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Old 11-16-22, 06:23 PM
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There are tons of cheap and free camping in NY.
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Originally Posted by Thulsadoom View Post
There are tons of cheap and free camping in NY.
Last year I camped at Taconic State Park. The Copake site. Don’t remember what it cost, but it was reasonable snd well worth it. They had recently built a new, huge bathhouse. Looked like the paint was still drying. You get your own private room with shower, toilet and sink. There is also a nice camp sink on one side of the building and a power outlet. It’s right along the latest extension of the Harlem Valley Trail. At the entrance, the former railroad station has been turned into a cafe/store. Highly recommend the site. Way better than the Rudd Pond site down the road.

A guy I know just happened to ride the trail the day before I was there. He got delayed.


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Old 11-16-22, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Yan View Post
I tried to get a campsite last month in NY state and it was the same thing. Absolutely insane. I ended up just camping in some random bushes instead.
That's what we always did when I was a kid in upstate NY in the 70s. I gather it's much less accepted now.
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Old 11-16-22, 09:01 PM
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When I was camping on my moto, by far the worst deal for a tent site was the KOA by the west entrance of Yosemite
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I thought Europe was expensive, but their campgrounds have water parks, numerous sports, multiple restaurants...
One would think a patch of grass in the woods would be the most economical to camp
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Old 11-17-22, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MarcusT View Post
I thought Europe was expensive, but their campgrounds have water parks, numerous sports, multiple restaurants...
One would think a patch of grass in the woods would be the most economical to camp
Some expensive US campgrounds have those amenities. For example, I can think of at least three I’ve stayed at that have hot tubs and pools. The KOA in Hill City, SD has a full service restaurant. So does the campground at the end of Rock Creek road in MT.
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Originally Posted by Thulsadoom View Post
There are tons of cheap and free camping in NY.
There are tons of cheap and free camping in NY if you are driving a car or have the freedom to go wherever you want.

If you are on a bike with a fixed destination on a two day weekend tour, you're limited to whatever campgrounds that exist close to where you need to be.

Presumably if the campsite are charging these prices then there must be people paying them. These prices are getting absolutely insane. There is no way I would pay more for a patch of dirt than a motel room.
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Originally Posted by jamawani View Post
It may also be that they just want to keep the riff-raff in tents out.
Without actually have a "No Tents" rule - which lots of private campgrounds now have.
When you drop $350,000 for an RV, you don't want some people in an old Honda with a tent next to you.

I am of a certain vintage where I remember when 90% of the folks camping were tenting.
The people with trailers - and they were called trailers then - had small, sometimes homemade, units.
Now, quite a few state parks have all pull-thru sites with electricity, water & sewer. Sometimes even cable.
And, despite the quiet hours, the generators or at least the ACs run all night.
Not quite sure why they still use the term "camping".

Yes, there are a few public camp sites in the Delaware Water Gap area with moderate rates.
But in places like northern Ohio & Indiana, nearly all of the camping is private, pricey, and packed-in.
The few natural lakes in the lower Midwest have every inch of lakefront lined with summer cottages.
Maybe we should just sell lots on the edge of the Grand Canyon to pay off the national debt, eh?
My Grandmother had an Allegro and nobody called them trailers. Mobile Home, yep, even 45 years ago that's what they were called.
But the area could be called a trailer park. She and my Step-Grandfather would stay at Morris Meadows in Freeland Maryland which was called a Campsite & Park.

Hard to believe there was a TRAILER PARK right off York Road in Timonium into the mid 70's just south of Smyth......
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Old 11-17-22, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Yan View Post
There are tons of cheap and free camping in NY if you are driving a car or have the freedom to go wherever you want.

If you are on a bike with a fixed destination on a two day weekend tour, you're limited to whatever campgrounds that exist close to where you need to be.

Presumably if the campsite are charging these prices then there must be people paying them. These prices are getting absolutely insane. There is no way I would pay more for a patch of dirt than a motel room.
How did people survive without toilet paper?
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Old 11-17-22, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Thulsadoom View Post
How did people survive without toilet paper?
I have toured through Cape Vincent. It is a beautiful area. From your perspective near the Adirondacks, I understand why you hold the belief that campsites are plentiful and cheap. However your experience is not equivalent to everyone's. That's only your experience in your own local area.

The Lower Hudson Valley down here near New York City cannot be compared to where you are by the Canadian border. It is a much denser region. Unfortunately as of 2022, this is how much commercial camp grounds cost anywhere within 100 miles of NYC. If you travel up closer to Albany I'm sure the costs will come down, but that's too far for a weekend bike tour out of New York City.

The OP is talking about the Delaware Water Gap, which is west of NYC on the border between NJ and PA. It is one of the most popular weekend destinations for New Yorkers. Anything anywhere near the City is outrageously priced as of 2022. I assume it's the same for Boston, Philadelphia, etc. The pandemic has apparently caused a surge of interest in the outdoors.

There are cheap state campgrounds down here but the supply is limited and they are all booked out long ago. Unless you plan your camping trips several months ahead, you have essentially zero chance of snagging one of these cheap sites. Personally, scheduling weekend camping trips several months ahead is not something that I can do practically.

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How did people survive without toilet paper?
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Originally Posted by Yan View Post
I have toured through Cape Vincent. It is a beautiful area. From your perspective near the Adirondacks, I understand why you hold the belief that campsites are plentiful and cheap. However your experience is not equivalent to everyone's. That's only your experience in your own local area.
You know where I've been? I must be famous!
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Old 11-17-22, 05:25 PM
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You know where I've been? I must be famous!
On the left side of your posts, under your profile picture, it shows where your location is.
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Old 11-17-22, 06:15 PM
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Just FYI -

The good people of Westport, Oregon produce a large portion of the toilet paper used in the U.S.
Still on 24-hour shifts since the pandemic shortage. Always a demand for toilet paper.

Pic - Wauna Mill from the Cathlamet Ferry on a cold, rainy June day
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Old 11-17-22, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jamawani View Post
Just FYI -

The good people of Westport, Oregon produce a large portion of the toilet paper used in the U.S.
Still on 24-hour shifts since the pandemic shortage. Always a demand for toilet paper.

Pic - Wauna Mill from the Cathlamet Ferry on a cold, rainy June day
That looks a lot like the border between Longview, Washington and Rainier, Oregon, on the Columbia River. That's a steep & long bridge, that takes some real effort to cross. 😉

Back on topic, I never pay to camp, it's just too easy to stealth camp, as has been mentioned. 😎
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On the left side of your posts, under your profile picture, it shows where your location is.
Unless you're on a cell phone. The mobile version of BF doesn't show that, or sigs, or probably lots of stuff. 🙈😉
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In California State Parks $65 is a pretty typical price for a no hookup site. More like $80 for hookups. That would be for typical car camping sites. sites. If you are bike touring, these might be the sites you stop in. Reservations can be made 6 months in advance and are typically sold out then.
Some of the campgrounds (mostly beach ones, I think, but not all) have hiker/biker sites that don't take reservations - first come first serve. I think they are like $8-12 a night. One night limit. These are designed for tourers/through hikers.
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Old 11-18-22, 07:27 AM
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California State Parks - Hearst San Simeon - one of the most popular coastal parks is $35 per tent site & $8 reservation fee.
Hiker/Biker are $5 - $10 depending on the park. Coastal parks are usually more.

California State Parks have been in a 20-year, ongoing budget crisis and struggle with the legislature.
During that period, some parks have been shuttered, others have had reduced services.
I have encountered one park on the Pacific Coast Route where the loop with hiker/biker sites was closed.
As a result, there were no hiker/biker sites. And the first ranger had a "So what?" attitude.
It was only after another ranger intervened that we were given a cancelled regular site.

I would suspect that - post-pandemic - things have only gotten worse in California State Parks.
Which is a shame because California State Parks were, at one time, the best in the world.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post

A guy I know just happened to ride the trail the day before I was there. He got delayed.


Aww, he doesn't look so tough. 😁
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Originally Posted by stardognine View Post
Aww, he doesn't look so tough. 😁
I was told he moved on after a couple of minutes.

Interestingly, when I went to the store at the campground entrance I just happened to meet one of the authors of “Younger Next Year.” He was out for a ride on the trail.
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Well, I'm definitely back in Sacramento. I used the restroom awhile ago, and when I came back out, I startled 5 deer, right by my bicycle. It almost looked like they were waiting for me, lol, or maybe they liked the smell of my dinner, California rolls & inari. 😍 Heck, I woulda shared, but they ran off before I could offer. 😁
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Originally Posted by jamawani View Post
It really, really is tough cycling back east.
Not only is there oodles of traffic -
but it is darn difficult to find any camping.
And when you do it is small and ridiculously expensive.

For ex.
Near Delaware Gap -
https://www.delawarerivercampground.com/tent-campsites/
Driftstone Campground Rates | Camping Rates on the Delaware River

Granted, Spruce Run S.P. is only $25 for out-of-staters.
But state and federal campsites are few and far between.

<<<>>>

"Oh, give me a home where the bufalo roam."
Make that -
"Oh, give me a camp site where the buffalo hitch-hike."
At that insane price I think I would go stealth camping.
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Well, I'm definitely back in Sacramento. I used the restroom awhile ago, and when I came back out, I startled 5 deer, right by my bicycle. It almost looked like they were waiting for me, lol, or maybe they liked the smell of my dinner, California rolls & inari. 😍 Heck, I woulda shared, but they ran off before I could offer. 😁
I saw 4 more yesterday, and finally grabbed a couple decent pics, lol. I posted them in the touring pics thread. ✌️
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