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Old 05-22-08, 07:49 PM   #1
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Which wheel?

I was hoping to get away with a new 36 spoke wheel (like a Mavic 719 with an XT hub), but I spoke briefly with Peter White, and he first recommended a 48h Phil Wood hub wheel. I choked up when I heard the price, and he said I could save $100 by going to the White Industries 40h hub. He didn't think a 36 spoke wheel was a good choice considering the # of spokes I've already busted. Then again, he said he was never impressed with Cannondale's wheel building. (Current wheel is the stock Mavic 519 with a Coda hub)

I'm a big guy, 6'4" and 230, and then add on 40lbs of gear and you've got 270 pounds on my T2000. Love everything about the bike except the number of spokes I've busted (every summer).

What do I lose going from the Phil Wood to the White Industries (besides 8 spokes )? Do you agree the XT/Mavic 719 probably isn't the right choice

Thanks for sharing the wisdom!
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Old 05-22-08, 09:26 PM   #2
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I'm about the same weight as you, only shorter.

I bought a Shimano tandem hub with 48 spokes on my rear dropout (I spread a Surly LHT to 145mm from original 135mm; was easy to spread and align) to make it fit. I bought the tandem wheel set (48 spokes front/rear, Sun Rhyno-lite rims) for about $230 off ebay. I had to replace the spoke nipples so in the process I tightened all the spokes and checked alignment. I can recommend this hub (Shimano HF08 series, not the HF05 series). Peter White also builds tandem wheels with the Shimno hub and it is much cheaper than the Phil hubs.

One benefit of the Phi Woods is that you can get 48 spokes with 135mm spacing so you don't have to spread your frame. If you choose between Phil and White, I would spend the extra $100 for the Phil.

Having written all that, I do believe 36 spokes is sufficient for our weight class if the wheel is built correctly (aligned and tensioned) and you are not riding hard on them (hitting every pot hole you see, jumping logs every opportunity; instead, do regular road riding). Still, I do like having 48 spokes.

I think you could build the wheels yourself using the various internet guides available - it's not difficult. Buy the parts and go for it.
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Old 05-22-08, 09:45 PM   #3
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I switched to Phil Woods hubs after breaking three rims cycling across Canada in 1997. They've generally served me well including a ride across Russia last year. I've used Mavic and Sun rims with these hubs. In the trip last year, I had the mavic rim start to crack near Lake Baikal and replaced the entire wheel (rim+hub+spokes) with one brought in from the US. This replacement wheel also a Phil Woods hub. Somehow I had the paws break off and the entire hub stop working after ~4000 miles of Russia (1000 miles unpaved), ~2500 miles of China and ~500 miles of Thailand. Phil Woods replaced it under warranty after I returned back to the US.
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check this steal of a deal. if it works for your setup, could save you a bunch of scrilla.
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