, Surly Ice Cream Truck, Comotion Divide, Salsa Warbird, Salsa Beargrease, Dandelion Dream Tandem

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 443 Post(s)
Liked 285 Times in 152 Posts
If we are going to throw euro tourers around then ... Santos :-)
PedalingWalrus is offline  
Old 11-06-19, 11:27 PM
  #46  
MarcusT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
MarcusT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: NE Italy
Posts: 1,095
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 497 Post(s)
Liked 246 Times in 148 Posts
Originally Posted by PedalingWalrus View Post
If we are going to throw euro tourers around then ... Santos :-)
Nice bikes, but that price: Ouch!
MarcusT is offline  
Old 11-06-19, 11:29 PM
  #47  
MarcusT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
MarcusT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: NE Italy
Posts: 1,095
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 497 Post(s)
Liked 246 Times in 148 Posts
Originally Posted by 3speed View Post
I'd never heard of Fahrradmanufaktur. I kind of want one of these just so I can have Fahrradmanufaktur painted on the downtube. What a name...
It literally translates to "Bike Manufacturer"
MarcusT is offline  
Old 11-08-19, 06:00 PM
  #48  
ppoollppoo
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Surly's IMO are incredibly overpriced for what they offer, rarely coming stock with racks or fenders.
ppoollppoo is offline  
Likes For ppoollppoo:
Old 11-08-19, 09:13 PM
  #49  
dwmckee
Senior Member
 
dwmckee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 2,276

Bikes: Co-Motion Cappuccino Tandem,'88 Bob Jackson Touring, Co-Motion Cascadia Touring, Open U.P., Ritchie Titanium Breakaway, Frances Cycles SmallHaul cargo bike. Those are the permanent ones; others wander in and out of the stable occasionally as well.

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 327 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 234 Times in 155 Posts
We sell both in our shop and in almost every case of selling one against the other we erecommend the Marakesh as it is a bit livelier and more fun to ride when you are not touring. The LHT has a reputation as bombproof, but really so is the Marakesh and it is a bit more modern and more fun to ride. Both can be taken around the world multiple times without problems (not just the LHT as everyone thinks!)
dwmckee is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
paintpunk
Touring
57
04-23-12 04:37 PM
spooner
Touring
178
08-19-10 08:56 AM
ubermensch84
Touring
14
01-04-10 12:03 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.