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Old 02-19-22, 04:06 PM
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You really do travel light based on that photo. But, that really makes me wonder how important the stand really is. No racks, no fenders, only two water bottle cages, there really is not much assembly on that bike.

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& buy a bigger duffel backpack." I've used an inexpensive amzn 60L backpack duffel 1/2 dozen times in last 6 months. I recently had the shocking realization that perhaps my salvation lies in buying a bigger bag. I've found that flying in someplace where I then need to get to a train or hotel with my stuff in hand means I can handle one rolling luggage (the bike box) and one backpack type luggage . . . plus whatever small carryon I take on the plane. Means I'm checking two bags (backpack duffel & bike box) which costs me a few bucks each way but that's simpler for me than trying to get by with a big carryon & a checked bike. I flew to France twice last summer & it cost me $100 extra each way to check an extra bag. I've flown down to CA/AZ 5x in past 4 months and it's cost me $40 each way for additional checked bag. Tolerable. Maybe not optimal but a relatively cheap solve
First photo below is my luggage for my trip to Iceland. S&S Backpack is the black bag. The green bag was my second checked bag, the size and shape of a suitcase, but basically a duffel the way it was constructed, with just fabric and no frame. I had trouble getting all my stuff packed, so decided to replace the green bag with something bigger. The other bags were carry on. I do not trust airline luggage handlers to handle my helmet, I carry that into the airport and wear it onto the plane, put it in the overhead on the plane.



Second photo, my Canadian Maritimes trip, the orange bag is a 115 liter backpack made by SealLine, replaced my green bag. It is water tight and air tight, so I put a towel in the top fold so air can permeate through the towel as the air pressure in the plane hold varies during the flight. The orange bag, that specific model was discontinued, but they make a comparable one.



If the switch from Ortlieb to Carradry makes you wonder, I bought the Carradry panniers for a specific trip that did not happen. And the Axiom smaller gray ones at a garage sale, the gray looked better with the gray Carradry. Every trip I was wondering if I should try out the Carradry, and finally decided to try them for that trip. Nothing wrong with the Ortliebs, in the future I will use Ortiels for some trips and Carradry for others, depending on trip.

On my Iceland trip, I met a couple from Utah that were there for two weeks with their Ritchey Break Away bikes. They were loaded almost as light as you. They said that they only had to check the two bikes in the Ritchey cases, everything else went into their carry on bags. Flying Delta that year, one checked bag was free (their Ritchey cases), so they had no luggage fees.
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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
You really do travel light based on that photo. But, that really makes me wonder how important the stand really is. No racks, no fenders, only two water bottle cages, there really is not much assembly on that bike.



First photo below is my luggage for my trip to Iceland. S&S Backpack is the black bag. The green bag was my second checked bag, the size and shape of a suitcase, but basically a duffel the way it was constructed, with just fabric and no frame. I had trouble getting all my stuff packed, so decided to replace the green bag with something bigger. The other bags were carry on. I do not trust airline luggage handlers to handle my helmet, I carry that into the airport and wear it onto the plane, put it in the overhead on the plane.



Second photo, my Canadian Maritimes trip, the orange bag is a 115 liter backpack made by SealLine, replaced my green bag. It is water tight and air tight, so I put a towel in the top fold so air can permeate through the towel as the air pressure in the plane hold varies during the flight. The orange bag, that specific model was discontinued, but they make a comparable one.



If the switch from Ortlieb to Carradry makes you wonder, I bought the Carradry panniers for a specific trip that did not happen. And the Axiom smaller gray ones at a garage sale, the gray looked better with the gray Carradry. Every trip I was wondering if I should try out the Carradry, and finally decided to try them for that trip. Nothing wrong with the Ortliebs, in the future I will use Ortiels for some trips and Carradry for others, depending on trip.

On my Iceland trip, I met a couple from Utah that were there for two weeks with their Ritchey Break Away bikes. They were loaded almost as light as you. They said that they only had to check the two bikes in the Ritchey cases, everything else went into their carry on bags. Flying Delta that year, one checked bag was free (their Ritchey cases), so they had no luggage fees.
Wow Tourist in MSN! You truly are an inspiration! I love the fact you wear your helmet on board; that's totally money! Appreciate the bag suggestions. I'll go poke around for those. I ended up building an excel grid to compare bike maint stands. We'll see how it works out. You never know really but I'll circle back with an update when it shows up. I bought another bag but I'm tempted to abandon that in favor of your recommendations. Here's the stand I ended up picking; 35" folded, 9.7lbs, & $90. Good reviews but mostly from people cleaning their chains https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083DKD3DR...d_asin_2_title I also liked that it appears I can take the head/clamp off; that'll make packing more straightforward.

Here's a link to my grid comparing the 9 stands I looked at (on the extremely off chance that someone else thinks this is interesting.) My goals for the thing are low weight & pack height. I wasn't as concerned with durability or stability. I'd probably have bought the Feedback Sports one if that were the case but it's a significant chunk of dough (and harder to pack.) I also appreciate I'm solving a problem that many of the wise & hardened souls here wouldn't contemplate troubling themselves with. And, because of that, I'm grateful for your patience and indulgence Thank you.
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Originally Posted by jkbrooks
... Appreciate the bag suggestions. I'll go poke around for those. ...
I assume your S&S case is the hard case.

One more bag option that you can wear as a backpack that was so obvious I did not even think of it is the S&S Backpack case, the black bag pictured in my photos in my previous post. Price would be a bit more than the others, but it also collapses in size and would fit in an S&S hard case for storage.

I have worn it as a backpack with a bike in it and packed to 49 pounds a couple of times. It carries well enough, no worse than the SealLine bag.

I cut two pieces of Coroplast to put in the sides of my S&S Backpack case, 26 X 26 inches with rounded corners to make my case a bit stiffer and give it better structure. I do not want to crease the Coroplast sheets to fold them, but if I chose to do that they would still work fine when unfolded and used in the case.

There are four side pieces in the S&S Backpack case that are held together in the corners with velcro. I am guessing that those side pieces are about 29 or 30 X 10 when flat. Thus, the S&S Backpack can be packed inside the hard S&S case. The side pieces are flexible for packing, but are not too flexible, they provide adequate support to the assembled case. I find that assembling the Backpack case works best if the velcro straps in the corners is left a bit loose.

Photo below is my Backpack Case with the side pieces removed and stored as flat sheets inside the case, I also have my orange Sealline backpack in the case in the photo, thus the bag is much thinner than 10 inches, this is how I stored it in the luggage room at a hostel on two trips.



If I wanted to fold my Coroplast sheets, it would be even smaller.

Advantage of this would be that if your other S&S case was damaged, the S&S Backpack case could be a contingency to use for the bike.

I mentioned the Ritchey case in my previous post, that case is slightly over 62 inches by the way that airlines measure. But the Ritchey owners I have talked to almost never are charged an oversize fee. And since some of the airlines no longer charge that fee, that is even less of an issue now.

The photo below is my bike inside the S&S Backpack case, without racks (do not fit) and a few other things to lower the weight to 49 pounds. I made a DIY center support for the case out of two wood dowels and two small sheets of plywood, you can see the plywood sheet on top of the bike, there are two screws in it to hold the pieces together. I really wanted to make sure that the airlines to not crush things. My first center support was masonite and that was cracked after a trip, so I replaced with thin plywood instead. Since the masonite was cracked, that did its job well without damage to the bike.

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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
I assume your S&S case is the hard case.

One more bag option that you can wear as a backpack that was so obvious I did not even think of it is the S&S Backpack case, the black bag pictured in my photos in my previous post. Price would be a bit more than the others, but it also collapses in size and would fit in an S&S hard case for storage.

I have worn it as a backpack with a bike in it and packed to 49 pounds a couple of times. It carries well enough, no worse than the SealLine bag.

I cut two pieces of Coroplast to put in the sides of my S&S Backpack case, 26 X 26 inches with rounded corners to make my case a bit stiffer and give it better structure. I do not want to crease the Coroplast sheets to fold them, but if I chose to do that they would still work fine when unfolded and used in the case.

There are four side pieces in the S&S Backpack case that are held together in the corners with velcro. I am guessing that those side pieces are about 29 or 30 X 10 when flat. Thus, the S&S Backpack can be packed inside the hard S&S case. The side pieces are flexible for packing, but are not too flexible, they provide adequate support to the assembled case. I find that assembling the Backpack case works best if the velcro straps in the corners is left a bit loose.

Photo below is my Backpack Case with the side pieces removed and stored as flat sheets inside the case, I also have my orange Sealline backpack in the case in the photo, thus the bag is much thinner than 10 inches, this is how I stored it in the luggage room at a hostel on two trips.



If I wanted to fold my Coroplast sheets, it would be even smaller.

Advantage of this would be that if your other S&S case was damaged, the S&S Backpack case could be a contingency to use for the bike.

I mentioned the Ritchey case in my previous post, that case is slightly over 62 inches by the way that airlines measure. But the Ritchey owners I have talked to almost never are charged an oversize fee. And since some of the airlines no longer charge that fee, that is even less of an issue now.

The photo below is my bike inside the S&S Backpack case, without racks (do not fit) and a few other things to lower the weight to 49 pounds. I made a DIY center support for the case out of two wood dowels and two small sheets of plywood, you can see the plywood sheet on top of the bike, there are two screws in it to hold the pieces together. I really wanted to make sure that the airlines to not crush things. My first center support was masonite and that was cracked after a trip, so I replaced with thin plywood instead. Since the masonite was cracked, that did its job well without damage to the bike.

Thank you Tourist in MSN! The S&S backpack is an interesting idea. That + a big roller duffel might be a better combo. Did I mention that I really dislike the S&S roller case? It's fine to roll a short distance but I've had to schlep it 1km or 2km and over some construction gravel areas. The wheels on it are miniscule and dragging it any appreciable distance is a drag. Since I've owned it for 16+ years maybe I can consider it "fully depreciated" and get a replacement.

I looked at those SealLine bags. Those things are wicked cool! And a Seattle company (near me) which I like. It's comforting to meet a fellow traveler with a similar bag & box fetish as me.

Current fantasy is still duffel backback & the S&S rolling bike box that I loathe. I've had a few problems with stuff getting broken en route. Biggest issue was a spoke but that was inbound not outbound so less of an issue. I think the TSA guys inadvertently screwed up my cables & that caused the cable head to fray and cost me a day at start in Bordeaux last summer. I dont bother padding the frame etc but it has gotten banged up and I am in process of replacing the Davidson decals today. (velocals.com)

Here's the bag and the maint stand I landed on. Bag is obnoxiously big but I think it can be cinched down to manageable. I ran into oversize bag charges a few years ago but I've learned to stop volunteering that my S&S case contains a bike. I've noticed that "bicycle" is a trigger word for the airline check in folks. I said "velo" in France once a few years ago and it turned into a whole life altering experience. I had to get in yet another line with the dogs, and the caged wildlife, and the people transporting reactor grade plutonium . . . These days I roll in full Bill Clinton style; "don't ask. don't tell" about what's in the box.

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Unplug ultimate adventure bag. Obnoxious. Overkill. Could be perfect.
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My trip where airline luggage handlers cracked my center support, I had to tweak a few spokes to true up the wheels, but otherwise no problem.

I used to use wheeled luggage, but after rolling luggage through unplowed snow covered parking lots, cobble stones, etc., I decided to switch to backpacks. I have several versions, also have two Patagonia duffels with shoulder straps. In the photo below it is hard to see I am wearing the S&S Backpack case on my back because it is black and disappears against the background. The brown bag on the separate wheelie cart is the 90 liter Patagonia duffle that I can wear as a backpack.




My last bike tour where I had the S&S case, that orange backpack and two other bags, I had to get all that from the hostel to the train station about 2/3 of a mile away. Walked over there with the S&S Backpack and one carry-on, went back to the hostel for the orange backpack and other carry-on bag for the second trip. Train station staff did not mind watching my bag for me.

Now that most airlines (but not all) have dropped their oversize fees for bikes, I see no reason to hide that I have a bike in the S&S case. Some airlines appear to have canceled the oversize fee for bikes but the oversize fee will remain for some other pieces of luggage. I have never been asked by airline personnel if a bike was in the bag, I would have answered bike parts but not a complete bike. Since the bike and case exceeded 50 pounds, the pedals, saddle and a few other parts were in my other checked bag to keep the weight down, so that bag did not have a complete bike in it.

You did not say which size bag you got at Amazon. I assume the 110 liter bag, that should be a hair below 62 inches for airline dimensions. That is comparable to the Sealline bag I have for volume.

My Sealline bag at 115 liters, I have used one like that but heavier construction for over two decades for canoe trips in northern Minnesota on the Canadian border. The one I use canoeing also has a waist belt and extra re-infircing so it is over five pounds. I like that bag, but I wanted something lighter and more compact when empty for airline travel. I learned that Sealline had made a lightweight version of it that was much lighter at 2.5 pounds, no longer made but I watched for it and got one on a clearance sale at REI three years ago.
https://www.rei.com/product/784169/s...ack-115-liters

The one they sell now of that size is over four pounds, likely less compact when folded up for storage too.

Pressure in an airplane hold is probably equivalent to about 8000 feet of elevation, so if you use a waterproof and air tight bag, make sure you put something in the foldable opening that air can permeate through to get into and out of the bag. I used a small towel for that.

My S&S bike in the photo, if you are curious.



I do not travel as light as you.
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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
My trip where airline luggage handlers cracked my center support, I had to tweak a few spokes to true up the wheels, but otherwise no problem.

I used to use wheeled luggage, but after rolling luggage through unplowed snow covered parking lots, cobble stones, etc., I decided to switch to backpacks. I have several versions, also have two Patagonia duffels with shoulder straps. In the photo below it is hard to see I am wearing the S&S Backpack case on my back because it is black and disappears against the background. The brown bag on the separate wheelie cart is the 90 liter Patagonia duffle that I can wear as a backpack.




My last bike tour where I had the S&S case, that orange backpack and two other bags, I had to get all that from the hostel to the train station about 2/3 of a mile away. Walked over there with the S&S Backpack and one carry-on, went back to the hostel for the orange backpack and other carry-on bag for the second trip. Train station staff did not mind watching my bag for me.

Now that most airlines (but not all) have dropped their oversize fees for bikes, I see no reason to hide that I have a bike in the S&S case. Some airlines appear to have canceled the oversize fee for bikes but the oversize fee will remain for some other pieces of luggage. I have never been asked by airline personnel if a bike was in the bag, I would have answered bike parts but not a complete bike. Since the bike and case exceeded 50 pounds, the pedals, saddle and a few other parts were in my other checked bag to keep the weight down, so that bag did not have a complete bike in it.

You did not say which size bag you got at Amazon. I assume the 110 liter bag, that should be a hair below 62 inches for airline dimensions. That is comparable to the Sealline bag I have for volume.

My Sealline bag at 115 liters, I have used one like that but heavier construction for over two decades for canoe trips in northern Minnesota on the Canadian border. The one I use canoeing also has a waist belt and extra re-infircing so it is over five pounds. I like that bag, but I wanted something lighter and more compact when empty for airline travel. I learned that Sealline had made a lightweight version of it that was much lighter at 2.5 pounds, no longer made but I watched for it and got one on a clearance sale at REI three years ago.
https://www.rei.com/product/784169/s...ack-115-liters

The one they sell now of that size is over four pounds, likely less compact when folded up for storage too.

Pressure in an airplane hold is probably equivalent to about 8000 feet of elevation, so if you use a waterproof and air tight bag, make sure you put something in the foldable opening that air can permeate through to get into and out of the bag. I used a small towel for that.

My S&S bike in the photo, if you are curious.



I do not travel as light as you.
Tourist in MSN you are indeed an intrepid traveller and a badass! You've got an admirable system that you've clearly fine tuned over the years. Hugely impressive! Makes me feel a little less neurotic about my packing/hauling plans even though my treks are quite a bit less ambitious than yours! Helps me to know "what good looks like;" thank you! I actually bought the 155L bag but wont stuff it full and plan to cinch it down in hopes of avoiding the ruler. We'll see how it goes I guess. Fly out tomorrow for LAX. Gonna ride down to Tijuana. Had ablation surgery a week ago so my intention is to roll low, slow, light, and short each day. But, I'll be in short sleeves & wearing sun screen. Not an epic trip but I think will be good for my mental state & I'm looking forward to see how my new gear plan works.
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My choice on the bag size (155L) was internal length. I wanted to fit the bike maint stand in it. Maint stand showed up. I was able to break it down a little and put it in a case from a folding camp chair. I agree that the maint stand is a luxury/indulgence. And . . . that's ok. If the whole thing turns into a goat rodeo, I'll be solo and there will be no witnesses or victims to my silliness!
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... We'll see how it goes I guess. Fly out tomorrow for LAX. Gonna ride down to Tijuana. ....
Have a great trip, stay safe.
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...Had ablation surgery a week ago...
Just remember your heart is burned on the inside. You are probably still on thinners too. Try to treat yourself like you have a burn on your face. Think about how it would hurt and how it would limit your activities. I am not suggesting that you not ride, but I am suggesting that you not party... Ha

All in all it sounds like your are going to have a wonderful trip. Don't forget to take a printed dialog of your complete medical history with you containing phone numbers of your Doc's.
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Thank you zandoval . That's prudent advice which I didn't see, unfortunately, before I shoved off. Ride was good. Spent the vast majority of it in flutter. Longish first day knocked me back into normal sinus but then the flutter recurred. Mostly the ride was fine. It wasn't an aggressive route or plan and I was slow rolling. But, I was aware of a challenge to get the power out climbing. And, it was reassuring that I could go and do the work.

Update on the stand/bag (links further up in the thread.)
155L Unplug duffel with backpack straps. Fit the maint stand fine. And, given that I dont really roll with all that much stuff, it was a bit obnoxious from a size standpoint. It's got synch straps etc which made it better but I think I'd be happier getting by with something smaller. I left it at my start hotel with my S&S case (I've done this a number of times.)
Stand. Good stand. Well, reasonable. I wouldnt buy one as my main thing but for this purpose it is nearly perfect. Simple, aluminum, can break it down a little . . .
Since it is just simple aluminum tubing (about 5" diameter mostly), I think I'm going to figure out how much I can cut it down, mark it, and take it to my local muffler shop (those guys have helped me with all kinds of random stuff like this!) I'm thinking if I can knock off six inches or so, I can get it in my 110L duffel backpack and the whole array of crazy will be a little less obnoxious.

I'll post pictures pre & post of the maint stand if you guys are interested. Wonder how much weight cutting it down will knock off? I think I have a tool for that!

Thank you guys for all of your help and indulgence of my silliness.

Here's my routes & a photo album in icloud I shared with my family (i typically do this as a light weight "proof of life" exercise.)Daily routes (Ride with GPS collection of all the rides…end-to-end parts A & B + daily routes)

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Ride was good. Spent the vast majority of it in flutter. Longish first day knocked me back into normal sinus but then the flutter recurred.


... maybe this thread should've been more about ways to cardiovert yourself on tour, rather than about carrying bike stands.

EDIT: to be clear, not judging. Impressed and think you're bonkers, yes. Judging, no.

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... maybe this thread should've been more about ways to cardiovert yourself on tour, rather than about carrying bike stands.

EDIT: to be clear, not judging. Impressed and think you're bonkers, yes. Judging, no.
Ha! Thank you ericoseveins. I think maybe you're not alone in your assessment. But I'm just out doing what I can. I had a sudden cardiac death (vfib) incident 16 years ago. 3% chance of survival. Shoulda killed me. And my docs are great and well intentioned but they don't/cant know everything. And if they said "NFW you should do this," I'd listen. I think. So, I think i'm more risk tolerant than many but I try not to be reckless. . . like I didn't do any gravel touring in the middle of no where in central oregon last summer. So, you know, we all do what we can.
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I think maybe you're not alone in your assessment. But I'm just out doing what I can.
Well like Michelle Pfeiffer said, you've got to rage against the dying of the light. And also makes me think of that other guy who wrote that poem about doodily doing what we muddily must until we bodily bust.

All seriousness, I find that pretty inspirational. Can certainly relate with some of my own experiences.
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Originally Posted by ericoseveins
Well like Michelle Pfeiffer said, you've got to rage against the dying of the light. And also makes me think of that other guy who wrote that poem about doodily doing what we muddily must until we bodily bust.

All seriousness, I find that pretty inspirational. Can certainly relate with some of my own experiences.
Thank you ericoseveins. You're very kind and generous. I was whining to one of my cardiologists about getting dropped off the back of the slow kids group . . . "is this going to get any better?!" He said, "well, those people all probably have normal hearts. If you looked at your performance with a peer group that all had the same underlying condition you do, you'd be in the 98th percentile I'm sure."
"Did you just tell me I'm the fastest slow kid with heart issues?" Awesome! Everyone gets a medal!

Love the "gotta rage against the dying of the light". Perfect.

Good luck with your stuff. Accept. Adjust. Accept. Adjust Uggh
I'm happy to share my "wealth of ignorance" if you want to message me on the side.
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I am glad the trip went well and that you are happy with the stand that started this thread. I was pretty sure that giant duffle was a bit too big.

I am clueless on your medical issues, do not understand the lingo at all. And I hope that I can stay totally ignorant on that, as I have my own set of med issues and do not need any more.

If you have to climb hills slowly to protect your heart, does your bike have low enough gearing? My light and my medium touring bikes have triple cranks with 24T chainrings for granny gears, 32 is my biggest rear sprocket, both bikes have identical drivetrains. That said, my heavy touring bike is in the photos in posts 10 and 30, that is a Rohloff bike.
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Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN
I am glad the trip went well and that you are happy with the stand that started this thread. I was pretty sure that giant duffle was a bit too big.

I am clueless on your medical issues, do not understand the lingo at all. And I hope that I can stay totally ignorant on that, as I have my own set of med issues and do not need any more.

If you have to climb hills slowly to protect your heart, does your bike have low enough gearing? My light and my medium touring bikes have triple cranks with 24T chainrings for granny gears, 32 is my biggest rear sprocket, both bikes have identical drivetrains. That said, my heavy touring bike is in the photos in posts 10 and 30, that is a Rohloff bike.
Thanks Tourist in MSN! Yes. You were right about the bag. Slightly irritating but not soul crushing infuriating so . . . maybe I'll replace it with one of your nifty Sealine bags. Think I'm running 34 - 34 as my lowest gear. FSA Subcompact & a cassette that looks like a salad plate. I heard once "I never met a gear I didn't like" and If, god forbid, I start rolling with more ambitious plans (like yours), I'll revisit the gearing. That's a sage heads up. Thank you.

I too hope you stay out of the wonderful & wacky world of heart arrhythmia. I'm sure your personal bag of maladies, afflictions and vices is fully sufficient! The wonders of being a "man of a certain age."
thanks again for all of your help and support!
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Update on the maint stand & bag

Here's the stand I ended up going with. $87 on amzn. Light & simple but I wouldnt want to use it as a stand I used on a daily basis. Worked perfect for my trek.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083DKD3DR...1BX1MAX2JN6FJN

I took it to a muffler shop to have it cut down to 28 inches (I measured & marked it; then gave the guy $20 for making the two cuts for me.)

Now fits in my much more manageable 60L duffel/backpack
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G9VKCZS...ing=UTF8&psc=1

Now weighs 3.2kg/7.1lbs

Picture below of pieces (post cut) & stand with my bike on it. Pic with bike on stand not awesome. I can post another if someone wants a better view


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083DKD3DR...ing=UTF8&psc=1
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