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Isn't it a fantastic idea? I can think of a couple of advantages:
A stock 520 weighs 11.5kg. Add front rack and panniers, you get 13kg. Let's make the velomobile 33kg. Although it weighs 2.5x more, you have to consider the total working weight, which is 105 for 520 and 125kg for velo. Now it only weighs 19% more. Now I'll throw in some random number. The ratio of increasing effort to increasing weight on a vehicle on wheels, accounting only bearing, rolling resistance and tyre-road friction on flat terrain (let's call this drag A), is 1% for every 1% weight increased. That is, if you add 1kg more onto a 520, it will take you 99km instead of 100km in the day. Since velo package weighs 19% more, we'll say it's 20% more effort to get through drag A. Now, take a typical long distance tour, cross USA, and the most efficient direction, west to east. This way, you'll start off with lots of hills, and gradually move into flatter terrain. Your legs take the most punishment in the beginning, having to climb hills on something that is 20% more effort to climb on. Let's say (again pulling numbers out of my ass) 5% grade takes 10% more effort, and 15% grade 40%. Let's say the average climbing grade in the beginning is 10%, descending in the same rate after the peak, and finally flat for 4 times the distance. We'll make effort to climb 10% something high, like 30%. We also need to know how much more effort is required for every percentage of weight increase when pulling it up a grade. So let's just some everything up to assume that 20% more effort on drag (A) translates to 40% more effort to climb in a velo. Velo looks very bad so far. But we have something Velo shines on - aerodynamic efficiency. Since our cyclist is going from west to east, she'll expect nice tailwinds most of the time. The average winds are 15kph SW (depending on where it is), which makes 11Kph W effective (15 x cos(45)). However, from my experience for every 3 days of tailwinds, we can expect 2 days of headwinds. At 11Kph, on a usual cruise speed of 25Kph, a headwind slows me to 21Kph but propels me to 32Kph as tailwind. Assuming a velo is 40% more efficient, with the same effort headwind slows her to 31Kph ((21-25)/25 * (1-.4) * 35) but propels her to 47Kph ((1 + (32-25)/25) * 35 = 45; add 2 just for fun) as tailwind. During the 5 days she cycled 6 hours on tailwind days and 3 hours on headwind days (she hates headwinds), covering 768km. On a velo, she would've covered 1032km. That makes the Velo 34% better at winds than a conventional bike, on flat terrain. And, the descent. Assuming a similar 12% grade, she'll cycle up to 28Kph, but on a velo it reaches 39Kph (28/25 * 35). Here we see that velo is 39% more efficient on descents. Finally, we'll add this all up. Ms. Tourist sets out on a journey that has 6 parts: 1 ascent, 1 descent, 4 flat. There are no winds during the ascent/descent stage, 11Kph average and using the 3 tailwind/2 headwind model on flat. We add some time weight in here to make it 2 : 0.8 : 4, the rational being you're half your usual speed climbing 12% grade. This ratio translates to 1 month climbing, 2 weeks descending, and 2 months on flat. So, velo:normal bike will be: ((1-0.4 [climb effort] ) ^ 2) * (1.39 [descent efficiency] ^ 0.8) * (1.34 [flat efficiency] ^ 4) = 1.29 That is, it's actually 29% more efficient to cycle on a velo given the above sets of conditions. Plotted on a graph, you will see this: http://irqnine.com/images/etc/bf/Vel...%20touring.gif where the red area is 29% larger than the green. OK, at this point I want to say the above could be complete garbage. There is no consideration that some grades are 20%, which could make velos completely immobile, unless we have a 18-13, making its "effort ratio" infinitely more. Or that some days tailwinds will blow you behind at 50Kph, blahblahblah. There are huge fluctuations in all the above measurements, and I tried to generalized them very roughly. An accurate analysis would take groups of mechanical engineers, cartographers and meteorological experts, and most important of all, an actual velo, to complete the study. This is just a discussion on what I've considered when weighing the velo against 520. In that, performance wise, the velo isn't worse than a bike while touring. Which makes point 10 of "disadvantages" weaker, if not eradicated, given that you do a terrain I described. You may completely avoid this debacle, and still decide on a velo, based on the advantages I listed. Lunch time :) |
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Can we have that in haiku form? |
Originally Posted by Matthew A Brown
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Can we have that in haiku form? On the Internet, I found Velo. I wrote. Get a velo, dangnabbit :D |
Nice pic. And you were saying..........?
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It's a good idea, but first of all it's too expensive, and secondly, it's very problematic when it comes to one-lane roads with no shoulder whatsoever. There'll be nowhere to pull over if you're too slow, and the cars cannot overtake you either.
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Originally Posted by Tank Rider
Sure.
On the Internet, I found Velo. I wrote. Get a velo, dangnabbit :D |
well, i think pretty much every one of the points that you covered can be done just as well or better on a bike, but it does have some good things about it. i think it would be ideal for city and town travel...now if we can convince ford and gm and chev to start selling these, or get entire cities to sponsor something like like so everyone in town has one, it would work. it is a little pricey though. it would work very for some people though. now if everyone had one, it would be perfect. haha its kind of like the flintstones lol.
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I don't know if I would want to sleep in it or not. Doesn't look too comfortable to me.
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Some more Disadvantages for touring:
a) One time you are run off the road, it's going to have some damage to the body. And everyone gets run off the road at one time or another while touring. b) Considsation on the inside will probably be a factor. Especially when it rains. Either from the rain itself or your sweat. c) Blind spots?? d) Getting it repaired. Especially if the fiberglass frame gets damaged. I bet it would also take a good time of time to repair the frame. e) Are sounds from the outside muffled in that thing? Having clear sounds is important to safety when riding a bike on the road. f) harassment by local law enforcement on if they are legal or should be licensed because they have no idea what that thing is. g) Having to scrape frost off of it in cold nights. |
has anyone made a velomobile you can actually sleep in it comfortably? for extended touring...
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Hello
Yellow Velo |
Walking dead.
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Fwiw,
Last years Trans America trail self supported race - tour was won by a velomobile rider..
but it was nor so long as to be able to sleep In He still had to figure that out every night... (How you going to get it across an ocean your 12+ foot long pedal powered Airstream ?) ... |
Originally Posted by Tank Rider
(Post 2083666)
Sure.
On the Internet, I found Velo. I wrote. Get a velo, dangnabbit Five syllables first, Followed by seven second, Finishing with five. On the internet I found Velo. I wrote get a Velo, dagnab. *almost* |
It's not quite Easter--/--Close enough for hand grenades--/-- Zombie thread arise!
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I figure this guy is probably still resting up from that typing marathon back in 2006........
at least 2 or 3 times that Ive done a week long supported tour, a guy with a velomobile has participated. This was the only time that I have seen one in person, and have climbed past him on hills, and listened to him whistle past me both on downhills and on straights. they certainly are pretty fricken cool machines, and really damn fast, but no matter Mr Longform typer wrote, they would have all kinds of issues for touring. but again, they are really really neat, and rather fascinating to see in person, cuz lets face it, they are exceedingly rare. If had all the money in the world, I would have one, along with a fatbike and a Pennyfarthing. (at least I have ridden a Pennyfarthing) |
Nice zombie thread.
If I had a long trail or safe road system close by that could facilitate a velo I would consider trying one for fun. The creative side can think of all sorts of applications such as solar. But I wouldn't ride one on a busy road without worrying about getting smoked. |
Interesting question.
If one looks at some of the recumbents, then one might be able to sleep sitting in the seat, especially with the right headrest, but it wouldn't necessarily be comfortable. https://www.icetrikes.co/templates/y...-81966a03.jpeg https://www.icetrikes.co/ An interesting option might be to build one's velomobile like a pop-up camper, or perhaps like a slide-out camper. So, one could expand one side to an extra 2' x 7' side compartment (either on the ground, or an off the ground cot with a stabilizer). So, essentially the bike would instantly convert into a tent. |
Damn it.. now I want a fat trike.
From that website a link to a pretty inspirational interview: https://vimeo.com/218753640?from=outro-embed |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 20883217)
....An interesting option might be to build one's velomobile like a pop-up camper, or perhaps like a slide-out camper.....
https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/g...21-660x438.jpg http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...ike-camper.png |
Originally Posted by saddlesores
(Post 20883719)
something like this???
https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/g...21-660x438.jpg http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...ike-camper.png http://velomobilemedia.com/bilder/black_wawcropped.jpg But, hinge one side so that it would fold out and create a canopy to the side of the bike. |
Best zombie thread I've seen.
I have slept on my recumbent, albeit just a short nap, whilst leaning against a bridge support waiting out a rainstorm. The seat is fine but the legs want to flop over one way or the other. I think eventually I'd want to roll over and sleep on my side, which would be problematic. I just don't think a velo makes a very good tent/cot combo. I think a velo makes a fine touring machine (theoretically), but I'm all about sleeping in post office lobbies and 24-hour laundromats. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c5c3292ae0.jpg |
USA's first velomobile stocking bike shop (according to Bentrideronline): Bicycle Evolution, Plano, Texas
https://www.facebook.com/bicycle.evo...llas/?ref=py_c Have many models. They'll set up test rides for you If visit arranged. |
:foo:
Cars have had steering columns that would move out of the way for quite some time. Perhaps the key would be to design a crankset and drivetrain that could be released, so that the area around one's feet would be completely open. Oh... the possibilities. :foo: Front wheel drive? https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/pr...b7f6217894.jpg Oh, yeah, the tent is up on top. :foo: |
Hi!! I would like to build one, on the base of a 2x1 m loading platform bicycle-trailer for my trip from Basle, BS (Basel Stadt), Switzerland, to Jinan, Shandong, P.R.C.; do you have any tips? Thanks.
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