kipibenkipod

Hi,
Why framebuilders don't build one piece racks and frame?
This I think will make very strong travel rig.

barba

It would probably cost a great deal and cut down on customization options. Plus if you broke your rack you would SOL with your frame. Good racks are plenty strong.

Cave

Some do - vanilla; also argus, I think.

Some UK and French bikes also have brazed-on racks but all the ones I saw were delivery bikes.

NoReg

There is a german company that does it in full suspended and rigid forms. I have seen a number of other attemps. They generally underwelm me. It sounds good but reality intrudes. It's not as though the main bits and pieces are in the same space. So you run the risk of overbuilding if you make the rack bits as strong, and you end up with the likelyhood of a rack that will break and need major surgery if you dont. Why would you ever want your rack to require welding and repainting if it gets tweaked the some way. The answer might be that one doesn't trust those things that were brazed onto the bike for fenders to be up to the job. Good point. They actually do quite well when properly installed for stiff racks, however there are many alternative ways the racks could be attached, just upping the bolt size to 6mm seems to solve problems.

Beyond all that you need to consider that people have as many opinions about racks and bags, as frames so you could never satisfy a decent number of customers. Choose your bags with well informed multi thousand mile certainty, then you can start designing for the rest of it.

skingry

Tout Terrain builds frames that have a built in rear rack. They're really nice frames, but REALLY expensive too.

kipibenkipod

Link: https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/tout-terrain.asp
It looks very interesting.

NoReg

Yeah, that's the one TT. They have their own site, despite the name it's german, or I didn't look to carefully, or remember all that well...

Here it is:https://www.tout-terrain.de/cms/front_content.php

It's certainly interesting, But the ridgid is just like a regular rack welded on, seems about as logical as welding the forks to the axles. OK maybe more like a totally integrated stem/bar unit, great if you are getting it totally custom, inconceivable stock, particularly if it costs more than a beckman rack. There just isn't anythign wrong with blue loctite and proper fastenings.

The shock one may be useful. It moves the load up and down, and how wonderful that is depends on how great your need for a fully suspended bike really is. I have a recumbent that has that kind of system but it is cantilevered. It's OK, but most people on upright bikes don't seem to want full suspension.

If this stuff seems really rad, consider (pros and cons) of it being a comon department store comuter approach in asia...