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Old 03-12-08, 02:21 AM
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Cross Country Touring With Machete

Seriously.

I'm going to do this because I'm going to be stealth camping a lot and want to use it to clear brush but also I figure it is a good way to deter any one who might try to mess with me (Don't worry, I'm not going to hack and slash and ask questions later) but I'm a little worried as I've been hassled plenty of times biking around here. I don't expect to ever have to use it but I'll feel safe knowing it's there just in case. Plus I figure a good thwack of it in its sheath and from the side on the nose will be enough to deter most dogs.

So what's the legality of this? I figure its from a local big box store and I'm obviously camping and "subjecting myself to the wilderness"


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I don't stealth camp, but I thought the whole idea was to camp in a place where no one knows your there and you practice a leave no trace camping policy?
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I am guess this may be a troll, but on the chance that you are serious...
My take on this is:
1. If you are hacking brush you aren't stealth camping.
2. A machete is a rather large heavy object with little utility on the typical bike tour.
3. If you need a machete to "feel safe" you should stay home.
4. A machete is a large enough that it probably wouldn't be concealed. I would think that many would see it as a sign of hostility. I find that being open and friendly is absolutely key to being treated well by the local people. Anything that might be interpreted as hostility undermines that.
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Originally Posted by staehpj1
I am guess this may be a troll, but on the chance that you are serious...
My take on this is:
1. If you are hacking brush you aren't stealth camping.
2. A machete is a rather large heavy object with little utility on the typical bike tour.
3. If you need a machete to "feel safe" you should stay home.
4. A machete is a large enough that it probably wouldn't be concealed. I would think that many would see it as a sign of hostility. I find that being open and friendly is absolutely key to being treated well by the local people. Anything that might be interpreted as hostility undermines that.
I think your first assumption is the right one, Troll.

I should not have replied. If by some odd chance it's not, you pretty much covered all the bases.
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Why not use a Kukri? The Gurkha seem to love them in that three stroke move..........
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Originally Posted by staehpj1
1. If you are hacking brush you aren't stealth camping.
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first, why is asking a question about a camping tool trolling? beats me

Second, thinking of using it as any kind of self defense is a problem, and likely to get you into more trouble then the situation initially warranted. If dogs are a threat Bear spray is probably better, again if you have dogs attaking and they are close enough to smack, you have much bigger problems then a 15 inch stick will solve.

Depending on what you want to spend there are lots of options. and if you spend more you can get a tool that will serve you well for years. A good bushcraft knife will help clear brush, split fire wood, build shelter, and slice food for dinner. Here is a link to a discussion forum for a brand of knife I highly trust, https://knifeforums.com/forums/showforum.php?fid/59/
Bark River will make a knife you can depend on as a tool. If you go back to the main knifeforums page they have other sub forums for ourdoor living and such, lots of good people and good info.

One medium knife or a small and a large camp kife are all you will ever need. I ride with them, but keep them packed as tools for when you need them. I can think of far too many ways that a blade ready to draw, mounted on a bike could become a problem all too fast.
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Originally Posted by rperks
I can think of far too many ways that a blade ready to draw, mounted on a bike could become a problem all too fast.
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Originally Posted by Robbykills
I'm going to do this because I'm going to be stealth camping a lot and want to use it to clear brush but also I figure it is a good way to deter any one who might try to mess with me... but I'm a little worried as I've been hassled plenty of times biking around here.
Keeping in mind that I don't stealth camp and don't usually advocate doing so in the US....

- As others have mentioned, "clearing brush" is not stealth camping. It's destruction of property.
- I don't see how a machete would be much of a deterrent. If someone is going to raid your camp, by the time they see you with the machete, it's already a confrontation.
- While there are legal methods for you to defend yourself, if you're stealth camping you are, at that particular time, trespassing and therefore breaking the law. You may be in for a world of trouble if you trespass and wave a machete at the person who owns the property.
- Some jurisdictions (e.g. Texas, Colorado) have very strict laws about trespassing. I'd at least be aware of the laws in the states you plan to SC.

I do not recommend carrying weapons on tour. But if you insist on having one, and if the local laws allow, I recommend non-lethal devices like pepper spray or a stun gun.
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Old 03-12-08, 08:51 AM
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I never cycle-toured with a machete, but I did hitchhike through the USA with one. It did come in handy when setting up camp on a couple of occasions. It was hard to conceal and I had one guy tell me that I would get more rides if I hid my machete better and even the police that stopped me didn’t think it was odd to have it! The reason I had it in the first place was I was doing some hiking in Central America. When I go canoeing or camping I carry it with me and use it for a number of things. For protection I would say no because most American bad guys carry guns so using a machete against them would be futile. Pepper spray or a handgun would be better protection.
 
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Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
- While there are legal methods for you to defend yourself, if you're stealth camping you are, at that particular time, trespassing and therefore breaking the law. You may be in for a world of trouble if you trespass and wave a machete at the person who owns the property.
I agree with not taking a machete, seems more trouble than good.

Bacciagalupe, why do you think stealth camping is trespassing and illegal? There are many locations where one can stealth camp legally. A lot of parks allow you to camp where you want. You can camp on private land that is unimproved and unused unless the owner tells you that you can't or is posted .

These are general laws, you might want to check with each state and park you are going to camp on the legality of stealth camping.

An example, New York's law is:
Originally Posted by New York State Law
"Enter or remain unlawfully." A person "enters or remains
unlawfully" in or upon premises when he is not licensed or privileged to
do so. A person who, regardless of his intent, enters or remains in or
upon premises which are at the time open to the public does so with
license and privilege unless he defies a lawful order not to enter or
remain, personally communicated to him by the owner of such premises or
other authorized person. A license or privilege to enter or remain in a
building which is only partly open to the public is not a license or
privilege to enter or remain in that part of the building which is not
open to the public. A person who enters or remains upon unimproved and
apparently unused land, which is neither fenced nor otherwise enclosed
in a manner designed to exclude intruders, does so with license and
privilege unless notice against trespass is personally communicated to
him by the owner of such land or other authorized person, or unless such
notice is given by posting in a conspicuous manner. A person who enters
or remains in or about a school building without written permission from
someone authorized to issue such permission or without a legitimate
reason which includes a relationship involving custody of or
responsibility for a pupil or student enrolled in the school or without
legitimate business or a purpose relating to the operation of the school
does so without license and privilege.
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Do yourself a favor. Pack a flamethrower for the brush clearing and an Uzi for the dogs. Sheesh! Troll.
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A camp saw (https://www.rei.com/product/752890) will be much more useful and wouldn't be considered a weapon by the polizei. It's light weight and can be used to clear a branch in the way or saw a log for firewood. It could be used for self-defense in a pinch but I think you'd be better off with pepper spray (https://www.rei.com/product/623173) if that is your concern.
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Leave nothing but footprints, take nothing but photographs. Works for backpacking in wilderness areas, should work well for cycling and stealth camping. Hacking out a campsite with a machete is a bit extreme to my way of thinking. Stealth implies in and out without a trace and without being noticed. YMMV.
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Dude............... never mind, you're lost cause. Hack your way across the country.
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Have you though about taking a hatchet instead. You can still chop down trees and some brush, and it is a lot smaller and easier to conceal, and takes less effort to sharpen. You can also use the back of it as a hammer to put in tent pegs and to bang things into trees, and if you keep it sharp it can do many chores that a knife can.

If you want self defense that is nice and easy look onto getting a handgun and a concealed carry permit.
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RobbyKills + machete = stealth camping?
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My ex-husband had a machete ... the thing was huge and weighed a TON! Definitely NOT something I'd want to carry on a bicycle.

Are you planning a trip to the jungles of South America or something?
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Real reason for carrying machete on tour:


There can be only one!
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Originally Posted by Erick L
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I don't mean to be a jerk, but a machete helped the walker Karl Busby on many occasions, be it hostile or as a tool.
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It's a free country. If he wants to carry a machete I think he should be able to. My dad had one. I think they're cool.
It's the kind of thing that if you had it you would know if it was useful or just dead weight. Only one way to find out.
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ted nugent and gary busey want to come along, too.
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Originally Posted by Robbykills
Seriously.

I'm going to do this because I'm going to be stealth camping a lot and want to use it to clear brush but also I figure it is a good way to deter any one who might try to mess with me (Don't worry, I'm not going to hack and slash and ask questions later) but I'm a little worried as I've been hassled plenty of times biking around here. I don't expect to ever have to use it but I'll feel safe knowing it's there just in case. Plus I figure a good thwack of it in its sheath and from the side on the nose will be enough to deter most dogs.

So what's the legality of this? I figure its from a local big box store and I'm obviously camping and "subjecting myself to the wilderness"


haha I just realized this looks great in tandem with my username.....

A keltec P3AT weighs only 8.3 oz. and it would be a lot more effective against threats. Although I'm not sure I buy your story about how you're being constantly hassled as you hack through dense vegitation.
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