stevage

I had something similar to this once, with a combination of cheap nasty panniers, and stuff loaded on the rack that was pushing against the clips, so that they could come off easily. Total damage in my case was one written off pannier clip, where it got mangled in the spokes.

I'll have to look into ordering some Ortlieb mounting hardware - didn't know you could do that.

Steve

Neil_B

georgiaboy

Tubus and Surly make racks with more attachment area at the bottom.

Here is a Surly rack. Notice the larger bottom area for mounting. Also, notice the two metal "catches" to hold the bottom hook or strap.

RCordone

I also have size 13 feet. The bags aren't the problem. The rack neil is using is causing the panniers to sit too close to his heels. The afore mentioned Tubus, or Old Man Mountain, even Nashbar make racks which are longer and allow you to hook the panniers 2-4" farther back.

PS: use a toe strap to secure the panniers' carry strap to the rack

Nigeyy

Yep that looks like a similar attachment system for my panniers -I'd recommend for future use to wrap each loop around your top rail, and then use a small bungee cord hooked to each loop (if that isn't secure enough use a compression strap) to maintain tension. A bit inconvenient when unloading at the end of the day, but does make your panniers incredibly secure -which is something I can live with.

Either that or new panniers with a more secure attachment system.

Edit: should mention this but should be common sense, clearly use a compression strap that does not leave an excess amount flapping around ready to be sucked into the wheels.

Nigeyy

For really cheap and nasty panniers (like the ones I have!) the problem is that often the bottom bit of elastic isn't that strong -and while it's nice to have those 2 catches, usually to make the most of the tension, I bring the hook down to the area between the chainstay and dropout. It's usually pretty secure on most frames and makes the most of what tension you might be able to get.

auto_run

New $40+ racks? No, for $5.00, I sell to you my paten't'd bike-bag-move-over device:

Tom Fritts

Certainly the attachments associated with Arkel and Ortlieb (and other manufacturers) equipment are great. The enhanced security of the Novarra (REI) panniers is an improvement over unencumbered hooks and elastic bungee hold downs. I have made an eccentric block similar to that seen on some Novarra bags that rotates up under the rack bar to prevent the hook from being able to be launched upward unless the block is rotated down. Its simply a block of wood or plastic that is screwed to the back of the pannier that is wide enough to not slide by the rack's bar if the bag tries to unhook itself. While it's not perfect, it certainly gives me confidence in an otherwise dubious attachment system (i.e that seen in most pannier designs). I realize a photo and hope this one come through. The wood block keeps the hook from bouncing upward and the metal merely serves to keep the wood upright to perform its duty. tom