Sturdy wheelset for touring
 

Hello!
My name's Oscar and I'm new around.
Hopefully I'm posting in the right forum.

I did my first cycling trip last year and I really loved it. After destroying 2 back wheels, I also learnt that I should invest in a new wheelset for my 28' hybrid bike.
I'm a big guy ( 95kg) and I only use back panniers. Having said that, I ride mostly on paved roads.

I read some threads about materials and I found this on the internet ( I'm sorry I'm still not allowed to paste links so these are the features).

ATB wheelset, consisting of:
· Rims: Mavic A 719, 36 hole (item no.: 1712087)
· Front hub: Shimano XT HB-T780 silver, 36 hole (item no.: 1770285)
· Rear hub: Shimano XT FH-T780 silver, 36 hole (item no.: 1770294)
· Spokes: DT Swiss Champion, silver
· Nipples: DT Swiss Double Square, brass (item no. 2043221): square head at both ends of the nipple (to tighten the nipple from the side of the rim base, you'll need the Park Tool SW-16, item no.: 2010296, as the nipple doesn't have a slotted head)
· Hub width: 100 mm / 135 mm
· Compatibility: Shimano 7-/8-/9-/10-speed
· Incl. quick release skewers, without rim tape (required width: 22 mm)
· Max. system weight: 140 kg (cyclist, bike, gear and luggage)
· Category: 2 (please click on the button for more information)

PRICE 181€ _ ROSE BIKES ONLINE

What do you think price & quality wise? Would they be suitable for my basic Trek 7.1 fx series 2015?
Thanks for your time!

I recently built my son a set of wheels for his bicycle. On the rear wheel I used the Shimano XT FH-T780 hub. I used Sapim spokes and Ryde Andra 30 rims. If I were to use DT spokes I would use spoke washers so the spokes would make good contact at the bend on the hub. The Andra 30 rims are probably the strongest rimes available. I used the Son dyno hub on the front wheel.

Thanks for your advice. I read wonders about Andra 30, but here in Spain are hard to find, and so a Velocity, etc.. Mavic's are easier. Considering I do not want to spend a fortune, what do you think about these Mavics set?

Be Prepared..
 

One thing .. Out here we see damaged touring wheels , in the busy season wheels will not be rebuilt so fast

you get a pre built wheel ,

and it wont be high end parts ..



But OK get a 36 spoke rear , a 32 spoke front can be OK , its not dished like rears are
(18 spokes tighter on one side , 18, not as tight on the other , so there is space for all those cassette cogs..



Bring a couple spare spokes, and be prepared with tools to remove the cassette in the field,

as odds are greatest,

the ones on the rear right side will be what breaks.. first

(& keep the spoke protector disc in place , it saves long walks with a trashed wheel.. )










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I've been very satisfied with the 36 hole A 719 rims with the XT hubs. I weigh 220 lbs and was really good at breaking spokes and causing wheels to become out of true before I bought a similar wheelset to the one you are looking at. I've even used them on gravel and dirt roads with no trouble. I had them for at least seven years so far and they're still running true. Make sure the rear spacing matches the hub spacing on your bike. They should be able to fix the spacing if it's different.

That's a good price for those wheels. Solid basic touring wheels.

Rear spacing?
 

Thanks for your helful reply.
When you talk about rear spacing, do you mean the hub width?

I bought the exact same set from Rose with a 26" 719 rim for my off-road bike a few years ago and they are holding up well enough. My hubs came a little tight from the factory so you should check that. Consider the same set with the dynamo hub for $25 more if you think you ever might want lights on your touring bike. As long as you're ordering from Rose, they have great prices on German lights and racks too. Sure it's not a hand-built wheel, but I don't think you'll find a better value. How are you destroying wheels? Are you breaking spokes? You can stress-relive, tension and true the wheels when you get them and they will be every bit as good as a hand-built wheel.

Hello, Kingston

Thanks for the advice. I've seen the dynamo ones, but I don't usually ride at night. Having said that, would it be easy to charge my cell phone on the go? That would be helpful since I use Maps me app.

Regarding the broken wheels. After 1000km the rear axle bent. 300 hundred km later, there were 4 spokes broken... I don't have any idea why.
Probably this Trek 7.1 series comes standard with not very durable parts for heavy touring ( 32 spokes wheels,, ...), as it is more a basic trekking bike.

Great!

I have heard people complain that the aluminum axles in the new XT hubs aren't as strong as the old steel ones. I've never had any trouble, but I'm not particularly hard on wheels either. That said, I still don't think you'll find better value for a set of touring wheels. You can always upgrade to something really heavy duty if you start breaking XT axles.

Yes. You would also have to get a USB charger like this one or something similar.

Yes. From nut to nut so it's the correct span for your frame. My frame has a 130 rear width, but the wheels I ordered were spaced for 135 width. I called the company and they had them adjusted for the width of my frame. I think your bike is 135, and I'd expect the wheels are built for that spacing, but you should make sure they match ☺

If you are ever going to want a dynohub, get it now. Now it raises the cost by the difference of price for a dynohub versus a non-dyno hub. But if you decide to upgrade later, at a later date you are paying at a minimum for a second hub and another set of spokes. Even if you did not initially use the hub for USB power or lighting, you could still use the dynohub like any other hub and add USB charging or dyno powered lighting later.

I have a 700c set of wheels I built up in 2004 for touring with A719 rims. Worked great. I put 23 miles on the rear wheel two days ago.

I also have a set of Andra 30 wheels for a 26 inch bike that has taken expedition type of loads. They are also good. For 26 I would have liked the rims to be wider than the Andra 30 are because on a 26 inch bike I often run wider tires than I do on a 700c bike, but that is a different topic.

I think the big advantage of the Andra 30 rims is that (for extra cost) you could get CSS braking surfaces, but Ryde no long makes the rims with CSS braking surface. So I now consider any Andra 30 rim to be roughly equivalent to another heavy duty rim.

The other advantage of the Andra 30 rims is not applicable to your bike, the spoke nipple holes can be drilled at a different angle for Rohloff wheels but you are not using a Rohloff so not an issue.

Close but not quite the issue. The Aluminum axles are quite strong, but they are much larger in diameter than the older steel axles. Thus the newer XT hubs with the Aluminum axles use smaller ball bearings (I think they are 3/16 inch) due to the smaller space to fit the bearings into. The older steel axle XT hubs use 1/4 inch steel balls. The problem is not the Aluminum axles, the problem is the smaller bearings used in the hubs with those axles. There have been more bearing failures in those hubs than with the older 1/4 inch bearing hubs.

Two years ago when I built up my Lynskey Backroad (a touring bike), I asked a mechanic that I respected what he thought of a couple of the higher end hubs like Phil or Velo Orange that used cartridge ball bearings. He said that he thought that the best hub for the rear for loaded touring was one with a steel axle and 1/4 inch steel ball bearings. My two other touring bikes that I had been using had the XT rear hubs with 1/4 inch ball bearings (M756 and M760 hubs) without any failures, so I decided to stick with what I already had been using. I found that I could still buy a 36 hole M756A XT hub, so I bought it for my Lynskey. Has been working great for the past two years.

That said, a lot of LHT were built with the newer XT hubs with Aluminum axles and a lot of those owners have not had a problem. But since I was trying to decide what hub to buy, I could pretty much pick anything that I wanted so I stuck with the steel axle.

A small number of the first batches of the Shimano Aluminum axle XT hubs also had a failure at the freehub to hub shell connection, but that was years ago, I have not heard of that failure being repeated for several years.

I think that the Deore hubs are as strong as the steel axle XT hubs.

I just double checked, and the dynamo wheel set I linked to above actually comes with a Deore steel axle hub. Even more reason to get that set.

bike24 has the Andra rims and they ship world wide. There is an Andra 40. My Phil Wood hubs on my tandem have hardened SS axles. People who buy Phil Wood parts are the kind that like to ride there bicycle with no failures. Some mechanics are not old enough to have heard of or even know of the quality of Phil Wood, Chris King and Paul bicycle components. People who purchase these quality parts most likely have no need to bring there bicycles in for repair. If it isn't broken it has no need to be repaired. Or as my wanna be red neck neighbor Dale would say (if it ain't broke don't fix it).

not directly you need to buy something like the Plug that puts out a USB limited output.

they're made in the Eurozone ..