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Schwalbe Super Moto-X (GreenGuard) 2.4 tires for touring

Old 01-12-21, 04:59 AM
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Schwalbe Super Moto-X (GreenGuard) 2.4 tires for touring

Hello everyone,

I was curious about these tires, Schwalbe Super Moto-X (GreenGuard) 2.4, specifically 26 x 2.4 option for my MTB 1994 converted touring expedition bike. Somewhere mentioned as a balloon tire, I have seen in a video that people use it for touring, for a good mix of off-road and on-road touring. It claims good comfort as any balloon tire and low rolling resistance, durability and puncture protection.

In a video
starting from 6:21, some good comments are said about it.

My intention is to use it with rim brakes, specifically Magura rim hydraulics which I already have. I would like to replace my Schwalbe Marathon 26 x 1.75 GreeGuard tires. They are nice road touring tires, but many times I find myself riding off-road over all sorts of loose rocky and gravel terrain, etc. and I wish for a little bit more control and comfort over this terrain. I played with Koga bike configurator on their site and it mentions that configuration with Magura rim hydraulic brakes is not possible. Or maybe I am getting something wrong? Is it maybe due to the width of this tire 61mm and possibly some clearance issue with rim brakes? I was sure that it would fit though...

Has anyone used this tire for touring or with rim brakes successfully and what is your general opinion on this tire for touring?

Thank you on your response.
Peter

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Old 01-12-21, 07:23 AM
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I have no personal experience with them, but I'm fairly certain that a Dutch couple I followed who were riding down the Americas used them while in South America. They were rather heavily loaded and were very often on dirt back roads, and I recall seeing these tires on their bikes at some point. They seemed happy enough with them.

**Very important before you order these tires--frame width-- ie , will the frame be able to take them?
I have a late 90s mtb that I use for my winter bike now, and I can juuuuuuuust fit a 2.5 knobby in the front, with very little room between the front suspension crown or whatever its called, but the rear of the bike is way too narrow for 2.5.
My bike's max rear is probably 2.2 or something, I use regular old 2.1 or 2.15 mtb tires on the rear, so just be wary and carefully check the bike.
The problem of course with a tight clearance is first mud / debris accumulation which then will wear at your frame--a real concern. And then of course if your wheels go out of true, you'll be dealing with a real mess and maybe not be able to ride.

I can't recall the suggested minimum distances to frames, but given offroad mud accumulation and stuff, you'd be better off being careful than thinking it will be fine.
just a heads up.
If they will fit safely, having ridden 2/5s a bit, the feeling is pretty cool. Sure, they are big tires and so you can't expect them to roll like narrower ones, but over any kind of loose surfaces the traction difference is very neat and the feel is fun. You just have to balance how often you'd really need big tires like this, and only you know that.
They weigh just over a kilo, 1095 g, and there are other Schwalbe options for slightly less wide tires, but without checking, it seems that there are less options in 26in than just a year ago.

get back here with the chainstay clearance up near the seatube area, I suspect it may to too tight.
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It is a good tire, we have been using them on e-bikes for a while and they seem to be excellent and are becoming the norm in that market. As djb said good to double check and make sure you have clearance for the tires and also mud and such. They may work with your brakes I don't know. Those configurators can be kind of funky but they aren't high clearance brakes so that could be the reason. You might just purchase one and do some testing just to see.
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I finally found that the Dutch couple I was following last year were using Smart Sam 2.6" 65mm tires, a much knobbier tire than the Super moto X.
I'm still sure the motox would work fine, but in the end, will they fit on your bike?
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I have not used that tire, I use conventional V brakes with a Travel Agent to adjust cable pull to allow normal pull brake levers. With my fenders set to give me adequate clearance around my 57mm tires, I bought V brakes that had 110mm long brake arms.
https://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/

Sorry, the rack complicates the photo a bit.



and this photo is out of focus.

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I think Schwalbe Mondials give you more bite off road but the fattest is 26x2.15 and they're expensive. I have had Mondials and like them as all around tires and they last a long time, so in that sense they're not overpriced.

I haven't tried the Super Moto-X, I'm just guessing the Mondials will be better off road judging by the looks of the tread.
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I think Indigo is going to have to just try these things if they fit on his bike, and decide if they work for him or her.
As tyrion and Tmsn say , it will really depend on the terrain and what the rider is comfortable with.
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Hello everyone, just to update you on this one.

I went to my local bikes shop and spoke to people there. Since I have rims with internal diameter of 19mm it is not recommended to put balloon 2.4 inch tires on them although Schwalbe's manual mentions that 19mm is lower minimum for Super Moto-X 2.4 (62mm). According to the guys from the shop, from their past experience they have seen defects on balloon tires side walls in general when mounted on the narrow rims and when the pressure was not enough. These tires are meant to be ridden from 2-4 bar pressure, lower pressure off-road to get better suspension and up to 4 on asphalt. So in case you have narrow rims like I do what's the point of lowering pressure when you risk damaging tire side walls. Hence this would not work well in my scenario.

Here is extract from Schwalbe bicycle tire handbook related to rim-tire sizing: https://www.schwalbetires.com/sites/...e_2018-eng.pdf



Another point would be the clearance as you colleagues have mentioned in posts above. I have frame clearance but only about 4mm on each side to Magura hydraulic rim brake boosters. That seems to be very tight fit too and is pretty risky due to possible tire wobble or wheel wobble. So in the end they have persuaded me not to buy the tires. Nice guys. I wanted to try these tires badly but will have to slow down on this a little bit. Still have my Marathons 1.75 which work fine.
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I run guard Schwalbe tour plus, they are really the best of the puncture resistance tyres they sell, with a puncture resistant tube. 11000km, on last lot, and still going no punctures, 35 mm, but you can get them in all sizes. Not cheap.
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Originally Posted by Indigo82 View Post
Hello everyone, just to update you on this one.

I went to my local bikes shop and spoke to people there. Since I have rims with internal diameter of 19mm it is not recommended to put balloon 2.4 inch tires on them although Schwalbe's manual mentions that 19mm is lower minimum for Super Moto-X 2.4 (62mm). According to the guys from the shop, from their past experience they have seen defects on balloon tires side walls in general when mounted on the narrow rims and when the pressure was not enough. These tires are meant to be ridden from 2-4 bar pressure, lower pressure off-road to get better suspension and up to 4 on asphalt. So in case you have narrow rims like I do what's the point of lowering pressure when you risk damaging tire side walls. Hence this would not work well in my scenario.

Here is extract from Schwalbe bicycle tire handbook related to rim-tire sizing: https://www.schwalbetires.com/sites/...e_2018-eng.pdf

Another point would be the clearance as you colleagues have mentioned in posts above. I have frame clearance but only about 4mm on each side to Magura hydraulic rim brake boosters. That seems to be very tight fit too and is pretty risky due to possible tire wobble or wheel wobble. So in the end they have persuaded me not to buy the tires. Nice guys. I wanted to try these tires badly but will have to slow down on this a little bit. Still have my Marathons 1.75 which work fine.
That's great that the store has been helpful. Given the width limitations of the frame, you could still try going wide, but with safe clearances. There are 2.1in width 26in schwalbes that you should be able to find in Europe easily (I assume Europe from your bar pressure mentioning) and while not as wide as the 2.4 tires, you'll notice a difference compared to the 1.75in marathons in terms of cushion and wider footprint.
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