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Schwalbe Marathon Supreme..poof..gone

Old 02-23-23, 09:33 PM
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No tire is perfect, I found the hurricanes to be ok on the road, slower than the supreme 2in and 1.6 in , and while I've ridden those and other slicks on lots of dirt, something like the hurricanes really are worth it on lots of loose stuff.

But everyone's opinion is different, so you just have to try different tires and figure out what you prefer.
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This is a shame as I've happily toured on the Supremes for about 3 years now. Wish I had known this was coming so I could have picked up another pair of 32's.
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On the "you can't find quality 26-inch touring tires anymore" front*, I see Schwalbe offers 14 different models in 1.50/1.60/1.75 widths and Continental offers 7. Panaracer, Vittoria, René Herse... I don't think I'll have to mount Pyramids on the Disc Trucker anytime soon.

*Not that any of the solons here have claimed as much.
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Old 02-24-23, 10:46 AM
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Old 02-28-23, 09:40 PM
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Distressing. Got my first set in 2007, and have been using them ever since (for touring, plus everything else). Several years ago, after bicyclerollingresistance.com showed the Almotion to be even faster, my wife (who needs to eke out every bit of efficiency to help our combined speed) got a set of those, but experience showed that in practice they were still inferior to the Supremes. I suddenly started catching her on every hill we'd coast down, and once we switched her back to the Supremes we got right back to the same speed. Perhaps that was due to the greater width (and consequently, weight) of the Almotions (700x38C vs the 700x35C Supremes), but given that the Almotions don't come in any narrower widths, that still makes them a slower tire. And now the Efficiencies also come in nothing narrower than a 700x38C, so they can hardly be called a proper replacement for the Supremes either. I know Schwalbe is all about "wider is actually better!", and they're probably right, but I'm an old man stuck in my ways, dammit!

Over a year ago when it already seemed like the Supremes were on their way out, we ordered a couple of 700x35Cs through Amazon (the only place that listed them) to be sent to us on the road, but they ended up being even-narrower 700x32Cs. Still put 'em to use on our front wheels though (and noticed no negative result), and then I carried around our two partly-worn 700x35Cs for at least 1000 miles (still have one of them!) to make them last as long as possible. I have a problem!

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Originally Posted by stardognine View Post
I think they missed the sweet spot on sizing, which should be 700x45. 🙁

I'd sure like to see someone make a super tough tire, that lasts a few years worth of serious touring. I'd pay more (within reason), for a little more peace of mind. Going to a less endurable tire, is going the wrong way. 👎
Aha, I see now, that there's a Marathon E-Plus tire, with excellent flat protection, but a little heavier than others. That looks like what I wanted, but didn't ask for properly. 🤔😁
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700x40 Supremes in stock here. £37.


Limited stock 26x2 and 26x1.6 here.


They are a genuine company I have used several times before. Also have a standard website.

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I just ordered 4 26x2 tires from them yesterday.
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Yeap, the Supreme was/is my choice for touring. I've got three, new pairs squirreled away now that they are gone.

On tour in Taiwan
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Schwalbe sure has the caught the Shimano bug about introducing new models. It’s not like the roads are changing every couple years,
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Some good news: I bought a new set of the Marathon Efficiencies for my wife, and after a preliminary test, they aren't slower than the Supremes, and may be a smidge faster (which corroborates the data from bicyclerollingresistance.com)

Previously she had:
Front: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 32-622 (360g)
Rear: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 38-622 (440g)

Front: Schwalbe Marathon Efficiency 40-622 (520g)
Rear: Schwalbe Marathon Efficiency 40-622 (544g)

The "test" was a 43-mile loop under similar conditions and effort levels, mostly on smooth asphalt, some slightly-rough asphalt, and a 15-mile stretch of well-groomed gravel rail trail (the Snoqualmie Valley Trail outside Seattle, WA). It's mostly-flat, but has several 50-100 ft. up-and-downs, and a 200 ft. 4% climb on gravel.

I always ride behind her, and generally when we coast down hills (and I move clear of her draft), the extra weight of me + my bike means that I need to use my brakes to keep from passing her. The first thing I noticed with her new tires was that I could brake less (or not at all) without passing her, suggesting a faster rolling. At a minimum, the Efficiencies didn't roll slower than the Supremes.

This is in startk contrast to our disappointing experience with the Almotions a couple years back (partly inspired by bicyclerollingresistance.com's super-low 17.1 watt measurement vs. 19.1 for the Supremes), where, with the Almotions on her bike, I definitely needed to brake more on the downhills vs. the Supremes. At the time, I attributed it to switching from the narrower 38-622 Supremes to the wider/heavier 40-622 Almotions, but now that the same 38->40 transition with the Efficiencies didn't result in the same downgrade, I'm now pretty sure that we ended up with the Addix-compound Almotions (tested at 19.4 watts) rather than the OneStar version that BRR initially tested.

Our average speed for the 43 miles ended up being 12.75mph with the Efficiencies vs. 12.62mph with the Supremes. It's just one test, and it's not a huge difference, but again, the heavier (by 264g) Efficiencies weren't obviously slower than the Supremes.

And the main reason for trying out the Efficiencies was the hope that their shoulder blocks and extra width/volume would give my learned-to-ride-a-bike-at-age-35 wife more confidence on gravel than the entirely-smooth Supremes. The rail-trail was a bit too smooth to make a great test, but she took an up-and-down section of loose stuff crossing a drainage about twice as fast as her previous two traversals, and made it through an unexpected section of new loose stuff upright that she said she might have lost it on with her old tires. And when I was testing them out myself on some hiking trails, I powered up a 15 foot ~20%-grade rough-gravel hill without any slipping, something I'm pretty sure I couldn't have done on the Supremes. They also felt qualitatively more comfortable over bumps to me (not surprising changing a 32-622 to a 40-622), though I don't have a lot of experience on her bike to be sure.

So getting those extra benefits without any performance loss would be a genuine win. Of course it was just one test on one day, so far from a final conclusion, and we know nothing yet about puncture resistance and durability, but it's at least an encouraging start.
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Originally Posted by Neil G. View Post
Some good news: I bought a new set of the Marathon Efficiencies for my wife, and after a preliminary test, they aren't slower than the Supremes, and may be a smidge faster (which corroborates the data from bicyclerollingresistance.com)

... but it's at least an encouraging start.
Thank you for reporting back on the Efficiencies. This is great to hear. I got the sense from Schwalbe CS that the Efficiency was a "new and improved" version of the Supreme. The Supreme was poor off-road if the dirt/gravel was wet..the Efficiency seems to address that somewhat..for what it is (a road tire rather than primarily an off-road tire).

Good news..thanks!
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