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Bikepacker67 01-12-07 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by onbike 1939
Not really funny at all as it's a religious reqirement for Muslims.


You really gotta wonder about a religion that dictates how one takes a dump...

bentvegan 01-25-07 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Machka
Have you ever actually tried this? I have read similar instructions and thought to myself, OK, that's simple ... and then this year I actually tried it. Here's how it really goes ...

-- Attach something heavy to one end of the rope (i.e. rock, lock, etc.).
-- Look for suitable branch.
-- Discover that the pine trees around your campground all have short, spindly little branches about 20-30 ft above the ground.
-- Knowing that you not only have to have your food in the air to keep it away from the bears, but also away from any surrounding trees because black bears will climb trees and will try to reach the cache, choose the longest, most substantial branch you can find.
-- Lob the heavy end of the rope toward the branch. Miss.
-- Lob the heavy end of the rope toward the branch. Miss badly.
-- Lob the heavy end of the rope toward the branch. Get it caught another branch. Struggle to retrieve it.
-- Lob the heavy end of the rope toward the branch. Miss, again .......... and repeat. Get everyone in the camp to give it a go. Eventually someone will get it over the branch ... but it will be too close to the tree. Pull it down.
-- Lob the heavy end of rope toward the branch .....
-- When you finally get the rope over the most suitable part of the branch - high enough and far enough out from all surrounding trees ...
-- Tie the bag full of food, shampoo, soap, toothpaste, gatorade, and anything that remotely has a "nice" smell to it to the other end of the rope.
-- Start to haul it up.
-- Leap out of the way when the branch breaks because it was too spindly, or the bag of stuff was too heavy, or both.
-- Divide the stuff up into two bags.
-- Find a second rope.
-- Repeat from beginning, hoping that this time the branches you have chosen will hold.

This can be an entire evening's entertainment!! :D

One night while doing the above in Algonquin Park, it got dark before I managed to get the rope over a viable branch. Defeated, I remembered what I had read in Ray Jardine's book on hiking the PCT. I simply walked 50m off the hiking trail/bear path, found a spot with no obvious animal paths, and dropped my bag on the ground. I'm sure the local bear/raccoon/chipmunk thoroughly inspected my site for hanging food bags, but they never found the one laying on the ground just 50m away.

Hocam 02-06-07 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
You really gotta wonder about a religion that dictates how one takes a dump...

After several conversations with Turks in Turkey I actually wonder why it is we use paper. Don't kid yourself, waters actually a lot cleaner providing you wash your hands afterwards.

Cave 02-20-07 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
You really gotta wonder about a religion that dictates how one takes a dump...

It dosen't, it just says you have to wash your face, hands, feet, bum and genitals before praying - so, they do it while at the toilet.

What do you think the alternative was before pulping rainforests became popular?

Bikepacker67 03-07-07 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by Cave
What do you think the alternative was before pulping rainforests became popular?

You misunderstand... I could care less how one does their "business".
I just bristle at religious dictates. To be perfectly frank, I hold all fundamentalist ideologies in equal contempt.

Whether it be christians that withhold medical treatment for their children because "God" will take care of it, or the moses worshipers that think of themselves as the "Chosen People" or the mohammedans that believe that a ***** women deserved it, and thus should be stoned.

They're equal idiots in my book.

BatOutaHell 03-16-07 10:22 AM

Another parking brake tip:

If you're running newer road caliper (the kind that have the lever on them to loosen the caliper so you can more easily remove the wheel), you can adjust the cable on the brakes as usual, but with the lever in the open, loose position, and then flip the lever to tighten the brake to use it as a parking brake. Very simple and easy to use. More of a theft deterrent than the velcro trick, as it's mechanically obvious what is causing the bike not to move in the latter case. When it's the brake itself, it's much less obvious (in fact, i often still fool myself). Still, you should just be using a lock if you're interested in theft deterrence. Working as a messenger, i've used this trick as a backup when i forgot my lock at the hang-out spot or whatever.

The obvious side-effect, of course, is that it's harder to remove the wheel, unless you're running thin road tires (unlikely on a tour). The other thing is that your wheel has to be totally true, or you won't be able to tighten the brake adjustment enough for the lever to actually stop the wheel. It works best on the front.

FidelCastrovich 04-12-07 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
You misunderstand... I could care less how one does their "business".
I just bristle at religious dictates. To be perfectly frank, I hold all fundamentalist ideologies in equal contempt.

Whether it be christians that withhold medical treatment for their children because "God" will take care of it, or the moses worshipers that think of themselves as the "Chosen People" or the mohammedans that believe that a ***** women deserved it, and thus should be stoned.

They're equal idiots in my book.


Have to step in here.
While i dislike fundamentalists equally as well, i think your judgement stems from insufficient knowledge of the religions. Muslims don't believe a ***** woman deserved it, the chosen people mostly see themselves as the "choosing" people, and the Christians...Well, can't help you there, but determinists are not hard to find in any religion and people.

As for religious dictates - they may seem funny before you take the time to understand them, but once they're explained, you realize that there's very simple, practical, human-oriented logic behind them.
Islam doesn't tell you to wash your bum with water. It tells you to do so 5 times a day (number of prayers), so that you remain clean and not die at the age of 22 from infections. The fact that they took it too literally and haven't updated the directive to just plain "wash your hands after wiping your bum" is a different matter.
Disclaimer - i do not believe in God, my father is Jewish and my mother a Shi'ite Muslim. I've just recently begun to look into Judaism, and realized that it's not a stupid as it looks from the outside.

And so as not to hijack the thread - When touring with a slower, weaker partner who is drafting you in windy conditions, tie a plastic bag to the tip of your handlebar, tear open the closed end to allow air flow, and voila, no more guessing as to where it's most efficient to be drafting from.

markwayne 04-15-07 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
You misunderstand... I could care less how one does their "business".
I just bristle at religious dictates. To be perfectly frank, I hold all fundamentalist ideologies in equal contempt. Whether it be christians that withhold medical treatment for their children because "God" will take care of it, or the moses worshipers that think of themselves as the "Chosen People" or the mohammedans that believe that a ***** women deserved it, and thus should be stoned. They're equal idiots in my book.

I really don't think it's productive to hijack a thread and use it as a pulpit for spewing out uninformed anti-religious bigotry. These are bike forums, after all.

I don't agree with the Islamic fundamentlists on most issues either, but you're highlighting one particular point of belief (medical treatment, chosen people, ****), twisting it slightly and misleading readers to the conclusion that all such religious belief is invalid and followers are condemned as
"idiots" in "your book". Glad most of the major religions in the world aren't based on "your book". ;)

Bike touring is about enjoying life, nature, and people. If one's thinking is so distorted that they have nothing but "contempt" for people of differing views, one might want to re-think their desire to tour on a bicycle, at least beyond the confines of their own city or town. One of the joys of touring is the experience of diversity in life, nature and.... people. :)

stokell 04-15-07 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by ibimus
Here's a silly question...what do you do with the box at the airport? I mean, you obviously don't haul it around the country. Can you buy bike boxes at airports?

Wow!
An on-topic question. I'm going to try to ignore it and post some hate message.

Sorry, can't do it.

As to the box question: Be warned there are two trains of thought on this one in this forum. One says you buy some expensive box and then either pay to store it or send it by FedEx. Either way you are spending money for nought and have to return from the same portal. You can probably tell I don't subscribe to that.

I ride my bike to the airport, turn the handles, lower the tire pressure and remove the pedals. I bungee the front wheel to the frame (to keep it from turning) and stuff it into a heavy plastic bag I have purchased from the airline for the princely sum of $5.

At the other end, I retrieve my bike, tear it out of the bag, turn the bars, pump up the tires and replace the pedals and bike away. Sometimes I just roll it onto a train. Europeans are funny that way, they have train stations at airports.

Some people think this is crazy, but that's the way I do it and it works. I can start out at one place and leave from another and never even pay for a hotel if I don't want to.

Oh, and one more thing. Some forum members complain about baggage handlers from certain airlines. In my part of the world it is the airport who highers the baggage handlers, not the airlines. The airlines are merely stuck with the choice the airport authority makes. Some are competent, some are crooks. Sadly the airline can't do much about it and the airline authorities often choose not to.

ibimus 04-23-07 11:01 PM

Just in a bag? And the front wheel stays on? never heard of that method, but I like it! (I'm very good at taking things apart, and absolutely horrible at putting them back together again.)
Thank you very much! That saves me a lot of grief!

And, to just keep on with these questions, who do I ask about the plastic bag? The people at the ticket counter, security.....?

And I guess I'd have to figure out what to do with my luggage. I'm thinking of taking a trailer instead of panniers....I suppose the trailer could go through as is, and the box which holds my things (tent, clothes and the like) could also go through just as it is. Any experience with trailers and containers?

stokell 04-24-07 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by ibimus
Just in a bag? And the front wheel stays on? never heard of that method, but I like it! (I'm very good at taking things apart, and absolutely horrible at putting them back together again.)
Thank you very much! That saves me a lot of grief!

And, to just keep on with these questions, who do I ask about the plastic bag? The people at the ticket counter, security.....?

And I guess I'd have to figure out what to do with my luggage. I'm thinking of taking a trailer instead of panniers....I suppose the trailer could go through as is, and the box which holds my things (tent, clothes and the like) could also go through just as it is. Any experience with trailers and containers?

Air Transat will sell you a bike bag for $5. I buy two, one for the return flight.

Also, what airlines publish on their websites and what employees seem to think are the rules vary greatly. I suggest a print-out from the website to end any disagreements.

Check with your airline about rules surrounding bikes et al. I'm allowed a free bike in a bag and 20 kgs of camping gear. The trailer may qualify as camping equipment. Again, each airline seems to have diiferent policies.

Doni 05-03-07 05:58 AM

im down with the sarong, but im not sure how its going to go over ass i pass thourgh South Dakota.

cyccommute 05-18-07 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Doni
im down with the sarong, but im not sure how its going to go over ass i pass thourgh South Dakota.

It should go over just like it did in the neighboring states unless you are expecting said kester to get bigger when you cross the border. Bee sting? Bug bite? More muscles because of hill climbing? Generally larger gluts in South Dakota?

I'm sorry, that was just too easy:D

awc380 05-25-07 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by stokell
Wow!
An on-topic question. I'm going to try to ignore it and post some hate message.

Sorry, can't do it.

As to the box question: Be warned there are two trains of thought on this one in this forum. One says you buy some expensive box and then either pay to store it or send it by FedEx. Either way you are spending money for nought and have to return from the same portal. You can probably tell I don't subscribe to that.

I ride my bike to the airport, turn the handles, lower the tire pressure and remove the pedals. I bungee the front wheel to the frame (to keep it from turning) and stuff it into a heavy plastic bag I have purchased from the airline for the princely sum of $5.

At the other end, I retrieve my bike, tear it out of the bag, turn the bars, pump up the tires and replace the pedals and bike away. Sometimes I just roll it onto a train. Europeans are funny that way, they have train stations at airports.

Some people think this is crazy, but that's the way I do it and it works. I can start out at one place and leave from another and never even pay for a hotel if I don't want to.

Oh, and one more thing. Some forum members complain about baggage handlers from certain airlines. In my part of the world it is the airport who highers the baggage handlers, not the airlines. The airlines are merely stuck with the choice the airport authority makes. Some are competent, some are crooks. Sadly the airline can't do much about it and the airline authorities often choose not to.

+1 For the 'disposable box' side of the argument. I fly there with a cardboard box I get from any bike shop, leave that box in the airport, and have a devil of a time finding another one in the town/city that I'm departing from, but it always seems to work out. Also, as long as you're not leaving everything up to the last minute, if you can't find a bike box, go scavenging for any large cardboard boxes - making your own box out of a few others isn't too hard.

Burningman 06-04-07 08:08 AM

Airlines have bags,Bus lines have boxes....Go to Greyhound parcel delivery Dept...they have boxes there

rama_five 06-04-07 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by Machka
A sarong is a wonderful thing! It is small and light so it doesn't take up much room or add to the weight of the load very much and yet ... it can be used as a piece of clothing, as a pillow, as a blanket, and as a towel. It's very versatile!

One other great use of a sarong is a mini shower stall --- In South East Asia you'll see everyone from road crews to farmers to taxi drivers taking their noon wash-ups in the nearest stream wearing these things - modesty is preserved, everyone gets clean and the light cotton things dry in no time by just wringing out the "skirt" by hand while you are wearing it.;)

Bikepacker67 06-16-07 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by rama_five
In South East Asia you'll see everyone from road crews to farmers to taxi drivers taking their noon wash-ups in the nearest stream wearing these things - modesty is preserved, everyone gets clean...


Well, I guess 'clean' is a relative term.
:D

SoonerLater 07-10-07 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by gregw
It's not a hobble, the technical name is "A front tire holder thingie" just for the record. Here is my one handed model.
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journ...e_id=9172&v=4n

Greg,

In your pics at crazyguyonbike,

-- How did you attach your review mirror?
-- Where did you find that cargo box?
-- What is holding your iPod?
-- Who made your handlebar bag?

gregw 07-10-07 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by SoonerLater
Greg,

In your pics at crazyguyonbike,

-- How did you attach your review mirror? http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=6700
-- Where did you find that cargo box?This is a plastic ammo box that I got at a local sporting goods store, it did not have a brand name on it.
-- What is holding your iPod?Velcro is your friend
-- Who made your handlebar bag?

It's a Serratus.

pikeymick 07-15-07 03:13 PM

Bike Box
 
The easiest way to get a bike box is to just grab one out of the dumpster. I was always amazed when i worked at the bike shop, we'd charge people for abox they could have grabbed out of recycling for free!

gophers 07-20-07 09:06 AM

Just get warm water out of the faucet for your oatmeal, I have toured plenty and one thing that I am not is picky when it comes to food on a tour.

mattygobatty 07-24-07 06:25 PM

[QUOTE= always bring some antibiotic ointment with you.

David in PA[/QUOTE]

zinc oxide, or the stuff that life guards put on their noses, is both an antibiotic or can double as a sunscreen, especially for burned/exposed areas. I love the double use of this stuff, and a little tube of it always sits in my gear.

I always carry a sarong too. It has multiple uses - towel, a ground cloth, a sheet. In the desert I wet it and wrap it around me to keep me cool. If its cold, I shove it in my pants, shirt, or jacket to provide extra insulation. I throw it over my shoulders or over my head (secured with a bandana) to wear a-la Saudi headress style for some sun protection. Do I look like an idiot? Yeah, probably for about two seconds, but then again that might be due to my long lean frame and an occasional beard that might make me look a little like Osama. Oh, and then it can always be used as a fashionable wrap. Can anyone say "toga!?"

Machka 07-29-07 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by pikeymick (Post 4858741)
The easiest way to get a bike box is to just grab one out of the dumpster. I was always amazed when i worked at the bike shop, we'd charge people for abox they could have grabbed out of recycling for free!

Most bicycle shops I've encountered just give me a box when I go in and ask. The only places that charge are airports.

~Stuart~ 07-30-07 04:36 PM

one trick i cant seem to find in the forums is, how to weight the bike


like are front paniers(sp?) needed? do you run like 20% weight front and 80% back? or 50%50% or 60%40% or 40%60%?


help would be awsome (wanna know if i need front paniers for my bike trip, or if i can just pile everything on the back and hope for the best)

JoeLonghair 07-31-07 02:27 AM

Good question, I also need to know this as I always use to use only the rear bags as I never carried more than 15 kg. As I got fitter more spokes broke as I hit bumps on the road at a higher speed. I am now going to ride Venice to London over the Alps and want to spread the load as I can imagine climbing all day and having all the load on the rear will be hampering my climb. So what is the ratio ?? 40 to 60% on the rear I suspect but would appreciate the stats from some one who has tried and tested this...

Teme 07-31-07 02:40 AM

I used to have only rear panniers. When going up to the hill it make riding very uncomfortable. Last year I divided the weight about 30% to front and 70% to back. The going was much more comfortable and stabile.At the front you really have to make sure that both sides has equaly weight. Otherwise you need too much strength to go straight.

kipibenkipod 08-02-07 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by JoeLonghair (Post 3235284)
Have dirolites at the end of a long journey when touring. It restores the chemicals in the brain to ensure conectivity in the thinking procesess. You wont have that delay in the brain when you walk into the shop thinking what have I come in here for bit...

Well, google don't know what is dirolites. So what is it?

~Stuart~ 08-02-07 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by kipibenkipod (Post 4989356)
Well, google don't know what is dirolites. So what is it?



its a notepad that you can write your shopping list on :p:D:D:D

kipibenkipod 08-03-07 01:59 AM


Originally Posted by ~Stuart~ (Post 4991316)
its a notepad that you can write your shopping list on :p:D:D:D

ROFL
I thought they were some sort of pills ;)

JoeLonghair 08-03-07 02:50 AM

Yes they are some sort of pills. Minerals that get flushed out of the system, on tours, we drink plenty, sweat and pedal plenty. At the end of the day the minerals get flushed out of the system and those minerals are needed in the chemicals in the brain to ensure connection with the part that decides what needs to be done to achieve something and putting it into motion. A friend of mine who was in the special forces tipped me off with this as after a long day of carrying their heavy packs running around etc. having these pills made a difference between life or death for them. In their position they could not afford to be in vacant position in their heads. I tried this and it made a world of difference, for many years when I use to think I had a bit of a sunstroke, after telling my friend this story he put me right and since then I never suffered .

I do not know in your country what they call this but any good chemist will tell you. Normally this is prescribe to people who have had chronic diarrhoea, where all their body fluids have been constantly been flushed out. They are given Imoudioum for the diarrhoea and the Dioralyte to restore the minerals in the body. Hope this helps... it is really worth having if you tour hard in the sun.

Sorry folks its my spelling no wonder google did not come up with anything. This is how it is spelled: Dioralyte, google this it comes up with whats it about...


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