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Oregon Adds More Hike/Biker Sites in State Parks

Oregon State Parks are adding 11 new Hiker/ Biker shelters in state parks along the coast, and 20 more in state parks throughout the state.

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Tent sites, water, charging capability, lockers, pump and work stand. I assume a privy too somewhere. Nice. I like how they used rocks too massive to be vandalized at the fire. Bigger pics here, bottom of page:

https://www.oregonstateparksfoundati...t-initiatives/
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thanks Doug, always nice to see more infrastructure encouraging self propelled activities.
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Montana has five state parks with hiker/biker spots that have covered picnic tables, work stands, electricity, water, bear boxes and pea gravel tent pads. The two I stated at in 2017 (Whitefish Lake and Wayfarers) have shade, flush toilets and showers. They are on ACA routes. $12/night for non-residents. (MT charges out of state visitors extra.) IIRC, $7/night for residents. Rangers at both told me that they have a no-turn away policy. Really nice facilities.

Another park (Thompson Falls Recreation Area) has unadvertised sites. No special amenities. If you show up on a bike they let you camp in the day use picnic area. It's probably the nicest place to camp there as you have shade and a nice view of the river.


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Good to see this in OR.

After having lived in Portland for a few years, I am reminded of the contrast here in Central TX. There are four state parks within 50 miles of me and I enjoy taking a quick weekend trip, typically out on Saturday and back on Sunday. Unfortunately, TX doesn't have such hiker/biker sites. The problem is both that the parks nearby fill up long in advance during peak season (Spring and Fall) and one pays more for full amenities (water and power) that you may not use.

So I look back fondly on OR state parks like Champeog where I could (1) wait until I see what the weather might do before making weekend plans and (2) pay considerably less than here in TX. I still make plans, sometimes months in advance, to stay overnight in nearby parks. However, I also make some of those trips with a motel reservation because I can cancel the motel up to the last day.
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now here is the opposite extreme of hiker biker deluxe...at a campground in France. This one took the cake, Ive been in others with a more simple shelter with tables, and maybe a fridge and or gas stove, or a sink, but this one really was something.

must have been fairly recent, lovely large tent, electric plugs, dishes, cutlery, pots and pans, can opener etc, microwave, small storage places for your food, and nice table set.
On top of it, the price was extremely reasonable, less than other regular campgrounds we were at.

they also had these little mini sleeping huts for folks traveling without a tent, extra cost of course, and it was just heartwarming to see a culture of encouraging self propelled travel.

yes, they dont have a problem of itinerants, nor of vandalism, well certainly not in campgrounds, and the culture of "camping" in France is generally much more civilized, and most people do it, and have respect for facilities etc.

anyway, a photo that gives an idea of and "ideal" setting and attitude to folks travelling by bike.
I told the campground workers how touched I was by their facilities, and how wonderful it was.
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now here is the opposite extreme of hiker biker deluxe...at a campground in France. This one took the cake, Ive been in others with a more simple shelter with tables, and maybe a fridge and or gas stove, or a sink, but this one really was something.
The term for that in the U.S. is "glamping." Mix of glamour and camping.
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indy, they have "glamping" up here also, neighbours of ours have gone to a place with it, I don't get it, but hey.

sorry, I didnt make it clear, we were sleeping in our tent, but this especially super nice kitchen tent/eating area was set up for the hikers bikers to use and prepare meals, especially nice if raining.
Often other French campgrounds had more simple tents, or simple wooden overhanged area with basic sink or fridge, or even a really basic shed with a picnic bench inside and a few electric plugs, which I always appreciated no matter how it was.
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Glad to see, camping has become too expensive for my tastes. If you're not staying in one site for multiple nights, Michigan is up to $24 or so a night with the private company's booking fees (if you don't wish to chance something being available) for a simple rustic site. Wasn't too long ago it was half the price. Now, I'd rather just stay in a cheap motel.

Wish we had more sites like they had in Iceland, for the low impact campers that aren't showing up in a 40' RV, just a big area that you just set up your tent in where ever with some shared tables and firerings for a decently affordable price.
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Yurts & Deluxe Cabins , are needing advance reservations Fort Stevens park Oregon
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I met people in Europe , who car camped, brought a big cabin-tents stayed for a week or 2.. in same site..

On Pomeranian Coast I happened on a Holiday camp , It was there for the workers in a Steel Mill in Central Poland , this was 91, so some social benefits remained..

Lot has changed..
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Personally, I'd much rather pay less and have "less" while I'm camping. One shouldn't have to pay a lot of money to sleep on the ground out in the woods. That should be a basic right of any living animal, both the human and more furry included. One also shouldn't expect to get all sorts of amenities when going to sleep out in the woods. Keep it cheap and simple. If one wants to have amenities available, that's great, but there should still be the basic option to pitch a simple tent on a patch of grass for $5(or less...)
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Personally, I'd much rather pay less and have "less" while I'm camping. One shouldn't have to pay a lot of money to sleep on the ground out in the woods. That should be a basic right of any living animal, both the human and more furry included. One also shouldn't expect to get all sorts of amenities when going to sleep out in the woods. Keep it cheap and simple. If one wants to have amenities available, that's great, but there should still be the basic option to pitch a simple tent on a patch of grass for $5(or less...)
I agree, but unfortunately this isnt new. I recall clearly on my first ever bike trip, 1989, coming to a private campground on one of the string of islands that go down Lake Champlain in north NY, Vt. I was bagged, had to camp, and I had to set up my borrowed bivy style tent amongst the RVs and trailers for the same price as them. Wanted a shower and a place to sit at a picnic table, and so paid up. Now unless I'm remembering another campground experience, it seems to me that the owners just replied "thats the price" to me saying that why should I pay the same as a 40ft RV, so there you go.....I do think however that one of the friendly RV folks gave me dinner after they asked about my trip.

the other thing I took from that experience was that I would never buy a bivy "coffin" tent for myself, cuz thats how it felt inside it.
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Personally, I'd much rather pay less and have "less" while I'm camping. One shouldn't have to pay a lot of money to sleep on the ground out in the woods...There should still be the basic option to pitch a simple tent on a patch of grass for $5(or less...)
Oregon hiker/biker rate is $7 to 8 per night. Not $5 cheap (though it used to be), but it's pretty close.
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Oregon State Parks are adding 11 new Hiker/ Biker shelters in state parks along the coast, and 20 more in state parks throughout the state.

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Thanks for that, @Doug64!
But I'm a bit confused here: The title of the thread is Oregon Adds More Hike/Biker Sites in State Parks. I didn't see anything in the article that there are new hiker/biker camping sites, just that there will be new facilities at existing hiker/biker camping sites. Do you know of new hiker/biker sites going in?
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Thanks for that, @Doug64!
But I'm a bit confused here: The title of the thread is Oregon Adds More Hike/Biker Sites in State Parks. I didn't see anything in the article that there are new hiker/biker camping sites, just that there will be new facilities at existing hiker/biker camping sites. Do you know of new hiker/biker sites going in?
Yep, I agree it looks like an amenities-upgrade for existing sites. My guess is price-hike will be next. It seems that most want more stuff. In other parts of the country, old-school primitive sites I run across are empty. It seems your modern public needs their amenities to feel content-safe-happy.
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Yep, I agree it looks like an amenities-upgrade for existing sites. My guess is price-hike will be next. It seems that most want more stuff. In other parts of the country, old-school primitive sites I run across are empty. It seems your modern public needs their amenities to feel content-safe-happy.
Well, I hope that they don't raise the rates any time soon, since they did a significant increase a couple years ago.

And yes, it's more stuff, but it's not like it's a lot more stuff. These new amenities don't exactly equate to glamping. From what I've seen it's having a covered shelter close to the camping area, which is very nice when it's wet out. Also, having lockable storage is great for when you want to go for a hike and don't want your valuables to get taken. Plus, the hiker/biker sites on the Oregon Coast were in dire need of lockable boxes for the simple need of food preservation. The raccoons on the coast are pretty tenacious. Years ago a friend of mine had come back from the beach and found his food pannier dragged halfway across the camping area!
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Well, I hope that they don't raise the rates any time soon, since they did a significant increase a couple years ago.

And yes, it's more stuff, but it's not like it's a lot more stuff. These new amenities don't exactly equate to glamping. From what I've seen it's having a covered shelter close to the camping area, which is very nice when it's wet out. Also, having lockable storage is great for when you want to go for a hike and don't want your valuables to get taken. Plus, the hiker/biker sites on the Oregon Coast were in dire need of lockable boxes for the simple need of food preservation. The raccoons on the coast are pretty tenacious. Years ago a friend of mine had come back from the beach and found his food pannier dragged halfway across the camping area!
A simple hanger-device or cable would be a lot cheaper-simpler than lockers.

Besides the cost of the-stuff there will be service and maintenance for the-stuff.

My guess is your single digit fee will soon be just a memory.

As far as your friend is concerned. I'd blame him. He should have secured his food by properly hanging it. Those who leave food are the problems NOT the raccoons.
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx View Post
Thanks for that, @Doug64!
But I'm a bit confused here: The title of the thread is Oregon Adds More Hike/Biker Sites in State Parks. I didn't see anything in the article that there are new hiker/biker camping sites, just that there will be new facilities at existing hiker/biker camping sites. Do you know of new hiker/biker sites going in?
You are correct. I proofed everything except the title

No , I don't know of any new sites going in. I've heard rumors, but nothing official.
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Michigan is up to $24 or so a night with the private company's booking fees (if you don't wish to chance something being available) for a simple rustic site.
Check the gag NJ state parks have going on. A basic site without hookups is $25/night for non-residents. If you make a reservation on line of via phone, you get charged another $5 "transaction fee." *($5 per reservation, not per night.) If you don't make a reservation but rather simply show up and register, you still get charged the $5 transaction fee at the campground. The crazy thing is that whether you have a reservation or not, the person behind the counter basically does the same amount of work checking you in (other than accepting payment), so it's not like making a reservation increases on site employee productivity. And now they charge a $1 transaction fee to buy firewood.
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Yep, I agree it looks like an amenities-upgrade for existing sites. My guess is price-hike will be next. It seems that most want more stuff. In other parts of the country, old-school primitive sites I run across are empty. It seems your modern public needs their amenities to feel content-safe-happy.
Yep. A lot of the "rustic" campgrounds I've been to in the past few years even seem to be nothing but overflow for the modern campgrounds. With the exception of the truly rustic out in fishing areas, it isn't uncommon to see smaller campers (they allow moderately sized pull behinds) with generators in them. I can't help but understand the parks are largely self-supporting, and catering to folks who will pay $40-50 a night for a cement pad and full hookups is more profitable than a $5 a night tent biker, but it still sucks.

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Check the gag NJ state parks have going on. A basic site without hookups is $25/night for non-residents. If you make a reservation on line of via phone, you get charged another $5 "transaction fee." *($5 per reservation, not per night.)
Yep, same thing here, but each campground is a separate reservation, so if you are only staying one night then moving to another, it is a reservation fee for each night. It is still fee free if you register at the campground, but getting into state campgrounds in the summer can be a gamble, and there isn't always another one a few miles down the road if it has already filled.

And where the heck does NJ have campgrounds? Mall parking lots???
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And where the heck does NJ have campgrounds? Mall parking lots???


Seriously...South Jersey and Northwest Jersey have some forests. There is the Pinelands National Reserve, which is the oldest national reserve in the country:

https://www.nps.gov/pine/index.htm

Don't know if it's still the case today, but not that long ago there were people living in tents and such in the undeveloped woods of the Pinelands. They are called "Pineys." I didn't make that up. Here is a brief history of the original Pineys:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piney_...rrens_resident)

There is also the Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area, which occupies land on the PA and NJ sides of the Delaware River between PA. Worthington State Forest abuts it to the south and hosts a portion of the AT. Was just camping there back in June and saw a bear cub. Couple of other large state forests as well.
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Oregon hiker/biker rate is $7 to 8 per night. Not $5 cheap (though it used to be), but it's pretty close.
But it's just gonna keep going up, and the frequency at which it goes up also keeps going up. In a decade it'll probably be $15-20.
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My guess is price-hike will be next. It seems that most want more stuff. In other parts of the country, old-school primitive sites I run across are empty. It seems your modern public needs their amenities to feel content-safe-happy.
I get why primitive sites are unpopular. You at least want an outhouse rather than digging a hole(especially in the rain...). But in my experience just putting in a decent outhouse makes the sites popular. I've rarely been to a campground with a bathroom that wasn't used during decent weather.
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Besides the cost of the-stuff there will be service and maintenance for the-stuff.
My guess is your single digit fee will soon be just a memory.
Exactly. That's BS when a person can't walk or ride a bike to the forest and go sleep on a small patch of grass without having to pay $15/night, which I'm certain it will be soon.

Hell, that's $450/month Minimum for sleeping in the woods on state owned property. That's only $50 less than my share of rent in a privately owned apartment with a kitchen and bathroom, and where I live is on the more expensive end of average for the country. I understand that 90% of my federal taxes go toward killing people in other countries to make sure the ultra-rich stay that way, but what am I paying state taxes for again? If people want fancy amenities, that's fine. Let them pay $100/night to stay in a state park tree house if they want to. But I think there should be an option to just walk in and put down a tent on some grass and sleep, if not for free, at least for nearly free.

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I get why primitive sites are unpopular. You at least want an outhouse rather than digging a hole(especially in the rain...). But in my experience just putting in a decent outhouse makes the sites popular. I've rarely been to a campground with a bathroom that wasn't used during decent weather.
Actually when I use the term primitive-campsite, I do mean that there is a pit-toilet, but that's all. I'm not referencing hike-in backcountry sites that may be essentially nothing more than a designated area. Im talking about sites that are drive-to but not into. You've gotta walk, a few feet

My experience has been that the general-public will choose the sites with more amenities even when there is a higher cost. I find this trajectory sad, the more amenities the more likely to be used. Yurts (with long waiting lists) are an example that comes to my mind. Costly full hook-up (with internet/cable TV) sites are used more than sites where someone has to walk a couple of hundred feet to get water

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My experience has been that the general-public will choose the sites with more amenities even when there is a higher cost. I find this trajectory sad, the more amenities the more likely to be used. (
Yeah. There is a very popular state park in DE called Cape Henlopen. Cool place on the Delaware Bay that used to be a military base to protect the bay from Nazi invasion. After the war, the U.S. military donated it to the state, which made it into the park. In any event...

Despite the campground portion of the park being wildly popular most of the year (I'd bet most summer weekends are already booked.), the state, at the urging of many of the public, decided a few years ago to add electrical hookups to most of the sites. It used to be that no RV or other generator use was allowed. Convenience, convenience, convenience. They did preserve a few tent-only sites, which I don't believe have power. I haven't been back since then. Got to wonder what the noise level is now.
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