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Old 06-26-08, 10:26 AM
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Tour journal for Pittsburgh - DC

I hope nobody minds my spamming a journal! It's the last tour Neil B and I will do together.

https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/shaken

Still in progress - 3 out of 10 days finished. I got sick of this hanging over my head and published it incomplete.

Writing about this tour is not easy. If I know that people are reading it it'll give me incentive to finish it.
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Neil,
Sorry to hear the band broke up -- but I can certainly understand the problems of finding a riding partner whose skills, strength and experience match your own. Since I'm at work I can't read your journal until tonight. I look forwward to it since it is a trip I would like to do next year myself.

Keep on touring even if you have to do it solo until you find a new partner.
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Originally Posted by Marylandnewbie
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Sorry to hear the band broke up -- but I can certainly understand the problems of finding a riding partner whose skills, strength and experience match your own.
NF's "experience" is about the same as mine. As for skills and strength, that's debatable at best. The decision to 'break up the band' was made in my mind more than a month before the tour.
 
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Originally Posted by neilfein
I hope nobody minds my spamming a journal! It's the last tour Neil B and I will do together.

https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/shaken

Still in progress - 3 out of 10 days finished. I got sick of this hanging over my head and published it incomplete.

Writing about this tour is not easy. If I know that people are reading it it'll give me incentive to finish it.
Gee, I can't wait to find out how it ends.
 
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Originally Posted by Marylandnewbie
Neil,
Sorry to hear the band broke up -- but I can certainly understand the problems of finding a riding partner whose skills, strength and experience match your own. Since I'm at work I can't read your journal until tonight. I look forwward to it since it is a trip I would like to do next year myself.

Keep on touring even if you have to do it solo until you find a new partner.
FWIW: In my experience other compatibility details are probably a way bigger deal than skills, strength, and experience. It is quite possible to happily ride with someone who has drastically different skills, strength, and experience.
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Originally Posted by staehpj1
FWIW: In my experience other compatibility details are probably a way bigger deal than skills, strength, and experience. It is quite possible to happily ride with someone who has drastically different skills, strength, and experience.
I've done it repeatedly, both with riders faster than me and with riders slower (yes, they do exist, folks.) This includes Neil F., BTW. He wasn't always at his current level.
 
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Originally Posted by The Historian
I've done it repeatedly, both with riders faster than me and with riders slower (yes, they do exist, folks.) This includes Neil F., BTW. He wasn't always at his current level.
No, I wasn't, thanks in part to you.
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For what it's worth, I'm interested in reading the rest of your journal, both because I'd like to ride the same route and to hear your point of view on the events that went down; between this and the other forum, one side of the story has emerged. It could be instructive to hear both, perhaps as a cautionary tale on what to think about when touring with a partner. I'm planning to do it with a significant other who, while I am not by any means even moderately fast, often runs a considerably slower pace than I do. Do you think a relationship like that would have changed your riding or how everything went down?
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Originally Posted by inunnguaq
For what it's worth, I'm interested in reading the rest of your journal, both because I'd like to ride the same route and to hear your point of view on the events that went down; between this and the other forum, one side of the story has emerged. It could be instructive to hear both, perhaps as a cautionary tale on what to think about when touring with a partner. I'm planning to do it with a significant other who, while I am not by any means even moderately fast, often runs a considerably slower pace than I do. Do you think a relationship like that would have changed your riding or how everything went down?
I'm not aware any 'side' of a story has emerged. It's certainly not emerging from the OP's CrazyGuy journal, which already rivals Tom Sawyer's fence-painting for quantities of whitewash.

But since you, and at least one other poster to this thread, are fixated on differences in riding speed and any possible problems it caused, let me assure you I had no difficulties with the OP riding ahead of me, and prior to going out to begin the tour even suggested we not ride together at all. Also, the OP approved of all the tour arrangements ahead of time, including the 25-30 mile distance on the first day. (Indeed, the start in downtown Pittsburgh was his idea - I'd researched things and most folks agreed the roads were awful.) I'll let you folks consider why the OP is complaining about my 10 MPH speed with an overloaded trailer on a day with only 30 miles of riding. And on a TOUR yet!
 
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Originally Posted by inunnguaq
For what it's worth, I'm interested in reading the rest of your journal, both because I'd like to ride the same route and to hear your point of view on the events that went down; between this and the other forum, one side of the story has emerged. It could be instructive to hear both, perhaps as a cautionary tale on what to think about when touring with a partner. I'm planning to do it with a significant other who, while I am not by any means even moderately fast, often runs a considerably slower pace than I do. Do you think a relationship like that would have changed your riding or how everything went down?
Any riding relationship between friends is going to be far removed from the pitfalls and rewards or riding with a partner.

You raise a good question, and I only wish I had that problem. It sounds like a touring-with-the-family thread is in order. It can be done; I met a couple that rode multiple tandem tours with their two kids and a dog.

Has anyone spent any time in the Recreational & Family forum? I'm thinking they might have insight into this question as well.
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Hey I read your beginning of a trip report and I left a comment (at CGOB) urging you to keep at it.

I think there's a lot of first-timers considering a Pgh-DC trip, and it's great for them to read a story about other first timers, including the foibles and d'oh moments, because then they'll see that regular people can do this, that mistakes are not generally fatal, and they'll learn from your anecdotes.

I hope you finish the trip report.
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From my many years (30+) of touring on motorcycles, riding multiple days with others is very difficult. Beyond speed, you have what time in the morning to start, how later in the day you are going to ride, when to stop (during the day), and for how long, additional unplanned stops, stopping for pictures, stopping for bathroom breaks, where do you like to stop to eat, yadda, yadda. In our case, we ended up meeting at the preplanned destination, or riding by ourselves. Its no ones fault, its just minor differences you may see on a day ride get magnified many times over by day two, day three, and so on.
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....Or when one allows such incidents to continue bothering them.

It's all in how you decide to handle things. Take it negatively and respond on the defensive or take it as a learning experience - there are many other alternatives on how to handle situations that make things uncomfortable.
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....Or when one allows such incidents to continue bothering them.

It's all in how you decide to handle things. Take it negatively and respond on the defensive or take it as a learning experience - there are many other alternatives on how to handle situations that make things uncomfortable.
I quite agree. Mentioning that such things happen doesn't mean such things bother one, however.
 
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Bump. Boston to Connelsville, first night camping, and pizza.
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Bumpety bump. On to Ohiopyle, stops at Fallingwater and a post office, and we meet the esteemed jagraham.
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Originally Posted by The Historian
Then don't read the post, or the Crazyguy journal. Problem solved. See how easy that was?

It's kind of like watching the aftermath of an auto accident. You want to look away but you can't.

In all seriousness, I was going to keep my nose out of it but since this has been going on for a while, I thought I would give some advice for others who might just be getting started in touring with friends. I would not want this thread to discourage anyone from getting started in touring with a friend or two.


I have been doing these non S.O. multi person trips (mostly sailing trips). I have always thought that it is best not to write your personal thoughts about others down. It is best to keep such thoughts to yourself. But saying this, I do not blame The Historian for giving his account of the record.

You need to know there will always be differences of opinion, style, abilities, tastes etc. With every good there is always some bad. There will always be something that will drive you crazy about another. If it is petty and does you no real harm it is best to just ignore it because you can bet your boots that you are doing something that drives the other person crazy (except for me because anyone that has met will will tell you I am perfect ) .

You are going to have argument on just about anything but it's important that they be resolved before the end of the day or else it just festers. If you simply can't stand living with the differences then it is probably best to not tour together. Just remember, your not married to the person, you will go your separate ways when the trip is over. Most times it is well worth putting up with someone's differences to be able to share the experience with a friend.


Just my 2 cents from almost 20 years of putting together similar trips.

Oh and before you commit to a year long or even week long tour, it is probably best you do a weekend with he person. Even if it is someone you have known your whole life, people can really change when they are living in such close proximity. At least on tour you have the option of going your separate ways. I have always told people on my sailing trips, before the trip, that they need to be able to put up with the differences of others because the furthest away you can get from some one on a 40 foot boat is 40 feet.

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Oh and before you commit to a year long or even week long tour, it is probably best you do a weekend with the person. Even if it is someone you have known your whole life, people can really change when they are living in such close proximity. At least on tour you have the option of going your separate ways. I have always told people on my sailing trips, before the trip, that they need to be able to put up with the differences of others because the furthest away you can get from some one on a 40 foot boat is 40 feet.
Again good advice. I had done just such a weekend tour, and it turned out to be difficult.
 
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Originally Posted by The Historian
Again good advice. I had done just such a weekend tour, and it turned out to be difficult.
I have always found the weekend trips to be a good weather bell. If the relationship is strained on a weekend trip then it is not going to get any better on a week long trip.

I have broken my rule on weekend trips first before and have regretted it. Then again, I have broken the rule and things worked out just fine. Sometimes the weekend thing just does not work out in the planning.
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Looks like it is working to me.
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