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Paul_P 06-25-24 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN (Post 23277506)
Her Tubus front rack had been repaired several times. That model was no longer produced, so she kept getting it repaired instead. That rack was designed to reduce unsprung weight.

Interesting rack, gets around the complication of mounting to a suspension fork. I wonder if unsprung weight is much of an issue when common touring wisdom recommends a rigid fork making everything unsprung.

I like my suspension fork - and the fact that it's a cheap one (just two coils) makes it about impossible to break.

The bike looks similar to mine, could it be a cheap Specialized ?

I only dream of going on a very long tour, for now...

Tourist in MSN 06-25-24 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Paul_P (Post 23277892)
...
The bike looks similar to mine, could it be a cheap Specialized ?
...

I was curious, but could not find a label that was not covered with stickers. I met her in 2014 in year 7 of her long tour, so the bike would be from 2007 or earlier, probably bought in South Africa.

Roughstuff 06-27-24 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Yan (Post 23277195)
Guiness World Records has a standardized criteria for what constitutes cycling "around the world".

of course, Guinness has to have a standard criteria otherwise they would not really be able to authoritatively state that a world tour had taken place or not. But as far as I’m concerned around the world tour doesn’t have to mean go to every single continent see every single square mile, etc. My world tour started in Alaska and finished in southern South America, I flew to Portugal and went across Europe, the Middle East and Asia to the Korean peninsula through China. To me that’s a world tour OK. Oddly enough, I really did want to do some cycling in Africa, but I was afraid I would get malaria. As it turns out, I got malaria anyway! The main reason I did not do Africa, however, is I wanted the bicycle tour to be two years in length not three.

Roughstuff 06-27-24 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by djb (Post 23273122)
salut le belge,
. I personally wouldn't have wanted to do it alone.

.

i’m the exact opposite, I usually recommend to people who are touring that they travel alone. It is a lot easier to meet strangers when you are solitary, and you have a lot of time for reflection and self analysis of what you just went through over the course of a day or over a longer period of time. When I was planning my world tour, I thought about having somebody come along and they’re really were only two people who I knew who would have any chance at all of enjoying the experience. So I went by myself. It made the experience unforgettable.

Roughstuff 06-27-24 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Paul_P (Post 2327789)

I only dream of going on a very long tour, for now...

a dream is a good start.

mev 06-27-24 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Roughstuff (Post 23279843)
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i’m the exact opposite, I usually recommend to people who are touring that they travel alone. It is a lot easier to meet strangers when you are solitary, and you have a lot of time for reflection and self analysis of what you just went through over the course of a day or over a longer period of time.

I have done a mixture of both. A nice thing on an extended tour is that it offers the possibilities of doing different things, e.g. in 2007 I did:
- A solo set of riding through Texas (one month)
- A ride from Amsterdam to Vladivostok (six months); to St Petersburg was solo and across Russia was with Dutch and English speaking cyclist
- A ride across China with TDA group of ~30+ (two months)
- A solo ride across Thailand (one month)

When I went from one phase to another, I enjoyed the contrasts. For example cycling with someone else through Russia took some adjustment because she was faster than me. Other than ~10 days where we lost each other, we camped in same place each night and generally traveled separately during the day. My brother also came to make it a trio for a few weeks. After cycling with one person I was happy to be in a group for a while in China and then just as happy to be solo in Thailand.

Everything else being the same:
- In English speaking countries I prefer cycling solo where I can interact more with locals
- In non-English (and non-Dutch) speaking countries, it is nice to cycle with someone else - both to problem-solve and to have more significant conversations than the "where are you from, where are you going" sequence I get very good at in whatever language
- If things are more complex with borders/visas or related logistics such as for me Africa or China then at least for a while I appreciate a group for trading off logistical help vs. independence
- After a while in one mode, then it is also nice to switch. An extended trip makes it easier to have such phases in different areas

I'm sure others are wired differently...

Aesr 07-04-24 03:42 PM

Sorry for the late reaction, it was exam season :twitchy:

To Yan:
Quite the experience indeed! I am weirdly quite looking forward to the experience, as it seems rather unique. Not sure if it is enjoyable, but I always read positive feedback over the attitude of the police towards cyclists when doing my research, so... to follow!

You may be tempted to ride directly from Chengdu to Xining, and then on to Zhangye. I would recommend against this because it is an absolute beast of a route that will wreck you. And also because you would be missing out on some very interesting areas on the historical silk road. Stick to the silk road route.
I was indeed not planning on cutting short but on following the route you adviced on. However, after Xining, I was planning on going to the Ili prefecture. This means following your blue route to Jiuquan, but then following the G30 to Hami, and then go to Urumqui to then join the Ili Prefecture. This route seemed to cross the least sensitive regions. Does it seem okay, or would it be better to continue following your blue route after Jiuquan until the G218, and then join the Ili prefecture through the Bayingolin Mongol prefecture?

To Tourist in MSN:

Every round the world traveler that I have met had four panniers on their bike if they were camping. [...] Or, if not a front rack, something like a Anything Cage that uses the three bolt pattern.
You are right, during my research I also found that most travelers used four panniers. I do think it will be fine to only use two, but time will tell :) I did, however, change my plan slightly and will indeed use anything cages to carry my cooking apparel (to avoid getting the inside of my bag dirty) and my tent (for storage space purposes), as I have those anyway from my bikepacking trips. It would be a waste to not use them :)

To Axolotl:

For shipping on the airplane, I put my panniers, handlebar bag, & helmet in a lightweight nylon duffel bag which I could later roll up and put in the bottom of one of my panniers. That way I had 2 pieces of checked luggage for the airplane: my bike and the duffel bag.
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Thank you! This confirms that it is indeed possible :) And a great Idea as well to use a lighweight rollable bag. I was thinking about using a disposable, but you had a better idea. A duffel bag can also always be used later on, if necessary. Thanks for the advice!

To mev:

Agree those definitions can get fuzzy. They may not completely matter unless for example you are trying to set some type of record. It seems Guinness has created their definition for people trying to set a Guinness record
These guidelines were indeed the ones I intended to follow. I am not that strict on myself, so if I break something and hitchhike a few dozen miles to get to the closest city, I do not plan on hitchhiking back (^u^;)

to Tourist in MSN (again):
Seems like quite the encounter! Especially fan of the stickers, if I may be so honest :))

To Roughtstuff and mev:
I will get to know both, and will be able to judge afterwards the one who is right afterwards xp
More seriously, I think I agree with mev that neither is better than the other. Each has its advantages and inconveniences.

I think I caught up will all the replies. Once again for all of your help and I must admit I am looking forward to it more than ever now!

Machka 07-12-24 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN (Post 23276949)
Every round the world traveler that I have met had four panniers on their bike if they were camping.

Machka and Rowan were the only exceptions to the four pannier norm that I can think of, if I recall they had some giant rear panners and no front panniers on their round the world trip. But, I do not recall if they were camping on that trip or always sleeping indoors.

When you go bike shopping, I suggest getting one that has the fittings you need on the front fork to install a front rack later for panniers if you decide later that you need the extra volume capacity. Or, if not a front rack, something like a Anything Cage that uses the three bolt pattern.


Like so ... :)

https://live.staticflickr.com/8164/7...40bc3988_c.jpg

Aesr 07-12-24 03:03 PM

Yup, that seems like a fully loaded rig to me :))

I would have slightly smaller panniers but with a framebag instead.

Are those yours?

Machka 07-15-24 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Aesr (Post 23294104)
Yup, that seems like a fully loaded rig to me :))

I would have slightly smaller panniers but with a framebag instead.

Are those yours?

Yes ... we travelled to various locations around the world for 8 months in 2012 with that setup, starting in Victoria, Australia where we lived.

We did a combination of camping and staying indoors ... turned out to be one of the wettest years in the UK! Our camping plans went out the window there.

mev 09-12-24 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by Pearson100 (Post 23271739)
Have you heard of endurance cyclist Lael Wilcox? She is attempting a record in cycling around the world. You might look at her route to get ideas:
https://www.cyclingabout.com/exact-r...-world-record/
In particular, she is cycling across some of the countries you mentioned (Turkey, etc.)

Look her up on Strava to find details on her daily rides. Plus, she has a podcast that is interesting: https://www.laelwilcox.net/podcast

Sounds like you will have an awesome trip. Have fun!

For what it is worth, Lael Wilcox finished yesterday in Chicago - https://bikepacking.com/news/lael-wi...ld-record-set/

Tip of the helmet to her for the accomplishment. Her podcast was well put together and interesting to follow.

The rate she traveled was much more per day than I tour (her travels of ~29,000km in 108 days vs my longest journey of ~27,500km in 365 days is 3.5x faster on average). So also a different type of trip.

While I think one might learn some from her routing I also would avoid some areas based on her descriptions. In particular parts of Adventure Cycling Route 66 on I-40 that appeared to have a lot of debris and accounts of some tunnels in Turkey.

tcs 09-12-24 11:20 AM

The bragging rights* world cycletour has become Trondheim to Cape Town then Ushuaia to Anchorage then Tokyo to Cabo de Roca.


I've imagined a 'round the world cycle tour @ ~33.5ºS: Santiago to Montevideo + Cape Town to Durban + Perth to Sydney. ;)




*If you're into that sort of thing. :)

tcs 09-12-24 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Tourist in MSN (Post 23276949)
Every round the world traveler that I have met had four panniers on their bike if they were camping.

Nods.

Josh Reid's front panniers + seat bag trans-Eurasia seemed a bit hair-shirt, although to his credit he wears a big smile much of the time. Ah, to be young!


Yan 09-15-24 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by mev (Post 23346873)
For what it is worth, Lael Wilcox finished yesterday in Chicago - https://bikepacking.com/news/lael-wi...ld-record-set/

Tip of the helmet to her for the accomplishment. Her podcast was well put together and interesting to follow.

The rate she traveled was much more per day than I tour (her travels of ~29,000km in 108 days vs my longest journey of ~27,500km in 365 days is 3.5x faster on average). So also a different type of trip.

While I think one might learn some from her routing I also would avoid some areas based on her descriptions. In particular parts of Adventure Cycling Route 66 on I-40 that appeared to have a lot of debris and accounts of some tunnels in Turkey.

I did a 2.5km tunnel in Turkey yesterday. This is what they look like. Two lanes per direction with a little platform on the side that is wide enough to ride on. The other direction has its own separate tunnel. Pretty good in my opinion.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7f8aef6e82.jpg

djb 09-15-24 12:18 PM

Ya, I've done some tunnels like that and they were fine. I have gone through some short ones with no sidewalky thing, poor ventilation and they weren't great, but luckily could wait for a lull in traffic and get through most before a car came.
Touch wood touch wood all ended fine.

str 09-15-24 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Yan (Post 23349546)
I did a 2.5km tunnel in Turkey yesterday. This is what they look like. Two lanes per direction with a little platform on the side that is wide enough to ride on. The other direction has its own separate tunnel. Pretty good in my opinion.

Was that planed on a paper map? 🤭

sorry ;)))

djb 09-15-24 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by str (Post 23349562)
Was that planed on a paper map? 🤭

sorry ;)))

Chuckle
That's the great thing nowadays, it's usually doable to find out online how specific situations like this can be, researching ones route.
This photo a good example

str 09-15-24 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Machka (Post 23293511)

definitely go for wider tires.... these do not look comfortable at all.

str 09-15-24 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Aesr (Post 23294104)
Yup, that seems like a fully loaded rig to me :))

I would have slightly smaller panniers but with a framebag instead.

Are those yours?

much smaller panniers, 15L ;) and in the front. yes, a frame bag and a saddle bag. if needed 8- 10L mini panniers in the back.
with these ultra big all household panniers in the back the bikes controls you, not you the bike. ;)

Tourist in MSN 09-15-24 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by tcs (Post 23347126)
Nods.

Josh Reid's front panniers + seat bag trans-Eurasia seemed a bit hair-shirt, although to his credit he wears a big smile much of the time. Ah, to be young!
...

On my tour this past June, I met a fellow from asia doing an around the world tour. We crossed paths in Niagara, Ontario. Photo below, his bike is in the middle of the photo, disregard the part of bike on the left which is mine.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6df1a76023.jpg

I think he had more weight on his front tire than rear. An odd mix, Ostritch brand luggage up front, an Ortlieb Rack Pack on rear.

I will never understand why some people prefer friction downtube shifters for both front and rear like he had.

I am using friction downtube for the front on my rando bike, but on that bike I have a brifter for the rear. Less than 15 percent of my gear shifts involve the front. The first time I rode a derailleur bike with an indexed rear shifter, I knew I was never going back to friction on the rear.

djb 09-15-24 03:04 PM

Very curious and odd that his rear rack appears to be a type that doesn't have vertical supports going down to the rear hub area.
Strange choice.

And hey, re friction rear, whatever floats your boat I guess, but unless it's for using a Frankenstein setup and friction is the only thing that works, I dont get it also--but we grew up using it and realized how much easier and robust indexing was about 40 years ago.

Yan 09-15-24 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by str (Post 23349562)
Was that planed on a paper map? 🤭

sorry ;)))

I use Brouter.de for routing and Google Streetview to verify conditions. Tried them all over the last 16 months of touring. This is the best across all countries. I met a bunch of guys using paid Komoot and they all had inferior routes to Brouter.

str 09-15-24 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by Yan (Post 23349936)
I use Brouter.de for routing and Google Streetview to verify conditions. Tried them all over the last 16 months of touring. This is the best across all countries. I met a bunch of guys using paid Komoot and they all had inferior routes to Brouter.

great! but that road does not look very inviting. maybe google street view faild.

Yan 09-16-24 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by str (Post 23349978)
great! but that road does not look very inviting. maybe google street view faild.

This tunnel is a new road which bypasses a 1000 ft climb on the old road.

You can choose either alternative. Go left to take the tunnel. Go right to climb the old mountain pass. Personal preference.

Actually funny enough, I met a German cyclist after I got out of the tunnel, who had just finished coming over the old road, and he was b*tching up a storm about what a pain the climb was. He wasn't too pleased when I told him how easy the tunnel was. He was using Komoot.

LOL.

mev 09-16-24 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by Yan (Post 23349546)
I did a 2.5km tunnel in Turkey yesterday. This is what they look like. Two lanes per direction with a little platform on the side that is wide enough to ride on. The other direction has its own separate tunnel. Pretty good in my opinion.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7f8aef6e82.jpg

Your account definitely more positive than what Lael accounted for here in her blog: https://www.laelwilcox.net/podcast/e...o-grele-turkey I think part of the difference is that the path was rough in the 4km tunnel she went through.


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